Saddam's Capture: Just Another Bush Lie?

[Rhiannon12866]

The account of American troops capturing Saddam and pulling him from his subterranean hovel has turned out to be just another Bush lie.

By Mike Whitney

03/12/05 - Sergeant Nadim Abou Rabeh, who participated in the operation that netted Saddam, was quoted in the Saudi newspaper "Al-Medina" saying that the Iraqi leader was actually captured the day before and that "the public version of his capture was fabricated." The entire event was apparently choreographed by a Pentagon public relations team.

"I was among the 20 man unit who searched for Saddam for 3 days in the area of Dour near Tikrit, and we found him in a modest home in a small village and not in a hole as announced," Rabeh admitted. (UPI )

"Not in a hole"? You mean Saddam actually stood up and faced American Marines?

"WE CAPTURED HIM AFTER FIECE RESISTANCE DURING WHICH A MARINE OF SUDANESE ORGIN WAS KILLED," he said.

Uh, oh. This could be trouble. After all, the American version presented Saddam as trembling coward cringing in his spider-hole afraid to face the American warriors. Now, Rabeh is saying that he stood and fought "like a man". This is not the image that the Washington spin-meisters wanted to convey. They wanted to humiliate the deposed tyrant by showing him recoiling from the American ubermenschen. That way they could show the virtuousness of the invasion and bolster the importance of the White House chicken-hawks who follow the campaign from their bunkers on the Potomac.

Unfortunately, the entire story turned out to be bogus. Saddam may be a genocidal maniac, but anyone who knows the details of his personal history, knows he's no coward.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article8248.htm

According to this story, the account of Saddam's capture was orchestrated, just as the toppling of his statue was. This was a new one on me, but that doesn't mean I don't believe it. What next and what can we possibly believe, from now on, or in the past? I sent this article to a few friends, and they expressed the same doubts and frustration about what we can possibly trust.:shrug:

[no_hypocrisy]

1. Wouldn't these facts come out in testimony at Saddam's

theoretical and future trial? How long could this myth have been perpetuated?

[LynnTheDem]

4. The Saddam Statute Toppling Myth was filmed by world's journalists

They were THERE. FILMING the truth; that only US forces & Chalabi & Cartel were there in the Square; that the streets were empty & blocked off by US tanks; that it was a US tank that pulled the statute down.

Yet the USSA media showed LOOPED close-up film over & over & over, and demonized reporters such as Jennings who dared speak the TRUTH; that IN FACT the only people who "toppled Saddam's statute" were US forces and Chalabi & his goons.

How did they ever think such a total piece of utter bullshit could last, when reporters from all over the world WERE THERE and FILMING the truth???

Yet it took almost a year for most Americans to discover they'd been had and to this day a lot of rethugs still think the Statute myth is true.

[nostamj]

10. and yet, the media WHORES continue

to include that footage...

[BornLeft]

5. You still believe there's

going to be a trial? I thought it was a foregone conclusion he will be "suicided"

[Rhiannon12866]

12. And what will now happen since the judge, nephew of Chalabi,

Has fled the country, accused of murder, and seeking asylum in London? And you're right. Saddam would be the last man on earth to commit suicide, but the mainstream media would report it as fact and the American people would believe what they're told, like so much else that is untrue, hyped or just plain crazy. Remember, James Guckert is a "victim.":-(

[Rhiannon12866]

11. I would certainly think so, but who will believe the testimony of a

"madman?" One thing I noticed, during his long-ago day in court that they filmed, was that when he was told that he was accused of gassing the Kurds, he said that he'd read about this in the newspaper. Saddam is guilty of many things, but this is not one of them, and it drives me crazy that the media consistently continues to report this as truth. Saddam did not gas the Kurds, that was the Iranians, during the Iran-Iraq war, in, I believe, 1988, back when Saddam was considered an ally of Reagan and then Bush Sr. The incident was thoroughly investigated, and that was the conclusion, that it was an act of war, in which there was the ubiquitous "collateral damage.":-(

As for perpetuating the myth, the current Bush* administration seems to perpetuate any myth it wants, including the toppling of Saddam's statue, brought down by Americans and the crowd composed of mostly INC, including another former ally, Chalabi, who they flew in for the "festivities.":grr:

[subchicagogal]

2. I thought the Kurds actually captured him....

and that the US brokered some sort of deal with them to get Saddam? Sorry, don't recall all the details now, but I just remember when the Kurd story broke all over the world (except for the US), we went on a high terror alert right before xmas in 2003, so of course all news of Saddam left our MSM and it was "terror terror" 24 hours a day. Anyone else remember this?

