Holy Crap! Look what I found!

[johnaries]

After reading some other threads about the callboy scandals in the Reagan/Bush WH, I decided to do some research to see if I could find any connections to follow up on. I've just started, and look what I found on the second page I visited:
http://www.the7thfire.com/Politics%20and%20History/Pedophocracy/child_sexual_abuse_in_US.htm

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"Paul and Shirley Eberle wrote The Politics of Child Abuse, a book that accuses mothers, mental health professionals, and prosecutors of feeding children stories about sexual abuse...What is startling about the Eberles' reputation as ground-breaking experts in the field is that their dubious credentials have not been widely challenged …"

The Eberle family name comes up again. Any relation?

[theorist]

1. I'm almost sure that there's no relation.

These two are pornographers:
http://www.xs4all.nl/~sm4csi/nwo/MindControl/paul_and_shirley_eberle.htm

(If you trust this article, that is.)

[skids]

6. I've looked into it too and nothing yet.

Can't find any ties other than the last name. They were pornographers, but the article makes them sound maybe 25% worse than a more unbiased article here:

http://www.ipt-forensics.com/journal/volume7/j7_4_2.htm

They were kinda sleazy characters and some one-sided correspondence I saw from a reviewer that didn't like their book sounded like they were the type to really go after you if you criticised them. About the only thing fishy other than that which I turned up is a single forum post claiming that someone from L.A. using the name Shirley Eberle was trying to blackmail someone, and was also using the name of the president of an advertising firm. Whether that con artist existed at all, or was neither, one, the other, or both of the two aliases I have not been able to determine. Not that I've looked hard.

I don't want to release that second alias to the general public because what digging I have done has left me with more reason to think that the person that really owns that name was not Shirley Eberle than it does to promote that connection, and she probably wouldn't appreciate suddenly getting pulled into this. But if someone with advanced web research skills and some DU street creds wants to look into it I'll hand that over in a PM.

[Straight Shooter]

2. Boy oh boy, Bobby and Bruce had better hope they aren't related!

Since it was created in 1988, the National Center for the Prosecution of Child Abuse has played an important role in the effort to discredit child abuse heresy. NCPCA fired its opening shot at the Eberles with a smear article appearing in the premier issue (May, 1988) of Update, its nationally circulated newsletter. The article, "Whose Politics," implies that a hidden conflict of interest, namely the Eberles' past association with adult and child pornography, explains their harsh criticisms of child protection professionals:

The Eberles' vitriolic attack against criminal justice and child welfare professionals is more understandable when one examines the authors' background. Far from being impartial reporters, the Eberles have for years been active in the Los Angeles pornography subculture. Their other "journalistic" endeavors, the Center has learned, include the currently available soft-core tabloid, L.A. Star, and a hard-core tabloid, Finger, published in the mid-1970s.

Finger features extensive examples of child and adult pornography including explicit photographs and narratives of deviant sexual behavior such as sadism and masochism, bestiality, necrophilia and sexual activity involving urination and defecation. It also features photos and drawings of nude infants and children engaged in sodomy and sexual intercourse with other children and adults as well as lavishly detailed first-hand accounts of sexual experiences with children. On the cover of one of the seven issues reviewed are the Eberles themselves, naked and intertwined with life-size male and female inflatable dolls.

Patricia Toth, the director of the NCPCA, repeated similar allegations at least a hundred times (as of 1990) in lectures to child abuse professionals across the country.3 At a 1990 child abuse conference, Toth showed slides of Finger, including one article titled "Baby Fucking" and the cover photo of the Eberles noted above. Copies of Finger were made available to prosecutors and others interested in discrediting the Eberles and defense experts who cited their book in court.4 In December of 1990, other articles, such as "My First Rape, "She was Only Thirteen," and "Sexpot at Five" were mentioned in Ms. magazine and Random Lengths, a San Pedro bi-weekly newspaper. The alleged documentation was apparently supplied by San Bernardino deputy sheriff Toby Tyler, an acclaimed "expert" on pedophilia and child pornography.

