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pstokely Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 08:15 AM
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the rules at Falwell's "university"
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Spinzonner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 08:20 AM
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1. I'm surprised they even have something called 'Student Affairs'

no telling what evil thoughts that might put in those pristine, tender, young, innocent minds.

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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 08:21 AM
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2. No standing during sex? Might lead to dancing...
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knitter4democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 08:23 AM
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3. Not much different than ours at Mount Vernon Nazarene College
We got to wear jeans to class, though, and girls got to wear skirts and skorts (no shorts in class or chapel) as short as one inch above the kneecap while standing, while theirs can only be as short as the knee. Same movie and music rules, though, and same honor code (although I don't remember a 48 hour time limit). I didn't see if they were allowed to play with face cards--that rule didn't change at our school until my junior year, I think.

I have to laugh about it now or I'll go crazy. :)
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TNDemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 08:25 AM
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5. Hey - I'm a Trevecca grad.
Our motto was To be rather than to seem but we knew that was just backwards, especially when rules were enforced only when the constituents were all on campus. Our dean of students used to scour the movie theater lines to find TNC students to expel.

Glad to see another reformed Nazarene!
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knitter4democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 09:08 AM
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20. Ours was "To seek to learn is to seek to serve"
They put that on everything. Ugh. Wow. Everyone knows Trivecca's the worst at rules and stuff, even worse than Olivet. I had a friend who went there, and she was told, as a religion major, that she had to wear ankle-length skirts and dress according to old versions of the Manual if she wanted to graduate.

Our dean of students just did his best at putting together the most comprehensive student informant system in the history of the world. Honestly--they knew almost everything that went on, and it was all due to informants. I called him Beria, personally.
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TNDemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 09:42 AM
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29. Oh man, it wasn't that bad.
I went there in the 1970s and we had to wear a coat over our shorts to walk across campus to go to the gym and I thought that was ridiculous. Actually the rules were a real source of derision and amusement among the students. We all thought they were just stupid. However, it makes all the breaking of the rules much more fun. We had a taped recording of bells that would ring out at 8:00 AM. We slipped in a Black Sabbath tape and had that blast out once. We dropped a live chicken on the speaker in chapel (chicken was not hurt). Lots of stuff like that. So all in all I had a pretty good time there. Of course I am very far left (my politics always were) but I have found the fundamentalist bent of the church much too right wing for me. My husband and I noticed that there are quite a number of us that came out of that school and are quite liberal. Of course there are plenty that stayed fundie.
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knitter4democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 03:03 PM
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44. A lot of my friends also left the Church of the Nazarene
It's not just that we went liberal--we also left the evangelical churches, for the most part.

Ah, chapel pranks! The best one (not the crickets or the mice) was when they sent down those wooden gliders and parachute guy toys out of the heater ducts in the ceiling. Quite awesome. Made Gary Sivewright (our chaplain) cry. :) I wish I could shake the hands of those who did it.

I think the colleges have gone even further to the right since the seventies, mostly in backlash. Our rules were silly, mostly. It was in the enforcement when we got angry. I had a friend who was the assistant RA for our side of the apartment complex who went camping with some friends from high school. Because there were guys there (in a different tent, but no matter), they fired her and put her on social probation for the rest of the sememster. When I went to argue with the dorm mom about it, she told me that RAs cannot even look like they're breaking the rules--and she'd "stayed overnight in the presence of someone of the opposite sex." I asked her if we were all in trouble since whenever we went home, we all "stayed overnight in the presence of someone of the opposite sex." She started trying to explain to me, without using the word, that it was about sex. I said that if sex is the problem, put that in the handbook. Sheesh!

The most rebellious thing I did was muss up our president's hair at graduation when he handed me my diploma. The guy is obsessed with his hair (which looks fake but is actually real), even combing it over and over in public--even in chapel. I'd been wanting to ruffle it up for years and finally did. I thought he was going to kill me (he was in shock so bad afterward that the head of the Board of Trustees actually came over and tried to smooth down his hair!), but everyone loved it so much he just asked for an apology (yeah, I was sorry I hadn't done it sooner!). ;)
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TNDemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 06:00 PM
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61. The Nazarene Church was ordaining women 100 years ago.
They started off pretty progressive in some ways but somehow they have ended up completely regressive and I can't think of any women preachers now.

