BREAKING: Clark will have some big time support!!!

[wndycty]

. . .I am on a conference call of Clark coordinators around the country as I type this and there are two Democratic United States Congressmen on the call as we speak singing General Clark's praises. I am going to wait until the call is over to say anything, but to me this is huge. I can guarantee that you have heard of at least one of them.

I am going to be careful because I want to make sure this is not a hoax. . .but this is huge! I hope you appreciate my caution because I don't want to have to retract if this is a hoax, but this is huge.

[Capn Sunshine]

1. Good. It will cinch his VP spot

:nuke:

[Democat]

3. Clark is not going to be VP

If he runs, he runs for President. :)

[Ediacara]

5. and loses in the primaries

and gets picked as a VP

[Pepperbelly]

10. I disagree ...

I think that Dean has peaked. He has his natural constituency and has secured the support of that base. I do not think he can or will expand much beyond that. I could be wrong, I could be right. Who can say? We're still a long way away from a single vote being cast and I am not foolish enough to make predictions based only upon what I want to happen.

If Clark enters the race, it becomes a 3 man race: Kerry, Clark, and Dean. I think the odds reflect the candidates, too. Roughly 1 in 3 for each.

[newsguyatl]

19. "dean has peaked"

can't you come up with a new line?


i have a new one for you: "dean is just getting started." ((trust me on this one))

[Pepperbelly]

26. It's not a line ...

I provided my reasoning, you provided a cheap shot. Second verse, same as the first.

[newsguyatl]

30. pardon me?

i provided a "cheap shot"?

where the HELL is there a cheap shot in there?


like i said, or asked, when will you get a new line? yours is getting old. fast.

[Pepperbelly]

37. I suppose that it is in the eye of the beholder ...

although your last post seemed even cheaper. But I suppose it is a matter of social group. The group with which I travel puts a high priority on personal respect and courtesy.

on edit: when I posted the original thought, I provide some rationale for the conclusion I had reached. Rather than engaging on my rationale, you asked if I couldn't come up with a new line. Do you not see how that is in no way even clashed with what I wrote? Rather, it was purely and only an oblique attack by implying that it was a "line" and was somehow shopworn. That is not discourse. That is engaging in unresponsive non sequiter. IOW, a cheap shot.

[newsguyatl]

43. get off your high horse

and the "clark yahoo group" doesn't count as a social group. that'd be a political group... ((i'd say a group where you've learned the talking points, ie "dean has peaked"))

[Pepperbelly]

50. I do not belong to any "Clark" groups and ...

your tone is insulting. I always despise being insulted by someone on the internet because internet insults are ultimately such cowardly things. Ensconced in safety in front of a monitor, tap-tap-tapping on the little keys, all safe and free from any consequence and saying things that most people do not say in normal intercourse precisely because they do not have the safety of the anonymity.

Rather than engaging in that and appearing as an internet blowhard and telephone tough guy with someone so ... new, I will consider putting you on ignore. Unless you begin adding something of value and stop posting so childishly, that is where you will end up.

[wndycty]

53. I belong to a Clark group, hell I lead the Illinois Clark group. . .

. . .but I have been a member of the DU much longer so newsguy don't go around accusing us of having been sent here by the Clark movement.

[Starpass]

59. I've been here from the beginning of the Democraticunderground

and I support Clark........but I always wondered were all those wild Greens went, all of a sudden, all together......hmmmmmmm

[ryharrin]

63. To Dean and Kucinich?

[Clark Can WIN]

56. Damn Pepperbelly

I didn't know you had high horses. You didn't tell me. Can I ride sometime? :yourock:

[Capn Sunshine]

6. Get back to me when he announces

until then, he's running for VP

[Ediacara]

2. how huge is it?

I've probably "heard of" over 200 dem congresspeople, so saying that I've heard of those two doesn't mean a lot....

[goobergunch]

4. I think Clark will have support if he runs...

I still have not yet received enough info to make an opinion about him.

[Nashyra]

9. Anyone I have directed to the Leadership for America

site has come away with an opinion of awe of Clark, after reading their statement of what they represent and then click to their founder. Makes Clark look very appealing as a Presidential candidate. Visions of a debate or a comparison of Clark and * resume is a recipe of what dreams are made of.

