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kohodog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-16-05 03:19 AM
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The Media seems to have declared war on bloggers
All of a sudden bloggers are being called on the carpet for reporting what they should have been doing all along...their job. Gannon is a prime example, and now, rather than asking how he got access they are saying that bloggers are mean spirited, and attacking the blogs.


it will be good if they begin to take notice of what is beibg uncovered in Bloggerville.
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Must_B_Free Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-16-05 03:22 AM
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1. it's a probematic defense
because the right has scored far more damage with this bloggers interms of the Swift boat liars and the Dan Rather set up. Hows come they didn;t question blogs then? But all of a sudden Olesta Boy pops up and they are all but silent, wringing their hands saying "ohhhh those bloggers..."

Bye Bye credibility... See you next universe...
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UL_Approved Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-16-05 03:31 AM
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3. Yep, it sure is
This has sealed in my mind the idea that the media in this country is taken over by RW radicals. The Gannon story is much more important to our national security than the Dan Rather story EVER was.

But the MSM just plugs the "liberal media" line...

And a true scandal gets swept away like it never existed...
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Hugin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-16-05 03:25 AM
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2. There is evidence of a bias no less...
Rather/CBS Documents (Gannon may have been involved.
Freepers certainly were.) : MSM Meme = Bloggers Good

Election Exit Poll Inconsistencies : MSM Meme = Bloggers Bad

Extent of Tsunami Damage : MSM Meme = Bloggers Good

Exposing RW media plants : MSM Meme = Bloggers Bad

Anyone else see a pattern here?

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libodem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-16-05 03:39 AM
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4. so mean spirited
have you ever listened to five minutes of rush Limbaugh?
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Hugin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-16-05 03:58 AM
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5. "bloggers are mean spirited"
Edited on Wed Feb-16-05 04:00 AM by Prag
Ahh... The new CRM/MSM Meme:

"bloggers are mean spirited"

Yeah, I suppose if bloggers deal with facts instead of candy
coated propaganda they could be seen as "mean spirited" by the
MSM "Journalists".

What the CRM is afraid of is bloggers represent a cross section
of honest-to-goodness Americans. Look at what they've uncovered
without the so-called "Access" the existing worthless media
outlets have whored themselves to achieve.

It boils down to the fact there are no reporters in the CRM
anymore. There is no research. No thought. No honesty. They've
got a good thing going making $$$ to read the latest "Poop
Release". Why bother checking to see if it's true.


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scarletlib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-16-05 08:00 AM
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21. you are correct
Edited on Wed Feb-16-05 08:00 AM by scarletlib
also what gets me is how they say his personal life was "exposed". Well guess what? It was all out there on the 'net for anyone to see. If you don't want yourself exposed don't put up websites advertising yourself and your business.

Bloggers and electronic forums are the current repositories of our First Amendment right to free speech so let them complain.

The internet community is doing the job they should be doing.

edit:typo
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charlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-16-05 03:58 AM
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6. So where's their handwringing
over the original GOP-funded-nobody-with-a-webpage, Matt Drudge? A single posting from that idiot can drive a news cycle with a force any group of 100 bloggers can only dream of. I've never heard them provide useful caveats before parroting him -- "FYI, Drudge manned the cash register in a gift shop before buying that reporter's hat we all adore." Why didn't they pile on after he conned them into a week of tenterhooks over Kerry's extracurricular squeeze?
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Hugin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-16-05 04:06 AM
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7. Boggles the mind...
I've wondered the same thing about Drudge...

After his miserable failure at TV. Why didn't he fade way
back into the background?

I think the CRM keeps him as a "source" for their half-
arsed "fact checking". As long as he exists and says what
they want. He can be cited to legitimize a story. It's
a circular endorsement.

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dvaravati Donating Member (81 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-16-05 04:13 AM
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8. its time to declare war on them
the corporate media are traitors to America.
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-16-05 04:46 AM
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9. Must be that Bloggers present a "clear and present danger"...
...to MSM
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cornermouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-16-05 05:28 AM
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10. Competition.
Instead of cleaning up their own act, its easier and cheaper to try to destroy their competition. After all, they (MSM) have sponsors who may be waking up to the fact that they are buying ad space which isn't reaching a growing section of the public.
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Nimrod Donating Member (999 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-16-05 06:07 AM
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11. Might be they've just been "scooped"
And are embarassed about that. Here they are, rolling in tax dollars from the government, and a bunch of unpaid CITIZENS are uncovering the real stories. Any credibility they lend us is simultaneously detracting from their own.

Anything else would be like Disney saying "Go watch the latest Dreamworks animated movie, it beats the crap out of what we're shoveling out lately."
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flobee1kenobi Donating Member (302 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-16-05 06:47 AM
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12. Might be they've just been "scooped"
Thats exactly it! While they break stories that increase their ratings, the people that want factual information have become their own reporters. These "self made reporters" no longer need TV news to tell them whats going on, and the "scoop" reporters are starting to see the ratings drop. This is just the beginning-This story hasn't even gotten "big" yet!
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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-16-05 07:04 AM
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14. corporate media "doesn't scoop" anymore --- when was the last "scoop"?
not propaganda ... but something that really had an effect and they followed up on.
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Nimrod Donating Member (999 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-16-05 09:03 AM
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22. Well, that's just it
Corporate media figured out a long time ago that there was no need to keep working for a living. Just regurgitate the talking points you've been given by the government and laugh all the way to the bank.