Our school seemed to have the highest percentage of gay students per capita than any school I know. My husband's roommate of three years was gay, but for some reason he never picked up on that. After he came out and I found out how many gay guys there were I asked him why in the world they would pick Trevecca and he said it was so easy to hide it there. They cloister all the men together and all the women together and it was just the right place for it. We used to have a professor there that waited on the new crop of freshman every year. I found out about him from the hubby's roommate, who had been hit on (at the professor's house with his wife in the next room). He eventually got caught and expelled thankfully.
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knitter4democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 07:06 PM
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70. Wow--gays were hunted down at MVNC
I only had one GLBT friend who actually graduated. The rest left or were forced to leave. If you're GLBT, the handbook says that you have to come out to Student Development (supposedly so they can protect you from harrassment), and then they try to force you to get counseling by a guy who isn't a real psychiatrist or psychologist and who think you can be "cured."

One of the big debates all the time in the dorms was, "Would you allow them to put you with a GLBT roommate?" I was usually the only one in the room who was okay with it.
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TNDemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 08:41 PM
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81. It would be very difficult to be out on campus.
It was not something that got back to the administration or faculty. We just kinda talked among ourselves and I think we had graduated before we knew the whole scope of things. I have no idea if it is still the same situation there.
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Hand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 08:48 AM
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12. Wow--I remember MV Nazarene!
I went to Kenyon, down the road in Gambier, in the late 60s, about the time MVNC was founded. I think some of your students occasionally trekked to Gambier to attempt to bring the licentious elitists to Jesus, usually without a lot of success.

BTW, Kenyon wasn't exactly a beacon of progressivism either at the time. When they finally admitted women in 1969, they brought in all the dopey stuff like cloistering the women in their dorms after a certain hour, requiring men to check in at the desk, etc., etc. Needless to say, the men were under no such restrictions... Gad. Sounds funny in retrospect, but even then it was merely pathetic.

:hi:
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knitter4democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 09:05 AM
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19. Hey!
Most of us went over to Kenyon to escape, actually, when we went there. They had the best deli. Of course, a lot of students stayed away because it was well-known that one of the gates of Hell is there in the basement of one of the class buildings. ;)
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Hand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 11:39 PM
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84. Heh heh...
I think I know the building--and considering the number of exams I sweated out in there, I'd say it definitely qualifies as the gates of hell!

B-)
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MsTryska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 09:28 AM
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25. No face cards?
what an interesting rule. why was that?
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knitter4democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 03:04 PM
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45. Face cards are only for gambling, of course
On the flip side, we all developed into mean Uno players. :)
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MsTryska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 03:22 PM
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56. aww man.....
i was hoping there was gonna be some cool theory, like face cards were part of the tarot, and the tarot was a pictographic way of undermining the church, and it was all a grand conspiracy. i can settle for gambling tho.
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knitter4democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 07:09 PM
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71. Actually, the only other thing I heard in church was
that face cards also promote monarchy, which we were against for some reason. I do know a girl who got in serious trouble after they found tarot cards in her desk during a Christmas break search. Yeah, they'd search all dorms and apartments during the breaks--even drawers and under beds--to see if they could find contraband.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 11:26 AM
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34. Hubby went to ENC. He loved it.
:eyes:

But at least he got off campus once in a while for a more normal life, during which he did stuff he wasn't supposed to. ;)

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knitter4democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 03:06 PM
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46. That's because it's Eastern
ENU and Point Loma are the two most liberal of all the Nazarene colleges--rules-wise and profs wise. Those of us in the middle get stuck at some odd places, let me tell ya!