[JI7]

7. are they in the house or senate ?

give a small clue ? you say congressmen so i assume they are in the house, but want to be sure.

[Starpass]

8. If Clark decides to run,

I guarantee you there is a lot of support, money, etc. coming his way fast. Otherwise, he would not have waited. He would have either been in in the beginning to start raising money and getting his name out OR he would have outright said he isn't going to run. I think Clinton and the DNC have put a nice package together for him.

[Capn Sunshine]

11. IF and WHEN

WHEN?

[Nashyra]

12. It's been all over this board for days

before or on the 19th of September 2003 so there you have the when and last I checked that is before the convention.

[diplomats]

13. Next week

eom

[diplomats]

15. I read awhile ago that Daschle and Pelosi like Clark

eom

[Clark Can WIN]

14. You're killing me Windy....... killing me

What is going on? I can't imagine it would be a hoax. Damn this is great news.:dem::bounce: :toast: :bounce: :party: :kick: :loveya:

[wndycty]

16. Think New York and Arkansas

And they were US Reps. . .not senators

[wndycty]

17. One Black one White

:kick:

[wndycty]

18. One is a Korean War Vet and the other shares a name. . .

. . .with the former mayor of Washington DC. Thats it for now.

ON EDIT: I meant to say Korean War

[MidwestTransplant]

22. Rangel is the NY one

I bet.

[eleny]

29. yop!

Rangel and Clinton. Isn't the president considered the mayor of D.C.?

[wndycty]

33. There was no Senator on the call

:kick:

[blm]

32. He was a Korean War vet.

.

[wndycty]

34. A meant to say Korean war. . .ooops. . .

But I am still not confirming anything!

[TacticalPeek]

46. Aw mannnnn! I've been doing permutations on Nam vets and mayor names!

'Scool, tho.

Interesting, I thought I'd seen other rumors floating here of Rangel support; Kerry maybe?

Right.



U.S. Representative Marion Berry (D-AR, 1st)

[CMT]

57. Rangall would be a good endorsement for Clark

eom.

[diplomats]

38. And Marion Berry is the other

eom

[Kahuna]

55. I know who NY is, and it's a much bigger name than..

Major Owens. :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

[Pepperbelly]

21. I bet you a hundred bucks that ...

Tom Delay wasn't one of them.

[Jackhammer Jesus]

20. Larry King asked Walter Cronkite about Clark...

Cronkite said he expected Clark to join and have a large impact on the race.

Hey, sounds good to me!

:party:

[alcuno]

25. Welcome to DU, Jackhammer

I agree that Clark will have a large impact on the race; I'm not convinced as to how.

[Jackhammer Jesus]

28. Thanks, Alcuno! n/t

[eleny]

23. House and Senate?

If you're including the Senate then Hillary has to be one of them.

[wndycty]

27. House. . .

. . .they were from the House. I like the ways and means that they participated on the call.

[blm]

35. Then you better straighten out your hints.

Rangel is a Korean War vet.

[wndycty]

24. Oh and they are ready to line up their friends. . .

:kick:

[eleny]

31. oh, c'mon already

enoughn is enough

[wndycty]

39. I think I have made it pretty obvious. . .

What was the name of the former Mayor of Washington DC?

Who is a Korean War Vet.

One is Black, one is white.

One is from NY and other is from Arkansas

[eleny]

40. Hey!

It's been a long day and all I can say is - enough already.

[diplomats]

41. Yes, Rep. Marion Berry is the Arkansas rep

I said that earlier, but apparently no one noticed :)

[wndycty]

42. I will neither confirm or deny!!!

This is fun. . .I hope I have made it obvious.

[diplomats]

45. You did

your hints were very good.

[TacticalPeek]

36. A superdelegate or two would be nice.

I think many will soon hurry to hop this train.

[tjdee]

44. Rangel is a GREAT get, if this is legit.

One black, one white. Like the sound of that.

All I have to say is that the man better run for pete's sake.

[wndycty]

48. I will let Clark 2004 make the actual announcement

But I hope I gave very good hints.

[diplomats]

51. He is

and I agree about Rangel. I've always liked him a lot. So that means we're talking about a white Southern moderate and a black New York liberal backing Clark. Nice cross-section of the Democratic Party.

