Bankruptcy bill just passed

[AlCzervik]

just a heads up, it's all over now.

[Bluebear]

1. 74-25

<?> Democrats joined all the Republicans in voting for it.

SHAME!

[arcos]

4. 10 Democrats or 20 Democrats? nt

[punpirate]

5. Math doesn't add up...

... if the vote was 74-25, and there are 55 `pugs in the Senate, then at least 19 Dems voted for it.... *sigh*

[Bluebear]

8. That's the CSPAN header, you are right their math is off

I am anxiously waiting to see a publication of the votes.

[nadinbrzezinski]

2. no it is just the begining

wrap your head arond this....

What happens when all those people who own guns and voted for george, suddenly realize that they have been screwed?

Anger will come

What happens when they have absolutely NOTHING left to loose?

I keep telling people this is setting teh conditions for a revolution, for this will make muricans hungry and desperate enough....

[rodeodance]

7. you are right--but these changes are slow and indidious--barely noticable

until one hits you in your face. that is the danger of Bush.

[Anakin Skywalker]

10. But Will They Even Come to That Realization?

They were stupid enough to vote him in twice. Sorry if I sound too pessimistic. Not many Americans have the survival instinct anymore. It's all about moruls these days.

[nadinbrzezinski]

17. Ok the misery index is kind of a social law

once it reaches 70% you will have riots... (it is about 62% right now), once it reaches 90+, you have revolutions

These pukes (and the demos who voted with them) just planted the seeds of their own destruction and as usual it will take the darn liberals to rescue them... AGAIN

1900 Harding
1028 Hoover

Think of THEIR policies

1950s to a point Ike, one reason for the riots in the 1960s is that the war on povrty to counter this was not fast enough to counter the effects of the "family values era of the 1950s)

There is this chance that some day we will not be able to.... and then you will have a nasty HOT civil war, or a revolution

edited for date

[wadestock]

33. You are over dramatizing the political will of gun owners.....

Those who believe that they have something to gain by owning guns for the sake of self-preservation....aren't going to bat one eye in terms of what's going on in the real world....in fact...most of them want to be removed from the real world.

Most gun owners (like my dad and plenty other responsible gun owners) have no political will at all regarding guns. There are some heavy duty manipulative politics being exploited by the PUKES, USING gun owners for their benefit....but the actual gun owners are removed from constructive politics and the REAL world as one can get.

FACT - ANYONE WHO VOTES UNDER THE DELUSION THAT THEIR VOTE HAS SOMETHING TO DO WITH PRESERVING THEIR RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS IS LIVING UNDER A ROCK.

Conclusion

There is no political will behind gun owners. The pukes have simply figured out that they can be politically manipulated by scarying them with "liberals want to take away your guns".

The issue of gun ownership, like abortion, is a wonderful NON ISSUE that has been created by the PUKES to distract us from what is really going on.

[FreedomAngel82]

37. Not all gun owners are that way

My grandfather owns a shot gun and a little one (whatever they're called) but he hardly uses them anymore. When he was younger he'd go hunting and stuff. He and my grandmother were angry at Bush and, in my grandmother's words, said "we have to kick Bush out." They're as Christian and republican as you can get (my grandfather is an Elder at his church and used to teach a Sunday school class). I was rather surprised personally. My grandfather was also in the navy when he was younger. I don't think he ever saw combat though. :shrug: I've heard his stories of being on the ship and seen pictures but never war stories.

[wadestock]

46. WHAT?

They aren't WHAT way?

You've basically made my point.
Owning a gun is a very basic right that the democrats have not messed with.

It is only because of it being exploited as an issue by the PUKES that anyone has their underwear in a knot.

Your dad, like mine...and millions of others....has NO freekin political will to change politics because of ANYTHING to do with gun ownership.

That was my point...and I think you concur.

[AutumnMist]

3. I Just Have To Say

Holy. Shit. That is all......over and out. :) LOL.

[gollygee]

6. This reminds me of a conversation I had with a freeper relative recently

Him: "We are having a really tough time. We might have to declare bankruptcy."
Me: "There's about to be a law that will keep you from being able to declare bankruptcy"
Him: "You mean people won't be able to declare bankruptcy if they can't pay their bills?"
Me: "That's right. Bankruptcy will be for businesses, not for people."
Him: "That's a good law. People need to be more responsible with their finances."

He didn't just vote for them, he actively campaigned for them, so he deserves what he gets.

[rodeodance]

9. this bill passed under the mantra of 'personal responsibility"

[Emboldened Chimp]

21. Personal Responsibility is a euphemism for Bend Over and Take It

[Ilsa]

14. Maybe the bankers will come to his house and draw his blood

and sell it for him. I wonder if that's okay

[mcscajun]

25. Sheesh! That guy may just be suffering from the LARGEST case

of "cognitive dissonance" in your entire State.

[FreedomAngel82]

38. Are you serious?

He's a moron! He just said he had to file for bankruptcy and then he flipflopped and said it was a good law?! :wtf:

[Lone_Star_Dem]

11. The way the votes came out surprised me.

I saw that Lieberman voted no and Reid voted yes. :wtf:

[saracat]

18. Where is the list?

[Lone_Star_Dem]

23. No list yet.

I was watching the play by play in GDP

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1652306

[walldude]

12. I'm so suprised...

:eyes: :puke:

[CountAllVotes]

13. shame shame shame on you Democrats!

and I'm beginning to believe what I just read:

TIME FOR ANOTHER TEA PARTY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:grr:

Thanks for nothing Democrats!