That, and we all got off campus and did stuff we weren't supposed to. I'll admit it--I even danced when I was doing my semester in Russia. Shhhh--don't tell Student Development! LOL! Dancing was soooooooo against the rules.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 03:09 PM
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49. Well, by MY standards *hehehehe* ENC is still a bastion
of crazed fundagelical thinking. *g*

My hubby thinks I am going to hell fer sure. No, he's not kidding when he says that, either.

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knitter4democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 03:15 PM
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53. Oh, I'm so sorry.
I always got people at the Naz with, "So, if Catholics aren't real Christians, then what about Mother Teresa? She's as Catholic as they come--a nun who started her own convent, she kisses the Pope's ring, she prays the rosary, she crosses herself in front of icons and statues of saints . . . So is she going to hell?" It made more than a few think.

Of course, an even better answer is, "So, you've read the Book of Life? You made sure that my name wasn't in it?" Usually gets them frothing . . . ;)
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trogdor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 08:24 AM
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4. Women's Dress Code
Edited on Tue Jan-11-05 08:33 AM by trogdor
Class Dress


* Attire: Dresses, skirts, dress pants, shirts and/or sweaters
(no jeans of any color, no overalls, no Capri/cropped pants, no
shorts, no sweatshirts, no writing or graphics on shirts except for
discreet embroidered logos), dress, casual or tennis shoes (no
flip-flops of any style)
* When & Where: Classes, Convocation, academic, administrative buildings and church services



Casual Dress


* Attire: Neat pants, jeans (no shorts), shirts, wind suits and shoes
* When & Where: Academic and administrative buildings, cafeteria and church services



Sports Clothes


* Attire: Sweats, T-shirts, modest (to mid-thigh) shorts (when
wearing spandex, shorts must be worn over them) and athletic shoes

* When & Where: David's Place, intramural sports, PE classes,
athletics, recreational activities, jogging, sports events and
concerts


Linky: http://www.liberty.edu/StudentAffairs/index.cfm?PID=133...

Sounds like in the Army, only worse. You should check out the presentation on acceptable and unacceptable female dress. They don't put you in a burka, just butt-ugly clothes.

I was going to include some of the slides from the slide show, but they use square brackets in the URLs and they play havoc with DU's software. I'll just say you should REALLY check out the slideshows.
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King Coal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 08:28 AM
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7. What are they supposed to do for underpants?
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Contrary1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 08:53 AM
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14. No need...
Edited on Tue Jan-11-05 08:54 AM by Contrary1
they would just get all snagged up in their chastity belts.
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jdj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 11:43 PM
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85. Does anyone know what a "plug" is?
If it's not a regular earplug? And where do you put a plug that doesn't go in your ear, I find this really confusing:

"Earrings and plugs are permitted in ears only."



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jmowreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 11:23 AM
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88. It's like an earring with a massive post


Yes, getting this in the first time is no fun at all.
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tokenlib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 12:01 PM
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89. You said "plug"...ha, ha, ha, ha,...
Edited on Wed Jan-12-05 12:03 PM by tokenlib
Felt a Beavis and Butthead moment....you'll have to forgive me...LOL!!!

After reading those rules, I thought of constipation...and then....
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Contrary1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 08:49 AM
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13. Hell, why don't they just
pass out burkas? All black, of course...as there
are some pretty "wild" colors out there.
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AliciaKeyedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 06:18 PM
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64. I was waiting for that kind of comment
I could NEVER stick to a dress code like this, but so what? It's not for me and I didn't go there. It's a private school and people CHOOSE to go there. (Freedom of choice, remember?) Part of the morality of the school is to practice what they preach. Can you imagine if the rest of the world did the same?
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TryingToWarnYou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 08:58 AM
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18. Heres a few pics
















