Another piece of evidence we're in 1936 Germany

[Doctor_J]

The Tribune, CHicago's Rw daily, has on the front page of the opinion sectin today the results of a 1st amendment poll. 1000 yound people were questioned. One of the sub-headlines says that the question was asked "Should newspapers be allowed to print what they want without the govenment interfering"? Only 51% said yes. So ~49% think we should get our news from the government.

We are, truly, doomed. The nation of Jefferson & Franklin is dead and gone. If you want a preview of the next 30 years here, read "The Rise & Fall Of The 3rd Reich"

[ck4829]

1. Why don't a lot of Americans want Democracy?

Democracy is dying, People. Wake up!

[jmcgowanjm]

8. Asimov-you are from the provinces

I've been sent here for no other purpose than to assure
you that you need not fear.

Q...In other words, they cannot prevent the destruction of Trantor
no matter what they do.

A. you are unfortunately correct.

A... I do not say that we can prevent the fall. But it
is not too late to shorten the interregnum which
will follow.

Foundation Trilogy

[Doctor_J]

26. I wonder if the Soviet populace enjoyed reading Pravda

That is the crux for me. Reading "They Thought They Were Free" is enlightening to the extent that the German citizenry was quite content being under the thumb of Hitler, up until the bombs started dropping on Berlin. I wonder of the people in the USSR who got all of their "news" through the Kremlin's filter were happy that way.

[undergroundpanther]

2. christian

nazi vampires, have an effect I guess..
Goddammit I thought I'd never see so many stupid fucking authority butt sucking teens tombstone thier own freedom.
Still being brought up by so many stupid shallow authoriarian parents.

[TheFarseer]

3. Absolutely shockimg

that's the kind of freedom we have fought for and should continue to fight for - not George Bush's freedom. I have never quite figured out what freedom he is talking about when he is saying the soldiers are fighting for our freedom. Freedom from fear of terrorism?? Conservative people want the government to stay out of their lives, but they want the government to determine what news they see, what's on TV and radio and movies, and where you can protest, who can get married, what a woman can do with her body. The contradiction is amazing.

[Cleita]

32. The only freedom this rogue regime is interested in, is freeing

90% of Americans from their money and their draft age children.

[Mr_Spock]

4. Now do people understand why * and his supporters hate America?

At this rate, we'll all be fighting each other - just like AlCaeda wants us to. Bush has let the terrorists win! We're fucking doomed if this trend continues. I'm going to need to buy more weapons today :(

[Wright Patman]

7. Al Qaeda or 'AlCaeda'

is an invention of U.S. intelligence agencies. Its mouthpieces such as bin Laden are brought out periodically to make propaganda videos to give the warmongers a pretext for the next natural resources war.

[Mr_Spock]

10. Imagined enemy or not, the purpose is to set us into "end-times" conflict

...and I'm enraged about it.

[TrustingDog]

27. Mr_Spock... plse read this.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=3306612&mesg_id=3306678

post 2.

ya think they'll be able to check one more thing off their list for journey's end?

[Mr_Spock]

28. LOL - thanks for raising my paranoia lever to alert level 3

lol - when will it all end? :D

[femme.democratique]

5. They're more concerned about non-issues like Terri Schiavo and...

Americans are lazy, easily manipulated, intellecutally incurious and easily controlled. We've been primed for decades by the American (mis)educational system for just this purpose: the implementation of Fascism.

[iamjoy]

6. Wonder If They'd Feel The Same...

To any Conswervative thinking the government should approve news stories: how do you think they would have felt if the Clinton administration had supressed any mention of the Monica Lewinsky affair?

Oh, but that's different.
Yeah, sure, Clinton was a Democrat.

[kaitykaity]

9. I'd say 1940.

After the flush of "victory" has worn off, but before
the great powers (i.e., the US) entered the fray.

This time the weapon against us will be economic.
When the Asian banks start flooding the currency exchanges
with dollars, our money will be worth about as much
as the mark was right after WW-I.

Then you get a whole bunch of countries going to the
euro instead of the petrodollar and watch out. The house
of cards will all come crashing down.

[Doctor_J]

24. And we haven't even had a victory

Schicklegruber annexed Poland, Austria, and CZ successfully. Our attempted colonization of Iraq (or whatever it is - warning shot to the rest of the ME, whatever) has been a disaster. It's broken the bank, strengthened the opposition, and united the people of the world against the US.

[kaitykaity]

30. That's why I put "victory" in quotation marks.

Austria and CZ were done politically I'll grant
you, but Poland was aggression, and done successfully
in 1939/1940, along with France.

I was putting us in that window of time of between
when the aggression began and the world finally
stepped up said "no, this will not stand."

[Doctor_J]

34. I'm wondering if the world will just

let us collapse from the expense of and internal strife caused by George's folly. Rather than bomb us, they may be shrewd enough to just let this go on for another couple years, and then just buy us.

[kaitykaity]

35. They can't let it collapse completely.

You know how many bugs and weapons and shit we've
got? Put ebola and those mfers out there for sale
to the highest bidder? I don't think so.