[Zero Gravitas]

47. I don't get it

whats the big deal about having two Representitives on this conference call? I'm sure there are more than a few congress people out there who would like to see Clark run. Unless these two are there as emissaries from Sen. Clinton & her husband its no big deal.

If thats's what are trying to get out just say it, otherwise this "i've got a secret" stuff is silly. Either you can say it or you can't, there's no in between.

[wndycty]

49. In time my friend, in time.

. . .I am sure it will come out in a day or two and when it does you heard it here first.

[diplomats]

52. I believe wyndy said this is just the tip of the iceberg

As I said, I think it's significant to have a white Southern moderate and a black Eastern liberal doing this. The point is, they represent a broad ideological cross-section of the Dem Party, not just that they are two of 435 reps.

[TacticalPeek]

66. Convergings of common interest and desire

for rescue, leadership and accountability.

Congress is almost as crucial as the White House for the renewal the country needs. Even people themselves are crucially important, witness the draft movement.

Clark can bring the Congress. Shrub can suffer the worst defeat in US history.

[wndycty]

67. I am getting more and more excited

:kick:

[Kahuna]

54. Thank you wndycty!

:yourock:

[MoonRiver]

58. I reiterate: WHEN WILL HE ANNOUNCE HIS CANDIDACY???

I love the guy. And, I firmly believe the majority of Americans, from all political persuasions, will joyously vote him into the White House. But he first has to officially become a Democratic candidate!

[Jackhammer Jesus]

60. Well, according to THE MAN HIMSELF...

At last check, he said he'd announce by the end of next week. He's got a speech on the 19th, and stated that it would be a "milestone" - but never guaranteed that he would announce on that day.

Let's just say it'll be some time next week and leave it at that? I'm fairly sure he'll hold to his promises - otherwise why should he bother running?!

[wndycty]

61. He will announce his decision . . .

. . .whether or not to run before 9/19.

[Clark Can WIN]

64. Latest word I have heard is

He will call a formal press confrence before the speech on the 19th.

[wndycty]

65. Yes I am predicting next Tuesday

:kick:

[wndycty]

62. The Congressmen also said. . .

. . .that they were really impressed with the one the Draft movement has come together.

[Donna Zen]

68. Thanks wndycty

The following link is to the TNR debate regarding Clark and Dean. It is a very reasoned set of posts which never reaches flame status; moreover, it provides some information that I found interesting and think some folks here will too:

snip.....

On Kosovo, you say that Clark didn't outplay Cohen badly enough. This may be true. But he sacrificed himself for the sake of stopping a genocidal maniac. I don't know about you, but I kinda like that in my politicians.

snip......

You say that the establishment can't rally around Clark, because it's already committed to other candidates. This simply isn't the case. For the last few months, legendary kingmaker Gerald McEntee, the head of AFSCME, has been flirting hard with Clark. There is a raft of Clintonites who haven't thrown their lot with any campaign, including the Man from Hope himself. (Bruce Lindsey has been spotted driving around Little Rock with a Draft Clark bumper sticker. What can we read into that?) I'm told that Hillary's finance chair Alan Patricof has been dying to raise bank for Clark. You say that all the good operatives have been sucked up by other campaigns. But everyday I run into highly regarded Democratic talents who are itching to move to Little Rock--Little Rock, I repeat--to toil for Clark.

my favorite snip....

By reputation, he is a highly anal planner. Trust me, he won't be winging this.

For Dr. Dean's supporters there is plenty of argument for his case as well in the set of posts.

http://www.tnr.com/doc.mhtml?i=debate&s=foerscheiber090203

[wndycty]

69. You are welcome

:kick:

[wndycty]

70. Kick

:kick:

[kwolf68]

71. Veep

Like Dean, we really dont know everything about Clark. Some general soundbytes and cliches sound fine, but when the rubber hits the road where will Clark stand.

When the heat gets really hot will have fight for the right principles.

Lets find out more about Clark. I fear Clark will draw support from people who project an image they want in a President. For Clark it would be the anti-thesis of Bush in the matters of military leadership and smarts. No doubt Clark is a brilliant man and a distinguished military leader and this attracks a lot of Dems to him because we aren't known as the party of people like Clark.

If he has most of the other views on tap he is intriguing, but I won't sign up until I hear more from him.