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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 09:09 AM
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21. Nice to see Ann Coulter getting work
That's her in the center, isn't it? The wig doesn't fool me!
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EstimatedProphet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 09:40 AM
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28. Those ARE mannequins, right?
Right?
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TryingToWarnYou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 01:34 PM
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36. Mannequins of course..you dont think they would let one of the students
dress up for real so they could show whats acceptable or not?
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EstimatedProphet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 06:36 PM
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68. You're right, they have to be mannequins
Liberty University students don't have that big a range of emotions.
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 02:34 PM
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41. I'm almost sure the one in the middle is Little Arfin' Annie
I have the same esophageal reflex.
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ohio_liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 11:24 AM
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33. This is killing me!
I used to go to one 7 AM class in my pajamas. These fuckers would probably burn me at the stake
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da_chimperor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 08:27 AM
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6. You know what's really scary?
I got an application in the mail from them when I was in my senior year. My first thought was 'who the fuck are these guys?', and then I went on line to read up on them, saw Falwell's name, and promptly burned the application in my back yard. This was after shouting 'no fucking way!', of course.
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da_chimperor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 08:30 AM
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8. They want people to snich, as well
"Liberty University seeks to promote a positive Christian community. In maintaining the standards of the University, we each have a responsibility to one another. Therefore, the Honor Code above has been established. Students witnessing or having knowledge of a major infraction of school policy have the responsibility to confront the student and request that he/she report himself/herself to the appropriate Dean or Resident Director within 48 hours and/or report the alleged infraction and those involved to Student Affairs."
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trogdor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 08:36 AM
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9. What's really scary...
...is what they define as a "major" infraction. Basically anything more serious than missing the trash can when discarding your chewing gum. When it comes to the opposite sex, you REALLY have to be careful. You can't even help any of them with their homework in the school library without running afoul of their code of conduct, forchrissakes!
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da_chimperor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 08:42 AM
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10. That place is fucked up
They want their students to live in an insular world away from anything they frown upon, one completely out of touch with the rest of the world. I could never imagine going to such a terrible place.
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Batgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 08:47 AM
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11. My nephews assure me
that the students at these places engage in all the things that other young adults their age do, but "we're even worse because we have to be so sneaky about it." They both did time at one of these fundie "universities", which seem to be excellent facilities for the production of hypocrites.

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knitter4democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 09:10 AM
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22. Oh yeah
All that stuff goes on, it's just really far under the radar. We couldn't have sex, so people were known to use an adjacent corn field--until they raided that with huge searchlights and every security guy they could grab.

Of course, then the secret abortions that were ignored, as anyone who got pregnant or got someone pregnant would get kicked out of school . . . Yeah, they're pro-life.
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MsTryska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 09:37 AM
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26. I actually was talking to someone at another site who got
kicked out of liberty, he's unsure whether he was taking digestive enzymes or because some of his classmates (female) saw him with his hsirt off.

i ocuseled him not to give his money to pharisees anymore, and he's lookign to go elsewhere. hopefully to a real school - like say Harvard Divinity or soemthing.
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Gnaeus Donating Member (55 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 08:53 AM
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15. Why would anyone go there?
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Batgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 09:24 AM
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24. I know why my nephews went to this type of school
It was because my fundie (quit drinking and got born-again) brother and his equally born-again wife, withdrew from the secular world as much as possible when they found Jesus. This included putting their kids, then in grade school, in a fundie school where they hold CD-burnings and teach kids not to question or think for themselves. It was decided for them they would attend the same bible college that everyone else in their church sends their kids to. At first, my nephews were just so glad to be away from home and it felt like they were getting on with the process of becoming adults. But both of them became increasingly unhappy after spending about a year there. One factor being they realized the only education they were receiving was to be a pastor, a missionary, or teach in an unaccredited fundie school like the one they graduated from. They were also put off by the constant barrage of hellfire/brimstone preaching from their teachers and administrators.

They both turned out to be exceptionally decent, hard working young men. And they both love their parents dearly. It's just that they're now old enough to think for themselves and decide that wasn't the direction they wanted to go in.
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noonwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 09:39 AM
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27. There are people who like that kind of environment
It's easy, from a moral choice standpoint. Having really strict rules to obey means you don't have to have your own internal debate about morality.

