Do Americans Take The Democrats for Granted?

[Yavin4]

It seems to me that a lot of Americans go along with Bush's whacky schemes, like tax cuts for the wealthy, war in Iraq, and now SS privitization because they believe that when things go wrong, the Democrats will be there to bail them out. For instance, most Americans that support the war will keep on supporting it, until there's a draft. Then, they'll run crying to the Dems. In fact, hundreds of the victims of the backdoor draft have turned to those dirty, scumbag trial lawyers to keep their hides at home.

Bush may win SS privitization because Americans foolishly believe that if it fails, the Democrats will be there to provide for them. In actuality, the Democrats are indeed the Mommy party, always there to bail out the kids when things go wrong.

[babylonsister]

1. Sadly, I think the majority of Americans just

aren't paying attention. Those Shrubbie followers who supposedly pay attention are just showing blind allegiance w/o thinking it through or demonstrating any independent thinking. Very frustrating (to put it mildly) for us who think our country is sinking into a hellhole.

[AmandaRuth]

2. yes, yes they do

particularly the union and gay groups, who turn to the dems whenever they want something done. Before anyone starts yelling at me, I know that the majority of both those groups voted Kerry, but I also know of specific examples of unions members and gays who voted boosh. Ok, now yell away.

[Mr_Spock]

3. Yeah, let's all hibernate for a while and see what happens

lol - I think they are taking advantage of the fact that we DO care and they are using our humanity against us - we're being manipulated. The more I think about this, the more what they are doing makes sense - hmmmm - good point you bring up....

[Petrushka]

4. Do you consider Democrats to NOT be Americans? (n/t)

[Yavin4]

5. I Don't Get Your Question

You can be a Democrat and an American. There are plenty of Democratic Americans that also take the Democrats for granted. Look at California, thousands of Dems there crossed party lines and voted for Ahnuld, thinking that the Democratic legislature would save education and other popular state government social programs.

I think that a lot of Americans (Democrats and Republicans) will go along with Bush's SS scheme because deep down they know that if it fails the Democrats won't let the elderly starve to death in the streets.

It's kind of like a kid with divorced parents. They go off and live with the father for a while knowing that they can get away with a lot more stuff, but when things get hairy, they run home to the responsible parent, Mom.

[NGU]

6. If you feel the Dems are taken for granted

then encourage the Dem leaders to be more forceful in politics so they can't be ignored.

[TheOriginalAmerican]

7. You might be right.

America does clearly run to Mommy Demmy whenever something goes wrong in America (or when it finally hits the idiots that something is wrong).

I don't think Bush will win the SS privatization argument because the Republicans and the Democrats are showing that they don't want to do it. The Republicans might like to do it if it didn't require borrowing a lot more money. Since we're already in a deficit and since the world hates us, the Republicans might realize that it's not in our best interests to try to borrow more money.

However, you've just made the Republican argument (but I know you're not a Republican). Republicans think that the Democratic party is the nanny party; meant to take care of Americans. Americans want to take care of themselves. If the Democratic Party would come off more aggressively and assertively, they could prove that they're a "take care of oneself, including in a time of war" type of party. Until then, the Democratic Party probably will be taken for granted by the hypocritical part of America (which might unfortunately be most of it).

[PROGRESSIVE1]

9. They did in 1912 when Taft pushed his ENRON ecocomic policies...

and corruption. They did it 1976 when they were looking for integrity. They did it 1992 when Bush Sr. screwed everthing up and they did it BIG TIME in 1932 after Heinous Hoover!

Once we fix things they dump us!

[Piperay]

8. Precisely ...

my cousin a repuke who is pro-choice said one time that she didn't think they would ban abortion because there would be 'too much opposition'. Sometimes I feel like they need to see the consequences of their vote and see what it would be like for no one (the Democrats) to stop the excesses of their party.

[PROGRESSIVE1]

10. Too bad the Rethugs didn't overturn Roe v. Wade.

Then Americans would come crying back to us, especially Pro-Choice women like Olympia Snowe, Susan Collins, and Kay Bailey Hutchinson.

[SharonAnn]

12. Yes, I'be beginning to think that we should oppose most of their

measures, do not agree to "modify" them or "improve" them. Don't offer alternatives that are a little less harsh. Let them vote "up or down".

Let their greed and ugliness be seen in all its naked splendor.

Let people decide if this is what they really want. School budgets cut, law enforcement cut, disabled kids funding cut, Medicaid cut (old people thrown out of nursing homes), etc.

If this result is what they really want, then there's probably no way we can convince them otherwise. But, if they see this result and recoil in horror, then maybe they'll get wise.

It's like "enabling" alcoholism. We've got to stop "enabling" the Republicans. Then maybe voters will see them for what they are and force the changes they need.

[JoshK]

11. This "analysis" is just wishful thinking. First of all, it's only about

51% of the populace that supports Bush. The idea that all those nationalist militarist Muslim-hating fundie Christian types could possibly be thinking, in the back of their minds, that "Well, if things get bad, the good ol' Dems will bail me out" -- this is just laughable. Most of those people would enjoy lynching most Democrats.

The "bailing out" days of the Democrats are over, or haven't you noticed? The last significant bit of "Mommy-ing" they did (ie, socially progressive legislation" was in the Johnson administration. That's 40 years ago.

Oh, you think if there's a draft, people will come running crying to the Dems? Not bloodly likely. The Dems were as much to blame for the crimes of Vietnam as the Republicans, perhaps more. The Dems NEVER opposed Reagan's crimes in El Salvador or Nicaragua. The Dems support the atrocities in Iraq today. I have a question for you: when was the last time Dems ever opposed a US military intervention? You're kidding yourself to view Democrats as an anti-war force.