:kick:

[gizmo1979]

15. We lose again

I'm sick of losing.

[Stephanie]

22. We are consistently sold out by our own side

It's happened since Selection 2000. Our guys won't stand up for us. New blood has to step in. We need a revolution in the Democratic Party. Howard Dean is a great start. Now we need some new candidates.

[FreedomAngel82]

39. I feel

like the wife always being abused by the husband or the little kid in school always getting beaten up by the loud-mouth bully. *sigh*

[Greylyn58]

16. I will be watching to see

how much the crime rate increases over the coming months as this bill takes effect. With the state of the country now, it will be just a matter of time. When you can't find a job, can't buy food, can't pay your bills...it will happen. Not looking forward to it.

When people get hungry enough, or tired enough, or angry enough...we might start to see some changes. But truthfully I'm not gonna hold my breath on it.

:shrug:

[nadinbrzezinski]

19. Oh it will, bet on it

the misery index will just go up by four to six points almost overnight

[FreedomAngel82]

40. I hope

Bush and company have good body guards around him 24/7. When people realize what's happened you all are right. Hmm, I'll have to tell my Dad about this bill. Heh heh. He *blech* voted for W.

[Deja Q]

44. That's why they're building more prisons.

:-(

[hunter]

20. What a bunch of dumb fucks...

Our economy is screaming down the grade at 120 mph without any brakes and they decide they can stop it by building a concrete barrier across the highway.

It's time to ask some very old people how they survived the Great Depression.

[FreedomAngel82]

41. Good idea

Where's that older man who was at the democratic SS meeting thing? He lived through it.

[BlueInRed]

24. Can someone confirm that Harry Reid defected on the final vote

This was posted on another thread. I can't believe he'd do that.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

26. It's what I read in GDP.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1652306

I'm still in shock over it. I can't find a list yet, it might be wrong.

[BlueInRed]

27. thanks n/t :(

[bush_is_wacko]

28. You all realize that the Dem's tried to get this passed during the

Clinton administration right? I heard Reid, I think, say that that bill had gone round several times during the Clinton years and the PUKES voted it down. Now that the PUKES are in charge the Dem's played the good guys, trying to amend it and the PUKES voted all their amendments down! I get the feeling the Dem's that voted for this were told they would only get their amendments if they passed the bill, but why were they trying to get it passed 8 years ago?

I do think there needs to be some reform on bankruptcy laws, but the reform needs to made for all these bigwigs who plan for a regular 5-10 year bankruptcy after going on a giant spending spree. Donald Trump has filed for bankruptcy how many times?

BTW, I have a whole lot of neighbors who have worked real hard to make it look as if they are living the high life with their big houses and fancy cars and boats and other toys that are going to be pretty damn pissed off that their fearless leader let this pass once they figure out they are so overextended they have no choice but to try and file.

I am talking about a bunch of "keeping up with the Joneses" Evangelical Christian suburbanites! I believe bushitler just hit his "base" where it counts.

I sincerely wonder how long it will take them to figure it out!

[Lone_Star_Dem]

30. If I'm not mistaken it was because it held the Abortion Poison Pill then.

It said that anti-abortion protesters couldn't use bankruptcy to avoid paying fines or judgments for violence outside abortion clinics.

They knocked that down this time.

[bush_is_wacko]

31. Yeah, now I remember that. I thought it was still in there though

When did they do this? God what a crock our government is!

[Lone_Star_Dem]

36. It was submitted as originally written.

The abortion amendment was reintroduced and defeated 46-53 on the 8th.

[FreedomAngel82]

43. I'd give them a little while

Was it the same exact bill that tried to get passed in the Clinton administration? x(

[AlCzervik]

29. Those voting no

Murray (D-WA) Feinstein (D-CA)
Harkin (D-IA)
Kennedy (D-MA)
Kerry (D-MA)
Lautenberg (D-NJ)
Leahy (D-VT)
Levin (D-MI)
Lieberman (D-CT)
Mikulski (D-MD)

Obama (D-IL)
Reed (D-RI)
Rockefeller (D-WV)
Sarbanes (D-MD)
Schumer (D-NY)
Wyden (D-OR)
Akaka (D-HI)
Boxer (D-CA)
Cantwell (D-WA)
Corzine (D-NJ)
Dayton (D-MN)
Dodd (D-CT)
Dorgan (D-ND)
Durbin (D-IL)
Feingold (D-WI)

[natrat]

32. they should have to explain themselves

[VOX]

34. Thanks for posting this, chimpsrsmarter ...

I see that the list has many of the "old reliables" on it.

Interesting about Jomentum, though...:shrug:

[AlCzervik]

42. I wish it were good news to post instead.

i'm glad joe didn't vote for it as much as i think he's way too much on the side of the pubs it was good to see him vote for the people. I consider every yes vote on this bill to be a vote against the people.

[FreedomAngel82]

35. Good luck to you all

This is one reason why I'm glad to be a poor college kid living at home with no reason to have a credit card and all that other stuff. I wish you all luck and prayers.

[Toucano]

45. Can we assume this represents the true number of seats

we actually hold in the Senate?

Just 25?

What a shame.