I knew a couple of girls in my dorm at WMU who had transferred from Liberty (this is in the early 80s). They liked it at Liberty, but decided that they were hiding from the real world. They also felt that their faith was strong enough to stand up to challenges and wanted to be able to discuss it with people who may disagree, because they felt that challenges to their faith would make them stronger christians in the long run. I actually respected their beliefs a great deal, even though I didn't agree with them about a lot of things.

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Southpaw Bookworm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 09:50 AM
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31. Sometimes it's financial
It's the only school their parents will pay for them to attend, and they've been so insulated from reality in their Christian high school or homeschooling situation that they don't realize that federal financial aid even exists.

Also, for many of these kids questioning their parents or their church is completely outside their realm of experience. If their parents tell them to pick a Christian college, it would not even occur to them to look at other schools. Fear has a lot to do with it as well: You would not believe the lies you'd hear about "secular" institutions (for them, that would include schools like Georgetown or Brown that are affiliated with churches, but aren't of the fundamentalist sort). They are taught that they'll be ostracized in class and in the dorms for their beliefs, that Satanists roam the campuses for sacrifices, and that rape is as common as the Scantron sheet.
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knitter4democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 03:10 PM
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50. It can also be about being in a safer environment
I chose Mount Vernon because, after what I went through at my public school, I wanted a safe place to study. Of course, that was before I found out that no one was all that serious about learning anything other than the Bible. I had some wonderful profs who tried their hardest to actually teach, but for many, it was like four years of Senior High Camp at church.

Most kids had the parent issue, though, and by the time their parents saw what was actually going on (or the students did), it was too late to realistically transfer. I wanted to transfer after they banned the New Yorker magazine as pornography (long story), but I couldn't without doing at least another year in education, as none of my education classes would've been accepted.
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Midlodemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 06:36 PM
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69. Seriously, why WOULD anyone go there?
and I live in Virginia. We have prepaid tuition plans here for college and it could be REAL cheap for us to send my kids there, but why would I? It would be like sending them to VMI or West Point.
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What Is This Crap Donating Member (73 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 08:54 AM
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16. they have a law school
odds of ever getting ABA certified < odds of shrub finding brain
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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 03:22 PM
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55. It's quite the laughingstock of all ABA accredited law schools
or so I've been told.

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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 08:55 AM
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17. And what is both funny and sad at the same time
Is that with all of these repressive rules, they are just encouraging a student to become a ticking psychological time bomb. Some of the wildest, most self destructive people I've seen were students/recent grads of various strict religious schools. When I lived in Springfield Mo, students of SW Baptist University in Bolivar(30 miles north) would come down on weekends and just rip up the town. Drink hard, lots of drugs, DUIs, raping and being raped, fights, violence, the list was endless. They put UMR's St Patty's day binge to shame, week in and week out. There would almost always be a list of student names in the arrested column in the Monday paper.

Rather than just being repressive and saying no, they should teach these kids how to handle life's temptations responsibly. Simply saying no makes the banned activity even more alluring, the forbidden fruit. And when these kids get out in the real world, they just don't know how to handle such things in a sensible manner, instead they dive in and go crazy.

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Nobody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 02:30 PM
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94. I agree with that: Must be trusted to prove trustworthiness
And the problem with these restrictions is that some of them are pointless. No R rated movies? No unapproved music?

Guess we can't watch Passion of the Christ or Schindler's List.

These are college students and they should be treated as the adults they are or are becoming. Give them the chance to be responsible. Once they get the rebellion out of their systems, they can settle down and become responsible.

These rules are just giving these students a lot of something to rebel against. And the idea that these restrictions still hold even when not on campus is unbelievable. How would they enforce them?

"It has come to my attention that between junior and senior year, you attended a showing of Braveheart. I realize that it stars Mel Gibson, who was responsible for that excellent movie Passion of the Christ, but it was R rated. And by the way, you were seen walking down a sidewalk where a car went by blaring Iron Maiden's song "Number of the Beast" out the window. More demerits for hearing inappropriate music."