That's why I said the takedown is going to be economic.
Once the dollar collapses from the glut on the market
from the Asian banks, and then nobody wanting dollars
them b/c they don't need 'em to buy oil anymore, then
George's goose is gonna be right cooked.

/sarcasm on.
Hey, how about some debt forgiveness and a Marshall
plan for us? Lol.

[katinmn]

11. That tells me we can't leave it to the 49% who want to be told

how to think.

We have to take our country back, NOW.

Strike, anyone?

[gordianot]

15. They are going to have to get hungry first.

Empty gas pumps, little food on the shelves, a relative who is outspoken thrown in the slammer, rolling blackouts, Grandma loses her Social Security and Medicare, and the ultimate lost jobs, before even the 51% who are told how to think get pissed off.

I am not so sure that 49% really supported or voted for Bush so we may represent higher numbers. Of the relatives who voted for ** I have made it very clear what their status with me is and what it will be in the coming dollar meltdown and shit storm.

[bush_is_wacko]

12. Just goes to show you how much PROPAGANDA has affected our youth!

Sadly, there are a whole lot of kids out there whose parents haven't even bothered to talk to them about how easily a government can create an "alternate reality" by what they allow to be read, seen, and heard.

Any parent that wants to see a good movie with their kids AND have the opportunity to talk to them about OUR current alternate reality ought to take them to see "Robots." The message is all there, in innuendo, but my entire family was up till midnight last night talking about it.

My kids aren't "little" anymore but they still like kids movies. I have a preteen and a teenager. They loved the movie!

[Doctor_J]

25. Yup, Limpballs has become part of the culture

Every kid who's 18 or younger has had his/her entire view of the world polluted my the fascist media machine in this country. I feel like Mrs. TOJ and I accomplished something of a miracle raising two thinking liberals (they're 18 and 21) in the age of GOP media brainwashing.

[whitedove]

13. Are they handing out Cool-aid in school?

Before the election my 7 year old grandson said that he was voting for Bush in his classroom election. I asked him why, he said that his face was nicer... :wtf:
I set him straight, but, what kind of propaganda is being taught to these kids?

I want our country back!!!!!

Peace,
Whitedove

[blogbear]

16. Peace to You and Welcome!

[whitedove]

21. Thank you!

:hi: everyone for the nice welcome.

Peace,
Whitedove

[Discord]

18. Welcome to DU!!!

:wave:

[tnlefty]

20. Welcome Whitedove.

I've noticed a big shift in the past 4 years and I have 3 in school. Much more of a push away from critical thinking and being allowed to question or to present a different perspective. If it's not on the mandated tests, then sit down, don't ask questions, etc.

[BrotherBuzz]

36. Some schools aren't drinking kool-aid

My ten year old son's school voted for Kerry, overwhelmingly!!! There is hope.

Welcome to DU.

Oh, I want my country back, too. Come, we have work to do.

[rock]

14. The question is ambiguous. The poll is worthless.

Should the government require that they tell the truth? Should the government tell them what to print? Both of course would be government interferring.

[pelsar]

17. thanks rock

just a bit sanity is this insane asylum is welcome....sometimes i read the post (i.e. the ones above yours) and i wonder on what planet I'm on.....america is like germany in the 30s and 40s?.....sheesh sounds like some people just love to panic

[AzDar]

19. Bingo! Who trusts these "polls" anymore? The new formula: Ask an

obviously biased question, fix the results (52%-48% always works nicely), and proceed with objective...Why, the public gave you a "mandate" via the "poll", didn't it??

[Doctor_J]

22. Actually, the phrasing of this was pretty unambiguous

the question was,

"Should newpapers be allowed to print stories without the government's approval"? Only 51% said yes. That tells me that almost half of the students polled want the government to approve of every story that runs in every newspaper. Sorry, but this is frightening to me.

[WearyOne]

23. if it's a true poll it's very very scary

[Deja Q]

29. Sweet jesus. 49%... are they tired of corporate corruption?

Or do they know the corporations are the government nowadays?

[hfojvt]

31. What is new in Illinois?

http://www.state.il.us/hpa/lovejoy/bio.htm

"November 7, 1837. It finally seemed to be over. The last of the group who guarded the warehouse ran from a final volley of buckshot to the safety of the river. The victorious mob from Alton calmly entered the building, walked past the slain body of Elijah Lovejoy, and began the dismantling of his last printing press. Wordlessly and without celebration, they went about the duty of destroying the last of the abolitionist voice in Alton. Several men hoisted the press up to a third floor window and dropped it to the street below. The party on the street gathered up the fallen pieces of the press and dragged them to the steamboat landing along the Mississippi River where hammers were employed in smashing the press beyond recognition."

Did you say 1836 America?

[Cleita]

33. I have read "The Rise & Fall Of The Third Reich" three times

already in the last year and keep using it as a reference. It should be required reading in all high schools with a term paper required.

[Wilms]

37. .