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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 08:21 AM
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IMUS Just Spent 3 Hours on the CBS Report
Edited on Tue Jan-11-05 08:23 AM by UTUSN
(Beginning at 4 A.M. and I drifted in and out of sleep.)

He had all the IMUS stooges on "mute" and went over and over parts of the CBS thing. The good (for us) parts were that he *did* bring up repeatedly that the review panel should have focused on determining WHERE the documents came from, which they didn't, AND that pics of Shrub in the Nat'l Guard costume kept flashing on the screen.

On the predictable down side, it was pretty much of a CBS bash, particularly when Tweety and Mistah KURTZ did their jobbers. Tweety brushed aside any talk of the whole thing being a Repuke psy-ops, scoffingly saying "Conspiracy theorists! They claim that this was a (Repuke) set-up!!!!" And KURTZ kept building it up as a RATHER-B.F.E.E. feud, making it out to be a "highest stakes" game, where RATHER had a history of pissing off Poppy and that September was the height of the "closest" election, such that RATHER should have covered his bases to the nth degree. He added that when RATHER "got into a shouting match" with Poppy-------guess who was in the room holding cue cards for Poppy?----------Roger AILES.

Another angle to the despicable IMUS is that he constantly (thinks he is bragging about) Poppy's and Babs being constant IMUS fans/listeners, so perhaps this whole circus was a celebration of the B.F.E.E.'s revenge on another of their historic adversaries.

The real points that OUGHT to be hammered: 1) Repuke Atlanta lawyer/operative with a Cuban wife. BURKETT was supposed to be contacted with the documents by a Hispanic woman. 2) The Repuke lawyer on the internet who claimed the documents were forgeries FOUR HOURS after CBS aired, and without his SEEING the documents----

It's a trademark ROVE technique------leaking TRUE info to a flawed messenger ("Fortunate Son"), then batter the messenger, and PRESTO the TRUE INFO is discredited and disappeared.
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cybildisobedience Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 08:23 AM
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1. just out of curiosity --
any mention of the payoff of Armstrong Williams by the White House -- with taxpayer's money?
Didn't think so....
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 08:23 AM
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2. Imus is a strange fellow
He said he supported Kerry in the last election, but always seemed to go out of his way to undercut him and say nice things about that nice George W. Bush. I don't trust him. He was terrible to Clinton too.
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skeeterintexas Donating Member (87 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 08:25 AM
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4. Imus is a d!ck. nt
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devilgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 09:23 PM
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15. He's probably on the take too.
Wouldn't doubt it for a second.
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Guns Aximbo Donating Member (324 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 08:25 AM
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3. morons
how can you watch and or listen to that group of morons?
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BRLIB Donating Member (347 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 08:53 AM
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5. Why no one demands Armstrong Williams and his bosses
be fired? And also Shrub and his briber accomplices and their bosses?
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 09:43 AM
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12. if Williams was a liberal he and Faux would be all over him
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glarius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 09:02 AM
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6. Witnesses in the CBS story proved it was true even without the document!
This is what all the talking heads are avoiding mentioning...Even without the document, the elderly secretary of the officer who wrote the document and a couple of other men verified everything in them....NOBODY (on CNN or anywhere else) will mention this fact!
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indigobusiness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 09:32 AM
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9. That's what is so bizarre in all of this.
Content no longer matters. Form is King.
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 09:19 AM
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7. So, Here's "Lucy RAMIREZ" (Wifette to Roger J. STONE)
*******QUOTE*******

http://www.usatoday.com/printedition/news/20040921/1a_c ...
Burkett now maintains that the source of the papers was Lucy Ramirez, who he says phoned him from Houston in March to offer the documents. USA TODAY has been unable to locate Ramirez.

His Hardball appearance... led to a telephone call in March from Ramirez and her offer to provide documents damaging to President Bush.
He said Ramirez claimed to possess Killian's correspondence file, which would prove Burkett's allegations that Bush had problems as a Guard fighter pilot.

Burkett said he arranged to get the documents during a trip to Houston for a livestock show in March. But instead of being met at the show by Ramirez, he was approached by a man who asked for Burkett, handed him an envelope and quickly left, Burkett recounted.

I didn't even ask any questions, Burkett said. Should I have? Yes. Maybe I was duped. I never really even considered that.

http://www.nypost.com/commentary/30555.htm

The hot rumor in New York political circles has Roger Stone, the longtime GOP activist, as the source for Dan Rather's dubious Texas Air National Guard "memos."