These are the same people who had a cow when Pat Boone's tongue in cheek album In A Metal Mood came out.
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toddaa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 09:17 AM
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23. Attending Liberty University can make you do things like this
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Maria Celeste Donating Member (104 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 09:42 AM
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30. Check out the one at BYU
http://campuslife.byu.edu/HONORCODE/honor_code.htm#DRES...

More than comparable. Inflicted on Mormons and non-Mormons alike.
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livinginphotographs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 11:18 AM
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32. Some samples:"
"All students are asked to display mature Christian behavior in social interaction. Proper respect must be shown to all individuals at all times. Harassment of any type will not be tolerated. Handholding is the only appropriate form of personal contact. Improper personal contact or other forms of public display are considered in poor taste. After dusk, students should not be alone with an individual of the opposite sex in any unlighted area such as the ball fields, parking lots, parked cars, ravine or other wooded areas, etc. This is considered improper social behavior."

Yeah, right. I've talked to several girls who went there, and they quite frequently will engage in anal sex to avoid losing their virginity.
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Contrary1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 02:23 PM
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39. Well, they had me til:
"...After dusk, students should not be alone with an individual of the opposite sex in any unlighted area such as the ball fields, parking lots, parked cars, ravine or other wooded areas, etc. This is considered improper social behavior."

Some of my best dates have been in ravines.
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UdoKier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 11:27 AM
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35. Oh, those lucky fundie students!
They get to talk to the "Great Man" himself, one on one!

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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 01:52 PM
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37. What a joke! Lots of those kids party their ass off anyway... even WORSE!
... or BETTER. ;) Many of 'em come to New Orleans for Mardi Gras and get their freak on while we natives watch with amusement. :D

We have crawfish and beer at my university and the dorms are co-ed.

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TheEconomist Donating Member (68 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 02:07 PM
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38. Well they are private...
... do we really want our government interfering with OUR private institutions?
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livinginphotographs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 02:39 PM
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42. No one's suggesting interfering with them.
We're just having a good time at their expense. ;)
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DrWeird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 03:07 PM
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47. Oh, I don't know.
It's a degree mill.

Aren't those illegal?
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livinginphotographs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 03:11 PM
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51. I would be all for taking away their accreditation.
But if they want to pay to sit in a giant, harmless, fundie circle-jerk all day (a MODEST circle-jerk, I should add), let them.
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DrWeird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 03:13 PM
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52. Too late for that.
They haven't got any.

Isn't handing out phony college degrees fraud?
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livinginphotographs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 03:15 PM
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54. I can type up a piece of paper that says
"Degree" from "livinginphotographs University" and give it to anyone I want. It's worthless, but I don't think it's illegal.

And I didn't know about the accreditation. WTF is the point in going there, if your degree isn't worth the paper it's printed on?
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DrWeird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 03:49 PM
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59. Well, you get to give somebody a bunch of money
and in return you get a "degree" that says "Liberty University" on it.
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livinginphotographs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 03:50 PM
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60. Good deal!
I'm sold!

Who needs a degree from a university when you can get one from GAWWWWDDDD!!!! :evilgrin:
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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 03:23 PM
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57. Who suggested the government interfere with this crap?
Let 'em be the jackasses they are.

We can still laugh at them.

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jerryman814 Donating Member (422 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 02:33 PM
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40. Rated-R Movies & Music lacking the"Christian atmsophere" are banned... wtf
Entertainment
Liberty University encourages students to abstain from any form of entertainment that would compromise their testimony to the world and their relationship to God.

Movies
Liberty University has always attempted to maintain a conservative standard in its approach to the arts and entertainment. Current policy for movie viewing allows for attendance at theaters but prohibits viewing of movies rated "R", "NC-17" or "X". The penalty for viewing such movies is a reprimandable offense. It should be remembered that in no way is Liberty University endorsing the movie industry's rating system as appropriate or Christ-honoring. In addition, the Division of Student Affairs will continue teaching guidelines and principles to students related to all forms of entertainment. This would mean that many "PG-13" and some "PG" movies, although not prohibited by policy, may also be inappropriate.

