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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 05:00 PM
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MSNBC: "8 million Iraqi's cast votes today"...1.5 million out of country..
Edited on Sun Jan-30-05 05:39 PM by ElsewheresDaughter
so that leaves 6.5 million in country who voted today. so the population of iraq is 25 million....is this what bushco is calling a success? and is it a mandate as bush the bushies are claiming?

if you as me i'de call it a total failure!

through the looking glass :crazy:
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 05:01 PM
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1. I believe I heard the MSM number as 18MM reg voters
not that it means anything coming from the MSM
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GR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 05:05 PM
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7. No I Think It's 14 Million...The 18 Million Might Included Expats...
not sure
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 06:59 PM
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22. 14 milion eligible "predicted up to 8 million to vote....
http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/w-me/2005/jan...

<snip>
Iraqi officials had predicted that up to eight million of 14 million eligible voters - just over 57 percent - will turn out for Sunday's election to choose a National Assembly and governing councils in the 18 provinces
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 05:02 PM
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2. % Sunni? % Shia? % Kurd?
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 05:02 PM
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3. i think the population of Iraq is more like 25 million with 14 million
elg. voters. 55mil is closer to the population Iran.
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 05:03 PM
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4. Having ex-pats vote is a creative way to inflate the turnout numbers
Someday we'll learn the truth about the real number of people who turned out to vote. It may not be for a couple of years, and it may be reported only on page B6 of some obscure small market newspaper or in an academic journal, but we'll find out.
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thecorster Donating Member (336 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 05:05 PM
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6. you got it bluestateguy
couldn't have said it better myself.
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K-W Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 05:51 PM
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15. Oh its much deeper than that.
Ex pat communities are more likely to support US occupation too. Thier percentage of the vote is way more than thier population warrents.
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GR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 05:04 PM
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5. There Were 14 Million Eligible To Vote....
So 6.5 million is 46% but not sure that the 14 million included expats or not...
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ananda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 05:12 PM
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9. wow
That's a pretty significant result... though I doubt if the Sunnis feel represented.

I wonder whether Bush's self-styled assessement of the election as a great success represents a mandate for the US troops to go home.

Is there any other justifiable reason for being there?

Sue
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 05:34 PM
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10. keyword "Eligible"...that doesn't mean the registered or voted
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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 05:11 PM
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8. Iraq population = 25 million
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da_chimperor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 05:37 PM
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11. Yeah, I was just about to say the same n/t
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 05:40 PM
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13. Any figure they put out is a lie
These people have no credibility. The Iraqis are already laughing at figures put out by their own fraudelent leaders. They have to lie because they want to change the constitution - let the looting of Iraqi resources begin.
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da_chimperor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 05:47 PM
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14. Uhhh, put out by who? What people? Huh?
We're talking statistics now. Do you have another figure to dispute the 25 million figure? I've seen numbers between 22 and 25 million from 1996 and 2002, but to my knowledge all these numbers are estimates.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 05:53 PM
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16. I was referring to MSMs figures
about voter turn out. The numbers I have on the Iraqi population suggest closer to 40 million but I don't have the article with the source at home so I can't argue with your population numbers...today.
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da_chimperor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 05:58 PM
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17. Every single source i've found says it's in the 22-25 million range.
Encyclopedia Britannia says 24 million, for example.
http://www.britannica.com/ebc/article?tocId=9368167&query=iraq&ct=

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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 06:09 PM
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18. even if it is quoted at 18 million there's something wrong with that.....
Edited on Sun Jan-30-05 06:18 PM by ElsewheresDaughter
because more than half of Iraq's popultion is under the age of 15 ...more than half to young to vote....25M - 18M = 7M less than half the population...i'm not good with math but :crazy:

even if it 14M still doesn't jive with the demographics

WHO | Potential impact of conflict on health in Iraq
... Almost half of Iraq's total population of 24.5 million are children. UN agencies estimate that one out of eight children dies before the age of five; ...
www.who.int/features/2003/iraq/briefings/iraq_briefing_note/en/index2.html

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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 06:28 PM
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21. half of that 25M are children under age 15 ...voting half pop. 12.5M....
so how can 14M or 18 M vote count be right?
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 05:40 PM
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12. thanks......i fixed the typo
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 06:10 PM
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19. Of course, nobody is talking about who was winning.
I think 100% of all voting Shias are gonna call "Bullshit" tomorrow.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 06:13 PM
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20. UNICEF & WHO: more than half of Iraqis pop. are under the age of 15
Edited on Sun Jan-30-05 06:24 PM by ElsewheresDaughter
so how the fuck can bush claim even 14 million voted??? never mind fucking 18 million???

so that makes the "8" million more plausible then 18 M


WHO | Potential impact of conflict on health in Iraq
... Almost half of Iraq's total population of 24.5 million are children. UN agencies
estimate that one out of eight children dies before the age of five; ...
www.who.int/features/2003/iraq/briefings/iraq_briefing_note/en/index2.html
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 08:16 PM
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23. The MSM reporter
in Iraq was saying that the voting figures being put out in Iraq and outside of Iraq were not credible. I'll wait for Robert Fisk's (or other credible sources) rather than buy this bull. The truth is that it hardly matters - it will be chaos as usual tomorrow.
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