The irony would be delicious, since Rather became famous confronting President Nixon, in whose service a very young Stone became associated with political "dirty tricks."

Reached at his Florida home, Stone had no comment.

http://www.disinfopedia.org/wiki.phtml?title=Roger_J._S ... .

Roger J. Stone, Jr.

Roger J. Stone, Jr. is a long-time Republican dirty-tricks operative who led the mob that shut down the Miami-Dade County recount and helped make George W. Bush president in 2000. He was also a campaign strategist during the presidential campaigns of Presidents Nixon, Reagan and George Herbert Walker Bush. He is the chairman of the Fort Hill Group, a Washington, D.C.-based public affairs firm.

Stone was also a strategist for the 1981 and 1985 campaigns for governor of New Jersey by Thomas H. Kean, who was later appointed by President Bush to chair the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States (also known as the 9-11 Commission). <1>

During the 2004 presidential primary, Stone served as a behind-the-scenes consultant to black firebrand Al Sharpton's campaign to win the Democratic Party nomination, prompting speculation that Sharpton's campaign was actually a stealth operation to weaken the party's chances of winning in the general election. Writing in the Village Voice, Wayne Barrett noted that Stone was "financing, staffing, and orchestrating the presidential campaign of Reverend Al Sharpton. ... Sharpton has a little-noticed history of Republican machinations inconsistent with his fiery rhetoric. ... ny Sharpton-connected outrage against the party could either lower black turnout in several key close states, or move votes to Bush." <2>

The New York Times has also reported on the strange-bedfellows relationship between Stone and Sharpton, noting that Stone was behind several of Sharpton's most visible campaign tactics, including scrutiny of primary candidate Howard Dean's record of minority appointees when he was governor of Vermont. <3>

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BTW, isn't he the guy caught on tape at a swingers convention or nudist resort or something like that?

In swingers magazines. You ought to see these two. Oh, Myrtle...tucked and rolled and diamond tufted like a chopped, channeled and lowered '51 Mercury with fender skirts and Moon hubcaps.

A Bush Covert Operative Takes Over Al Sharpton's Campaign
Sleeping With the GOP
http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0405/barrett.php

'Roger Stone, the longtime Republican dirty-tricks operative who led the mob that shut down the Miami-Dade County recount and helped make George W. Bush president in 2000, is financing, staffing, and orchestrating the presidential campaign of Reverend Al Sharpton.'

7-14-03
http://www.voiceoffreedom.com/electionstuff/electionlaw ...

That campaign, Judge Hooper found, was orchestrated by Roger J. Stone Jr., a Republican lobbyist and political operative who has said he worked for President Richard Nixons Watergate-era re-election Committee and served as Campaign Strategist for Presidents Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush.

Roger Stone, who owns a $2.2 million bayfront mansion in Surfside, FLA, received $1.8 million from the Miami-Dade County Commission last year, for political work he did for the County.

According to Judge Hoopers 36-page order, Roger Stone, through his Washington, D.C.-based firm, "Ikon Public Affairs", was the real agent behind the campaign in late 2000 and 2001 to defeat the Florida Justices in the 2002 merit retention election. But who, if anyone, was paying Roger Stone and giving him orders remains unclear.

Mary McCarty testified that between Nov. 13 and Nov. 16, Roger Stone called her at her home. He explained to me that people were very, very upset with the way the Florida Supreme Court was conducting itself, and that in Florida we have a merit retention system.

from 1999
Trump's Top Op.(Donald Trump's political adviser Roger Stone)
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1282/is_25_5 ...

AT AGE 47, Roger Stone is already one of the great characters of Washington-a man who embodied the liberals' "decade of greed" talk in the 1980s, when his extensive Reagan-administration contacts helped him become one of the flashiest lobbyists in town.

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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 09:23 AM
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8. And Here's "Buckhead" (Harry W. MacDOUGALD)
*******QUOTE*******

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/2004/la-091704buck...

Blogger Who Faulted CBS Documents Is Conservative Activist

WASHINGTON It was the first public allegation that CBS News used forged memos in its report questioning President Bush's National Guard service a highly technical explanation posted within hours of airtime citing proportional spacing and font styles.

But it did not come from an expert in typography or typewriter history as some first thought. Instead, it was the work of Harry W. MacDougald, an Atlanta lawyer with strong ties to conservative Republican causes who helped draft the petition urging the Arkansas Supreme Court to disbar President Clinton after the Monica Lewinsky scandal, the Times has found.