Music
Philosophy, tastes and personal convictions concerning music vary greatly among our students. Liberty University endeavors to teach discernment in evaluating and selecting all music. It is Liberty's desire to maintain a music standard that is conducive to a healthy Christian atmosphere. Students should learn to choose music that honors the Savior and is in harmony with God's word. Music which is offensive (i.e., lewd lyrics, anti-Christian messages, etc.) to Liberty's Christian stand is not permitted. This policy is implemented because:

The University desires to suggest a conservative policy for music, which honors the Lord.

Music expresses such an expansive variety of culture and background, attitude and thought, belief and message.

Some music, in its message, is clearly contrary to the standards of Liberty University.

There is a wide variance in personal styles and tastes.

Controversy surrounds some particular preferences.

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These types of rules are incredibly stupid. What are we teaching students? That all of the answers to life's problems lie in Candyland and Fantasia?
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against all enemies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 06:07 PM
Response to Reply #40
63. "Passion of the Christ" 24/7 - what a treat!! What is the penalty for
slipping your hand up a girls shirt during the Passion?
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Nobody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 09:03 PM
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83. But Passion of the Christ would get you 12 reprimands
12 Reprimands + $50 Fine
Attendance at, possession or viewing of, an "R," "NC-17" or "X"-rated movie
Deception
Entering the residence hallway of the opposite sex or allowing the same
Entering the space above ceiling tiles
Out of residence hall overnight or substantial portion of the night without permission (after 2:00 a.m.)
Participation in an unauthorized petition or demonstration
Possession and/or viewing of sexually explicit material
Possession of a school key without authorization
Safety/security violation
Students of the opposite sex visiting alone at an off-campus residence


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pstokely Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 03:21 PM
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96. they were allowed to see it
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qwlauren35 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 02:40 PM
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43. Nice...
I have to admit, such a sanitized environment would actually be very comfortable for me... except that I'm not Christian.

I prefer modest clothes, I HATE violent/obscene/derogatory musical lyrics, I don't enjoy seeing body piercing (although I don't mind men with earrings), I prefer clean-shaven men with short hair, I avoid R/NC-17/X rated movies. I'm married, so I'd get to live off-campus anyway...

If I could fake the Christianity part, I'd probably fit right in!

Also, I think these rules make very good sense for a fundamentalist Christian university that represents a conservative viewpoint and a healthy respect for "yesterday's" positive values.

I didn't really see ANYTHING in their code that I would seriously object to.

Was there anything of that nature?

Keep in mind, there was a general attitude that sexual expression is to be VEHEMENTLY discouraged... so the only difference between gay folks and straight folks would be that the gay folks couldn't hold hands. I think a gay celibate person could go to Liberty and be fairly comfortable.

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TheDonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 03:07 PM
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48. The men's dress code is scary! this is creepy
Standard of Dress for MEN
Hair and clothing styles related to a counterculture (as determined by the Deans' Review Committee) are not acceptable. Hair should be cut in such a way that it will not come over the ears, collar or eyebrows at any time. Ponytails for men are unacceptable. Facial hair should be neatly trimmed. Earrings and/or plugs are not permitted on or off campus, nor is body piercing. Questions concerning the standard of dress for men should be addressed to the Dean of Men's Office.


The pictures are only of black men? that's odd, while the women's dress code is of dummies??
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 03:26 PM
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58. That was my first thought when I saw "related to counterculture"
Hmmmm... dreads perhaps? Maybe even a shaved head?

Reminds me of a comic strip I saw years ago poking fun at Liberty: "Of course we have black students!... (shows a basketball gym) There are FIVE!"
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against all enemies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 06:04 PM
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62. What percentage of Liberty students get laid in their first year?
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DrWeird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 06:21 PM
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65. Sex is a major offense. Punishable by one semester in the stocks.
nt
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AliciaKeyedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 06:26 PM
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66. Let's mock people who believe differently than we do
That's always a fun night's entertainment when people need an ego boost.
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DrWeird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 07:10 PM
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72. Why are you defending Mullah Falwell?
Some people deserve a good mocking. These guys especially.
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AliciaKeyedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 07:15 PM
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73. Mocking people for their religious beliefs is pretty appaling
Disagree with where Falwell stands on issues for god's sake. But to mock people because you don't approve of how they dress?