[LynnTheDem]

3. Yes just another bush propaganda show of lies

WMD/911/al Qaeda
purple plastic people shredder
millions mass-graved
45 minutes to WMD launch
world supports bush
Jessica Lynch
Saddam statue toppling
Mission Accomplished
Pat Tillman
And We Got Him

Nice of the USSA media to finally sort of mention it;

We got him: Kurds say they caught Saddam Dec 22, 2003
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/12/21/1071941612613.html?oneclick=true

Saddam was captured by Kurds, not US
http://sify.com/news/fullstory.php?id=13341763

Saddam Hussein was captured by Kurds;

London, December 21
Ousted Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein was captured by Kurdish forces, then drugged and handed over to the American forces as a revenge against the rape of a tribal chief’s daughter by the tyrant’s psychopathic eldest son Uday, a media report said today.
http://www.tribuneindia.com/2003/20031222/world.htm#1

[Me.]

7. There Are Days When I Wonder

if I will get up one morning and find there is no conversation because the lying liars have finally been put in jail and without lies the MSM won't know what to say/print and we will be left without anything to discuss.

[LynnTheDem]

8. Hmmmm...'Silence is GOLDEN'? Sure would beat the shrieking

screeching crap we have now.

[Rhiannon12866]

14. Thanks for all these great links.

Yes, this is just another story perpetrated by Bush* and the MSM, but it's now part of history, and it will take future generations much longer to straighten out this perpetual web of lies than it took to revisit the Warren Commission.:shrug:

[wmills551]

16. WMD

Why didn't Bush ever plant fake WMD for troops to find?

[LynnTheDem]

17. Because he would have been caught.

And because even the bushbots would have screamed for impeachment then.

[NMDemDist2]

9. i remeber that story about the Kurds too n/t

[Rhiannon12866]

15. I posted the story I had in reply #13.

You both are right. I had forgotten this wrinkle in the long, sad tale of the U.S. and Saddam.:-(

[Rhiannon12866]

13. You're totally right. And it WAS in December 2003.

Here's the story.

Saddam was held by Kurdish forces, drugged and left for US troops
http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/afp_world/view/62977/1/.html

The story that I referred to was that of Saddam accused of gassing the Kurds, which did take place, but that was during the Iran-Iraq war, and this was done by the Iranians, as an act of war. But the MSM media continues to blame this on Saddam, and he's accused of this as part of his war crimes. Saddam is guilty of many things, but this wasn't one of them. As for war crimes, I'm waiting to see Bush*, Cheney ans Wolfowitz try to defend their ignominious actions in a world court.:grr:

[Rhiannon12866]

20. From what I heard, it was the Kurds, no friends to Saddam,

Who left him to the Americans. Why this didn't play in the MSM is a total news cover-up.

The story:
http://www.sundayherald.com/38816

[Deja Q]

6. I recall that a couple of Iraqis found Saddam and called in our troops.

There were even pictures of the hole...

Could it have been fabrication?

And, if so, does it even matter by this point? So much has happened that this revelation, if true, will just be another non-momentous monent.

It's about the past anyway and the M$M-fed folks won't care.

I don't think it will be trouble, one way or the other. I think enough's happened already to damage US credibility.

It would make sense. Saddam was a tyrant and probably did not win a fair election to get into power.

On the other hand, the worst bullies are often the biggest cowards.

For me? The story may or may not be true. But it doesn't matter if the story was a fabrication, the US likely lost so much respect thanks to Abu-Gharib, nevermind Bush and his gang's original harpings on to get his war in Iraq that turned out to be non-truths, that the US can't possibly be taken truly seriously by the world anymore. Oh, the world's leaders might give him lip service and a facade of loyalty, but I don't believe that any true loyalty or assistance will be absolute. Not anymore, or at least not unless a situation develops of which the US can prove itself utterly. The US isn't beyond redemtpion, even with Bush in charge. It depends on what happens next.

[grumpy old fart]

18. That's just it....Chimp cabal lies about things that don't even matter....

it's just such a habit.

[tom_paine]

19. The Soviet's Dilemma: there is NOTHING to trust anymore

Not even samizdat, since the Busheviks outdid their spirtual fellow-authoritarians, the Bolsheviks by making sure they staked out their own "Communist Samizdat" to poison even that wellspring of free information.

Sad, but trusting sources is for the Citizens of the Free World NOT the Subjects of Imperial Amerika.