Is Antonin Scalia a bad Catholic for supporting Child Death Sentences?

[Sandpiper]

During the campaign, we kept hearing from the right how Catholic Democrats who were pro-choice ought to be denied communion and how they were bad Catholics.


I'm waiting now for the outcry about what a terrible Catholic Antonin Scalia is, and how he should be denied communion for voting against ending death sentences for kids.

[DinahMoeHum]

1. Actually, he's more like a Mafioso. Good Catholic, bad Christian.

:evilfrown:

[DemBones DemBones]

7. You can't be a good Catholic and a bad Christian at the same time.

And, yes, I think he's a bad Catholic in some ways. I don't know about his private life but he supports some things publicly that go against most Catholic teaching.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

2. He should be excommunicated for that

Wasn't that what some American bishop threatened pro-choicers with?

[davidthegnome]

3. As a Catholic myself...

I will be the first to say that Scalia is a complete fucking moron. A bad Catholic? Yes, but more of a bad human being.

[Walt Starr]

4. OOPS!!! Scalia isn't following the set Catholic doctrine!

QUICK!!! Somebody petition his Bishop for excommunication!

[mitchtv]

5. excommunicate him!

send him to the inquisition. then exorcise him

[Zen]

6. Antonin - one of the new "death cult" Christian sects sweeping the country

They meet up like that congressman in the church in Texas who said we were gonna "nuke Syria" and the congregation roared with approval. Something sick is going on in this county and I'm not sure we can survive it. It's called fascism and it is pretty scary.

[meow2u3]

9. Opus Dei is actually a fascist death cult

masquerading as a movement withing the Catholic Church. OD was founded by a follower of Francisco Franco--Josemaria Escriva--and is literally fascist! Scalia is a member of that said cult.

[Zen]

32. I needed to know that

:eyes:

I know Scalia is evil after he heard his hunting partners (Cheney) case on the SCOTUS, but this is just too much.

[spanone]

8. Thou shalt not kill....there is no asterik.

I'll never understand the folks who consider themselves 'pro life' and are so commited to the death penalty. Go figure.

[blueknight]

10. i dont know about the catholic thing,

i just think hes a asshole in general

[Walt Starr]

12. Official Catholic Doctrine is opposed to the DP

So any Catholic who votes for pro-death penalty politicians risks excommunication.

shit can run two ways in Politics.

:D

[mutus_frutex]

34. The funny thing is that th RCC is not strictly opposed to the DP.

If you look at the Last edition of the Catechism it leaves open the possibility of execution when punishing the crime otherwise it would be impossible.

[meow2u3]

11. I agree

Either you're pro-life across the board--this includes opposing the death penalty, unjust war, and economic injustice--or you're anti-life.
Mr. Scalia, you are anti-life.

[leftchick]

13. As a Catholic myself he is the worst kind....

this kind...

[fertilizeonarbusto]

14. You bet your ass

That is one thing the Pope is consistent about, unlike Tony.

[Walt Starr]

15. HE' S BEING A CAFETERIA CATHOLIC!

EXCOMMUNICATE!!!
EXCOMMUNICATE!!!
EXCOMMUNICATE!!!
EXCOMMUNICATE!!!
EXCOMMUNICATE!!!
EXCOMMUNICATE!!!
EXCOMMUNICATE!!!
EXCOMMUNICATE!!!

HE'S A WITCH!!!!!

HE TURNED GINGRICH INTO A NEWT!!!!

EXCOMMUNICATE!!!
EXCOMMUNICATE!!!
EXCOMMUNICATE!!!

[Mandate My Ass]

16. A Catholic who said the pope was WRONG for opposing the DP

Yeah, only Tony is infallible.

"Mere factual innocence is no reason not to carry out a death sentence properly reached."

Blessed are the merciful.

[Walt Starr]

17. HERESY!!!! THE POPE IS THE INFALLIBLE MESSENGER OF GOD!!!!

EXCOMMUNICATE!!!
EXCOMMUNICATE!!!
EXCOMMUNICATE!!!
EXCOMMUNICATE!!!
EXCOMMUNICATE!!!

[Mandate My Ass]

18. He's an ACTIVIST pope!

[Fovea]

19. I personally think

that Opus Dei is the Catholic Embassy to the Temple of Set.
Some overlap in membership, virtually identical profiles.

If you made an affinity diagram of the two groups, I bet you would find significan interlock.

[NC_Nurse]

20. Temple of Set?

What, pray tell, is that?

[Walt Starr]

21. It's a Satanist organization

It broke off from the Church of Satan years ago.

[NC_Nurse]

25. Lovely!

There certainly are a lot of freaks out there, it's kinda scary. Especially when so many seem to be in power! Yeesh!

[Fovea]

31. I am not an impartial party

I encourage you to google it, as I myself am not objective.
Pay careful attention to links between its founder and PNAC.

[Zenlitened]

23. "... innocence is no reason not to carry out a death sentence ..."

Yeeeikes. Did he really say that? *shudder* :scared:

[NoPasaran]

22. I can't really speak to the "bad Catholic" question

Since I left the RC Church thirty years ago, but he's certainly a loathsome human being.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

24. As a Catholic, I think you make a very good point

and I have nominated this. He is a POS, and this adds mightily to his POSness.

[midnight armadillo]

26. I am paraphrasing Scalia here...

Scalia once claimed something to the effect that Christians have no need to fear the death penalty because they are saved and heaven awaits. If I were not at work I'd google the exact quote.


EDIT: Ok, here it is: For the believing Christian, death is no big deal. Intentionally killing an innocent person is a big deal, a grave sin which causes one to lose his soul, he said. For the non-believer, on the other hand, to deprive a man of his life is to end his existence what a horrible act. Contrary to Simon s statment that a great many people who are innocent have been executed, Scalia said, In my 15 years on the bench, I can only think of one case when I thought there was a little doubt as to the substantive guilt.

link: http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:D9icmHwFS-cJ:pewforum.org/press/index.php%3FReleaseID%3D11+scalia+death+penalty+christian&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

[Canuckistanian]

27. Ask him a question and see what the answer is

Should the state be involved in the death of children?

[Beer Snob-50]

28. i don't think god is a one issue judge.

i am sure he will look at scalia as to how he lived his life in total.

[Cuban_Liberal]

29. A double-- Scalia, Catholics and the death penalty, all in one post.

If PNAC could have fit in somehow, the O/P could've been a trifecta.

:eyes:

[AngryOldDem]

30. Short answer, yes.

But the death penalty is one of those issues that some "good" Catholics can tap-dance their way around and rationalize. From where this Catholic sits, its clear where the Church stands on the death penalty, and Scalia isn't in "communion" with the Church on this issue.

If you're going to make an issue over John Kerry's rational view of not imposing one's beliefs on another, then by all means make an over Scalia's indefensible opinion about juveniles and death penalty.

[Pepperbelly]

33. he's shit as a human being ... the pope will have to sort out the rest. nt