Who do we mock next? Look at those interesting outfits on those (fill in the blank).

At least a thread like this should remind all the atheists here that they aren't the only ones who suffer for their beliefs.
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DrWeird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 07:17 PM
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75. Fill in the blank?
OK.

Klan members.
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AliciaKeyedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 07:19 PM
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76. OK, gays, liberals, atheists, etc.
Wanting a moral education doesn't make them like the Klan.

I can't stand Falwell. I can't stand the bigotry in this thread even more. What a choice.
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DrWeird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 07:21 PM
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77. There's nothing moral about Liberty University. Or Falwell.
It's basically a white supremacist camp. With a student union building.
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AliciaKeyedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 07:24 PM
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78. Yeah, those people who believe differently are all...
Crap what stereotypical, bigoted bullshit passes for political commentary around here.

All leftists aren't great. All Christians aren't fundies. All fundies aren't bad. All atheists aren't Mensa candidates, etc.

Broad brush thinking isn't much thinking at all.
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DrWeird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 07:26 PM
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79. The Klan thinks differently than I do to.
So does Al Qaeda.

I'm not going to stop making fun of them, either.

"All Christians aren't fundies"

No shit, Sherlock. And these people ain't real Christians.
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AliciaKeyedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 07:29 PM
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80. And these people are not the Klan
And claims to the contray show no insight whatsoever.

Painting those who oppose you are evil is a tool of those who hate and that shouldn't be the Democratic Party.

Now a quick question, who proclaimed you the authority on "real Christians?" Is there a quiz or is it by executive fiat?
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 06:29 PM
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67. Peace is war. Love is death. Liberty is restriction. HYPOCRITES.
:eyes:

Ever see their logo? Looks like Satan's flames are burning it. :evilgrin:
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AliciaKeyedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 07:16 PM
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74. So it's not Liberty unless they use it the way you want?
Edited on Tue Jan-11-05 07:17 PM by AliciaKeyedUp
That's what freedom is all about, the freedom to make choices. These choices that most of us here know wouldn't be for us are still their choices to make. That's Liberty.
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eek MD Donating Member (249 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 08:59 PM
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82. It can't be all bad.....
Getting sent to an all-boys, catholic, boarding high school is what changed me from a conservative into a flaming liberal... :)

Sometimes it just takes getting a dose of harsh brutal conservatism to make people think for themselves....
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tiredofthisstuff Donating Member (87 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 10:49 AM
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86. I Spend a lot of time in Lynchburg
I live in Roanoke, VA but spend a lot of time in Lynchburg doing work for clients. I have to say (and maybe it's just me) that the air is very thick. What I mean by thick is that the whole town feels like a wake. Even just driving into the outskirts of the town can give me a feeling of uneasiness. It is obvious to me that the town in controlled by Liberty. Most restaurants in the area have a hard time hiring employees because they serve alcohol. I have seen on numerous occasions students being expelled for even walking into these restaurants. Also the police enforce an unofficial curfew that is relative to the student code of Liberty. (Hmm... Lynchburg Tax dollars used for Liberty Policy enforcement.

I could go on and on, the point is that I don't like the atmosphere surrounding that University. To me something evil swirls around that school.
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TWiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 11:00 AM
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87. Why are all of the Male "Dress Code" photo's
of African-Americans? Does Fartwell even allow minorities to attend?

It must be scarry as hell for them to walk around among all those white-pointy hats and robes.
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pstokely Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 01:42 PM
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91. he might, if they have a good jump shot
Edited on Wed Jan-12-05 01:42 PM by pstokely
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pstokely Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 01:41 PM
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90. how do they enforce these rules during breaks
and outside of Falwellville?
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pstokely Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 01:42 PM
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92. maybe
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sonicx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 02:12 PM
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93. One of these schools use to ban interracial dating. was it this one?
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pstokely Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 03:20 PM
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95. Bob Jones
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