Did Bush sell out Taiwan to get China's help in stopping N. Korea's nukes?

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http://www.canada.com/national/nationalpost/news/issuesideas/story.html?id=e8033911-c336-4be2-aede-426c5c8563ca

Selling out Taiwan: George Jonas on the growing crisis in the Strait of Taiwan

<snip>Relative to the shrill rhetoric before Mr. Chen's victory, Beijing's reaction to the 2000 election result was muted. To some observers, myself included, it seemed like the calm before the storm. Beijing ushered in the new millennium by increasing its military budget and going on a shopping spree for weapons. Even more ominously, retiring Chinese leader Jiang Zemin stopped by U.S. President George W. Bush's Texas ranch in October, 2002, just after North Korea admitted it had cheated on a 1994 agreement with the United States and was continuing to develop nuclear weapons.

At the time, I wrote that North Korea's nuclear program threatened grave consequences for Taiwan. It was a safe bet that during their Texas meeting Mr. Bush would ask Mr. Zemin to persuade "Dear Leader" Kim Jong-il to give up his nuclear program, which Mr. Zemin would promise -- for a price. The price would likely include a free hand in annexing Taiwan, or at least discouraging it from seeking independence.

Two and a half years later, the pieces are falling into place. Chances are Pyongyang's aggressive stance has emanated from Beijing all along. China is a puppet master pulling North Korea's strings. The Chinese leadership has orchestrated the nuclear crisis it's pretending to mediate.

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[amazona]

1. as * has done nada to stop North Korea's nukes

I'm not sure I understand the argument. Will come back and re-read with fresher head tomorrow.

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[Zuni]

2. I never thought of it that way

I think even China has only a very limited amount of influence in North korea. N. Korea are truly paranoid about everyone.

But China might have very well aided N. korea's nuclear ambitions so they could distract from their increasingly belligerent stance on Taiwan

[VelvetMonkeyWrench]

3. not to worry

I am not the least bit concerned about NK nukes, and if out govt officials could talk candidly, they'd probably say the same. But they can't because this is a game of high stakes poker.

There's a number of Ohio SSBN's in the pacific fleet that could turn the DPRK into a glowing moonscape in a matter of minutes.

The DPRK knows they are there.

The whole thing is a foreign aid extortion scam - bet on it. DPRK knows that ROK and the US have no intention what so ever of attacking them - we would then be responsibe for the refugees, and who the hell would want that massive responsibility?!?!

[kodi]

4. by being beholden to China over North Korea, the US reduces its options.

anyone who has dealt with the chinese knew this would happen and bush walked right into it thinking that the north korean penninsula was the only thing on the table. by allowing china, no by demandng china be a part of multilateral talks with north korea, the US has given china a bargining chip to cash in whenever it wants.

the chinese play a strategic game that lasts for the next quarter century while the americans, businessmen all think only of the next fiscal quarter.

the chinese will outlast us, then conquer us without a shot. they are using asymmetrical warfare on the US economy by using in essence a policy of state-mercantilism adam smith would be proud of to weaken its foes and pursue its national agendas.

BTW an article on chinese military strength and its relationship with threats to taiwan

http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:iy_M-ZFMvkUJ:www.duke.edu/~niou/teaching/FrisonScobell.pdf+%22chinese+military+strength%22&hl=en

[nolabels]

5. One word answer "YES"

BFEE has not met a dictatorial-totalitarian regime they didn't like yet.
That is on the stipulation the dictatorial-totalitarian regime was controllable with cash of course. Prime examples are Noriega and Saddam. As soon as the money aspect fell apart, they became immediate targets



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