Hold your nose and read this article. Ewwwwwwwww.
http://www.ipt-forensics.com/journal/volume7/j7_4_2.htm

[Spazito]

3. One has to wonder why the last name Eberle keeps

coming up in this story yet they are supposedly not connected at all, very, very strange, imo.

We have: Bobby Eberle, Bruce Eberle, now Paul and Shirley Eberle.

Is Eberle a very common name along the lines of Smith or Jones?

[julialnyc]

4. for some reason

the name Powell too (there are many Powell's in politics and not just Colin and son)

[theorist]

5. Eberle is a more common name than most think.

There is a connection between Bobby and Bruce, though, that's pretty well documented.

Please, guys, do not bring pornography (and especially accusations of child pornography) into this (unless you have absolute proof that a crime has been committed). It will only hurt our image to make these insinuations appear factual.

[Spazito]

7. At this point it is simply investigating the Eberle connection

to 'Gannon' and it stand to reason to raise questions when the name pops up in even a tangential way, imo. The best way to get to the truth of the matter is to investigate all potential leads and discard those which lead down a dead end.

No one is saying, at this point, they are factually connected but neither has it been disproven that they are not.

[johnaries]

8. Good point. I was hoping maybe someone could help find is there

were a connection.

It may have been irresponsible of me to post so quickly without more research on my own. I didn't realize Eberle was that common and when I saw it I may have gotten overly-excited.

I still think it some coincidence that there was a male prostitution scandal in Both Bush Admin's....

[theorist]

10. Money and power have strange effects on people.

I just don't want us to appear like a lynch mob, you know?

I think the DU forums (and the diaries on Kos) serve as a kind of press room, where we can bounce ideas off of each other. We just need to be careful about how we word things. "May be" is always better than "is" when you're not sure. (But that's probably obvious to anyone.)

edit: grammar :)

[frankly_fedup2]

12. You sound like a physician. Because that is exactly the

way any doctor words any diagnosis of a patient while he is dictating for the patient's record unless blood tests or x-rays show 100% evidence of an acute illness (which is rare). (I use to be a MT)

I still to this date have never heard a radiologists commit to any diagnosis. They will always say . . .

"Suggestive of . . . " Could be . . . "
"Strong possibility . . . "

They know how to cover their buttocks and I really cannot blame them.

[lawladyprof]

9. I'm pretty sure that they aren't related but a useful tool is genealogy

research, including the Mormon web site.

[frankly_fedup2]

11. What always amazes me in these so-called "investigative" . . .

articles is the fact that they can always tell you about how "profitable" all of this is, whether it be child pornography, war on drugs (laughable), sex trading, slave trading, just to name a few. I've always heard, "Follow the money," and obviously, they seem to have followed the money. This guy also states the "majority of child pornography produced worldwide is targeted at the U.S." Just read this paragraph I got from the article. How do they have all these statistics?

According to investigative author Gordon Thomas, the majority of child pornography produced worldwide is targeted at the U.S., where by the early 1990s it was already a $3 billion a year business, and growing. Thomas claims that - according to law enforcement figures - over 22 million copies of child pornography videos were sold or rented in the U.S. in 1991. He also writes that much of that pornographic material is produced domestically, where it is “part of the largest segment of movie making in the United States.” Jan Hollingsworth concurs with Thomas’ figures, describing child pornography as a “three-billion-dollar - per year - U.S. industry that grossed twice that worldwide. It bigger than Disney. Much bigger.”

With all this information, one would think they could get rid of it. So why can't they stop it?

[TrustingDog]

13. How can this be? What's wrong with us?

'Bigger than Disney. Much bigger'.

Who are the sick creeps and how many are there? I can't Believe this.... I'm tearing up here, what the Hell is wrong with us?