But they're not just lazy and greedy, they're also arrogant. So when all of a sudden these mean liberal bloggers start showing up with REAL news stories, it makes them look bad. Quite franky, we're embarassing them - just look at their reports on the "mean-spirited, conspiracy obsessed, liberal bloggers" to see the nerve that's been struck.
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-16-05 07:01 AM
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13. First they ignore you
"First they ignore you..., Then they laugh at you..., Then they fight you..., Then you WIN." -M.K. Gandhi
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dbt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-16-05 07:24 AM
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15. The Media Borg Has Projectile Diarrhea Right Now.
The Bloggers are about to out the MSM as the ass-kissing, bu$h apologist apparatus that it knowingly, wilfully and EAGERLY became shortly after DUHbya announced his candidacy. If-and-when MSM's legion of omissions, errors and outright lies are made public, Rudi Bahktiar and her ilk will face pitchforks and torches. Makeup will be smeared!

To make it worse for the Whore Nets, they're being forced to sit on a story that they find all but irresistible.

Squirm, bitches. Soon enough, my sig line will scroll up your TelePrompTer.

:evilgrin:
dbt
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-16-05 07:26 AM
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16. I don't know
I actually heard CNN use Drudge as a source for the Chris Rock Oscar story. Drudge probably had several orgasms over this I'd imagine.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-16-05 07:27 AM
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17. "It will be good if they take notice ...."
The media has taken notice, and they recognize that people who are exposed to blogs are not so likely to accept the MSM's pre-packaged feces as breaking news.
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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-16-05 07:41 AM
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18. good... they are getting 'FIREFOXED' ;->
The Firefox Explosion

For Rob Davis, the final straw came during a beautiful weekend last summer, which he spent holed up in his Minneapolis apartment killing a zombie. The week before, a malicious software program had invaded Davis' PC through his browser, Internet Explorer, using a technique called the DSO exploit. His computer had been repurposed as a "zombie box" - its CPU and bandwidth co-opted to pump reams of spam onto the Internet. Furious, Davis dropped out of a planned Lake Superior camping trip to instead back up his computer and reformat his crippled hard drive. Then he vowed never to open IE again.

Lucky for Davis, a new browser had just appeared on the scene - Firefox, a fast, simple, and secure piece of software that was winning acclaim from others who also had grown frustrated with Internet Explorer. A programmer friend told Davis about Firefox. He didn't know that the browser was an open source project and a descendant of Netscape Navigator now poised to avenge Netscape's defeat at the hands of Microsoft. He just knew that he didn't want to waste another weekend cursing at his machine. So Davis drove to the friend's house and copied Firefox onto his battered laptop. He hasn't had a problem since - and now he's telling anybody who will listen about Firefox's virtues. "I'm no anti-Microsoft zealot, but it's unconscionable that they make 98 percent of the operating systems in the world and they let things like this happen to people," says Davis, a PR man by day who liked Firefox so much that he initiated a fundraising campaign to help promote the browser. "There's a lot of pain out there."

Firefox couldn't have arrived at a better time for people like Davis - or at a worse time for Microsoft. Ever since Internet Explorer toppled Netscape in 1998, browser innovation has been more or less limited to pop-up ads, spyware, and viruses. Over the past six years, IE has become a third world bus depot, the gathering point for a crush of hawkers, con artists, and pickpockets. The recent outbreak of malware - from the spyware on Davis' machine to the .ject Trojan, which uses a bug in IE to snatch sensitive data from an infected PC - has prompted early adopters to look for an alternate Web browser. Even in beta, Firefox's clean, intuitive interface, quick page-loading, and ability to elude intruders elicited a thunderous response. In the month following its official November launch, more than 10 million people downloaded Firefox, taking the first noticeable bite out of IE's market share since the browser wars of the mid-'90s.

Like most open source software, Firefox is forever a work in progress, the product of continual tweaking by thousands of programmers all over the world. But two people in particular are most responsible for the browser's success: Blake Ross, an angular, hyperkinetic 19-year-old Stanford sophomore with spiky black hair, and Ben Goodger, a stout, soft-spoken 24-year-old New Zealander. At age 14, Ross, logging on to his family's America Online account, started fixing bugs for the Mozilla Group, a cadre of programmers responsible for maintaining the source code of Netscape's browsers. Ross quickly became disenchanted with Netscape's feature creep and in 2002 brashly decided to splinter off and develop a pared-down, fast, easy-to-use browser. Goodger, who plays the David Filo or Larry Page to Ross' frontman, took the reins when Ross became a full-time college student in 2003. Goodger pulled the project's loose ends together and whipped the browser into shape for the release of Firefox 1.0 late last year.
<snip>

http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/13.02/firefox.html

welcome to the viral world of opensource :bounce:

Thank GORE he 'invented' the INTERNETs! :evilgrin:

psst... pass the word ;->

peace
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justiceischeap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-16-05 07:45 AM
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19. I posed this question elsewhere
Why is it when bloggers, who tend to be liberal's break something the phrase "liberal bloggers" is used. Yet I don't recall hearing anything like that when the memogate thing happened.

IMO, using that phrase is done on purpose to discredit us because the majority of the folks watching that crap are now turned off by the word liberal. Why are they turned off by it? Because the MSM has done their fair share in painting a horrid image in the minds of the sheeple of what a liberal is. So by saying something as simple as "liberal blogger" people listening to the "news" will automatically discredit what they're hearing...

We must be doing something right in the blogoshpere if the MSM is expending this much effort to discredit us.
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-16-05 07:50 AM
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20. Weren't the "bloggers" heros during the whole Rather/TANG shit?
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SmokingJacket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-16-05 09:42 AM
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23. They are now irrelevent -- completely.
And they know it.

Like those French weavers who threw their clogs into the textile factory machinery during the industrial revolution --

Sorry, idiots! You are SO over!
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