The identity of "Buckhead," a blogger known previously only by his screen name on the site freerepublic.com and lifted to folk hero status in the conservative blogosphere since last week's posting, is likely to fuel speculation among Democrats that the efforts to discredit the CBS memos were engineered by Republicans eager to undermine reports that Bush received preferential treatment in the National Guard more than 30 years ago.

Republican officials have denied any involvement among those debunking the CBS story. ....

MacDougald is a lawyer in the Atlanta office of the Winston-Salem, N.C.-based firm Womble Carlyle Sandridge & Rice and is affiliated with two prominent conservative legal groups, the Federalist Society and the Southeastern Legal Foundation, where he serves on the legal advisory board and has been involved in several high-profile cases.

Founded in 1976, the Southeastern Legal Foundation advocates "limited government, individual economic freedom, and the free enterprise system," according to its website.

The foundation has fought affirmative action and domestic partner benefits for government employees, and successfully challenged a Clinton administration plan to use proportional sampling, rather than a hard count, to estimate the population in the 2000 census.

MacDougald helped draft the foundation's petition in 1998 that led to the five-year suspension of Clinton's Arkansas law license for giving misleading testimony ....


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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 09:38 AM
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10. More on STONE. Looking for the Swingers' Pics of Him & Nikki
*******QUOTE*******

http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/4616/enq0213.html

Big time political strategist Roger Stone and his wife Nikki: The former Bob Dole adviser and his wife were swingers and The Vault was a favorite haunt.
"Roger and Nikki were our customers for a long time," Marini says. "They were heavy duty swingers and ran ads on the Internet and in many sex publications. They were heavy players."
Roger was one of the top advisers who urged Dole and other Republican politicians to emphasize family values and integrity.
"Regardless of his status in politics, Roger never came to the club in disguise," Marini recalls. "He looked like a Ken doll. He was tall, blond, handsome and muscular and his wife was curvaceous and very sexy. She would wear leather bras and tantalizing outfits and he would wear collars, chaps and a leather vest with no shirt underneath."
Then in 1996, an ENQUIRER investigation revealed that Roger and his wife frequented group sex clubs and engaged in group sex orgies. In two blockbuster articles, we published evidence, including a shocking ad the couple had placed in a swingers' magazine soliciting lovers for group sex, a handwritten note arranging a sexual encounter, and revealing photos from sex magazines of Roger and Nikki barechested.
Hours after The ENQUIRER story hit the stands, it was picked up by dailies around the country and Dole's campaign ended its association with Roger Stone.

http://www.jimgilliam.com/2004/09/the_source_of_the_fak...

September 22, 2004 09:45 AM

The source of the fake memos -- Roger Stone?

Tantalizing new info on my earlier theory of a GOP connection to the fake memos from NY Post columnist Frederic Dicker: The "hot rumor in New York political circles" cites Roger Stone, the legendary Republican activist, as the source.

This would be just the latest in a long and illustrious career as a Republican dirty-trickster, starting in the service of Richard Nixon at 19 years old. Roger Stone was responsible for shutting down the Miami-Dade County recount in the 2000 election. During the primaries, he was the svengali behind the Al Sharpton campaign, and according to the NY Times, was responsible for Sharpton's attacks on Howard Dean.

Roger Stone: "I have nothing whatsoever to do with this. I'm a firm believer in political hardball, but I draw the line at forged documents."

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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 09:52 AM
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13. And Here's the Lovely, Swinging Couple
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KC21304 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 09:41 AM
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11. That Kurtz is a piece of work too.
Edited on Tue Jan-11-05 09:44 AM by KC21304
When Imus said that " everybody knew " years ago that what the documents said was true, Kurtz said ( paraphrasing ) but a journalist can't base a story on what everybody knew. Then Kurtz turns around and says that CBS should have known the story was suspect because all the bloggers knew it in 15 min etc.

So the fact that all previous military records supported the CBS documents, plus the fact a reward has been unable bring forth anyone who served with Bush, cannot be used to bolster the CBS documents, but what some right wing blogger hands off to Drudge, Hannity, Rush and every other right wing mouth piece should be taken as reason to discredit them.


I believe they are real. The bloggers could tell in 15 minutes they were fake but the investigators could not tell for sure in 3 months.
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 06:16 PM
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14. If KURTZ & Tweety Ain't Paid, They're Worth Their Weight in Gold
to Repukes. Today LIMBOsevic did a long segment with audio of Tweety from yesterday in which L. was casting Tweety as a "Liberal". The clips had Tweety saying that Red state truck drivers were out there listening to LIMBO, NORTH, HANNITY, and the rest all day getting the wingnut messages drilled into their "brains".
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