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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 11:58 AM
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If massive evidence of fraud in Ohio is uncovered after the inaug
what are the options? Once Junior is re-elected, can we sue to have the election results overturned?

Just wondrin'.
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rolleitreks Donating Member (282 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 12:00 PM
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1. I'll eat my hat. n/t
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genieroze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 05:57 PM
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17. Don't forget the Heinz Ketchup, it's good stuff. eom
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k8conant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 12:01 PM
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2. we should be checking this out...
because I'm rather sure this scenario won't happen:
  1. Cheney resigns
  2. Bush names Kerry VP
  3. Bush resigns
  4. Kerry names Edwards VP
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 12:14 PM
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7. And pIgs will fly, hell will freeze over...
we can dream can't we? :crazy:
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 12:02 PM
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3. history and world opinion will see him for what he is
Actually, the rest of the world already does.
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sallyseven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 12:09 PM
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4. His reelection will
change the minds of the American people and a repuk will not be elected for the next 20 years.
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Benhurst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 12:15 PM
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8. American people continue to vote against Republicans; but
since the elections are fixed, Republicans continue to rule, selecting Jeb Bush as their next eight-year president.
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 12:30 PM
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11. They no longer need to 'fix' anything:
The corporate sect, along with the bought'n'paid for DLC, have disintegrated the Left.

The DLC has openly spoken up against Michael Moore, who's been doing infinitely more to promote AWARENESS than the DLC ever would.

And Kerry - Bush exterminated his credibility with the pressing on of the 'flip-flopper' accusation. And when "never surrender" Kerry politely and humbly conceded something like 16 hours after the polls closed, that was icing on Bush's sawdust cake.

As a result, how many Dems are now disenfranchised? I sure as hell am. And I will NOT vote for ANY Democrat unless I get to know the candidate's background that backs up any blathering claims of being for issues I am for. No evidence = no support.

With the party splintered, the Repukes will claim "larger, historic victories" in the coming years. Apparently, if 45% vote Republican, 25% vote Dem, and 30% vote Common Sense, well then it's obvious that the Repubs have a majority of the vote. :eyes: (uh, wrong. 55% still voted AGAINST the Republicans.)

The DLC can exclude people all it wants. They can rot in hell for all I care as they are only aiding the repukes.

We need a party that can best unite all who are against the neoconservative fascist party. One that is INCLUSIVE and welcomes the opinion of the people who vote. And for that, such a party needs a leader with resolution and charisma to win over the minds and hearts of the people.

Not gonna happen though. As we've already seen, the repukes love the current system, and with their continued attempts at changing laws, redistricting, and so on, they are effectively abusing the system to lock themselves into eternal power; which is what the corporate sect prefers.

Anyone else angry yet?
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IndyPriest Donating Member (685 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 01:00 PM
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14. Angry? Hell yes. But one of the signs they don't yet have
complete control is that they DO have to fix elections to win.
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IndyPriest Donating Member (685 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 12:09 PM
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5. Resignation or Impeachment.
A suit can't overturn the election.

By the way, do you mean "is proven" by "is uncovered?" I'd say massive evidence HAS been uncovered but not yet proven in a court.
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 12:12 PM
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6. I don't believe there's been enough evidence
to show conclusively the results of the election would be changed...that said, I do believe that evidence could be found after Jan 20.
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HawkerHurricane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 12:19 PM
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9. Primus...
you have to cover such massive evidence that it cannot be spun, covered up, lied about, 'they do it too'd', or otherwise discounted.

Secondus, there has to be a massive backlash against such shenanigans NOT BY Democrats, but by disgusted Republicans.

Tertius, then we will see Bush as a truly lame duck, abandoned by his own party for his 'crimes' (ala Nixon) in a attempt to distance themselves from him.

Then, maybe, we'll get a resignation/impeachment.

Since step one ain't going to happen (they'll be able to spin men with guns forcing people to vote for Bush), I'm looking at other options.
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IndyPriest Donating Member (685 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 12:28 PM
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10. A Latin scholar! lol! .. Always good to have other
options, for sure. But I'm beginning to think Blackwell's coming down. If that happens, we might well get one and a shot at two.
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HawkerHurricane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 03:57 PM
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15. Rather, a scholar who knows some Latin.
But the scariest thing I've seen over the past 4 years has been the Republican's core 40%, who would accept any excuse from the Bushites. I fully believe that, even if they found direct, hard evidence of men and women held at gunpoint and forced to vote Republican in Ohio, they'd accept it as 'proper and due' in order to 'counter blatant Democratic vote fraud'...

If George W. Bush was caught sacrificing his twin daughters to Satan live on Fox television in return for unlimited power, the 40% would applaud him as a Godly man doing what was needed to save his country.
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Cuban_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 12:38 PM
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12. There is no provision in the Constitution for new elections.
Edited on Sat Jan-08-05 12:39 PM by Cuban_Liberal
Impeachment would be our only legal remedy.
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newyorican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 12:49 PM
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13. Then it's tough shit...
as the majority in Congress will NEVER act against W.
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cire4 Donating Member (580 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 05:51 PM
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16. Unless Bush's fingerprints are clearly on it, he'll stay in office
Even if it is proven that KKKarl orchestrated the whole thing, the only result will be Bush publicly condemning Rove followed by his resignation. Bush will remain in office unless he directly participated in the fraud, which I believe is highly unlikely because he's an idiot.
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genieroze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 05:59 PM
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18. But he will have a nasty stain on his mandate. eom
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