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AnIndependentTexan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 07:01 PM
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I support Kerry and I still support Kerry
I'm only 23 and I believe in Kerry. Why is it that a youth can still believe in Kerry, but others seem to think Kerry wasn't good enough? I believed in Kerry not because of a party, but because Kerry believed in us. I still have his back do you?
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katinmn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 07:03 PM
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1. Yup.
It's called loyalty.

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AnIndependentTexan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 07:05 PM
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2. actually I respect who he is. Kerry was always a good person
and a man of great wisdom.
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mary195149 Donating Member (231 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 07:06 PM
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5. Kerry will make a great president!! n/t
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seito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 07:05 PM
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3. The youth have the hope, faith and fighting spirit
to restore our Democracy.

Thank you AnIndependentTexan for your positive and uplifting post. There are many out here that agree with you.

:yourock:
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LauraT28 Donating Member (182 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 07:05 PM
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4. You are young and naive...Kerry took a Dive...Flat out.
BOTH parties serve the same master. This is what I finally came to realize. That master is the corporate/Military-industrial complex. Look at the laws they pass and who they really favor if you doubt this. Took me a while to finally accept this as well. The Dems and Repigs basically play Good Cop/ Bad Cop but are essentially on the same side. Some leaders are obviously not in on it but many are. Their game is to keep us devided and keep us down so as their true actions and objectives remain out of the limelight. It sucks.
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 07:12 PM
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9. I'm right there with you and I wasn't before this sham of an election
and Kerry giving his Swift concession speech. It does suck.
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Doohickie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 07:44 PM
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13. Well I'm old and naive...
Cuz I still pull for Kerry.

I BELIEVE!
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Maat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 07:06 PM
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6. I think he was a remarkable candidate...and ran a good ..
campaign...in the sense that I'm proud of the courageous stands I feel he took (refusing to endorse those hateful anti-GLBT state amendments).

I will back his efforts in the Senate to get health insurance for every child in America.


I've realized that the problem in this country is that there are way too many pro-Bush ill-informed sheeples (and I'm surrounded by them).
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 07:08 PM
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7. perhaps you will change your mind...
when you get that draft notice. Very soon... :eyes:
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OutsourceBush Donating Member (860 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 07:10 PM
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8. He can't be that good if he was beaten by a chimp
Do I want to support him again after he lost to a chimp? NO
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pamela Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 07:16 PM
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10. I still support John Kerry
I hope he runs again in 2008.
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latteromden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 07:21 PM
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11. Definitely
Agreed. I started out this election year as a Cobb supporter - I thought, okay, he's not a particularly engaging candidate, but I could not stand Kerry. I slowly shifted my support over to Dennis Kucinich when it became clear to me that Cobb was not a perfect match for me. And I switched from Kucinich to Kerry when I quite literally fell asleep at a DK rally (although, I've got to say, I still like the guy). I've always been a Democrat, but I was so disappointed in the party that I was considering becoming a Green, until Kerry came along, and brought Edwards with him. Something changed. My life suddenly revolved around the campaign, and I would spend hours and hours every night at the campaign headquarters in St. Paul working towards a better future. I believed in hope, I believed in possibility, and I believed in John Kerry. If he could bring me back to the Democratic Party, he deserves all my support, regardless of whether or not he won. I do not believe he has given up; it's not his nature. Of course I still have his back.

I'm not old enough to vote - hell, I'm not old to drive yet - but I certainly agree. I did not support Kerry simply because he is a Democrat - that would be ridiculous, especially for me, given my anger with the party - but I supported him because he truly believed in us, and in our future as a nation.
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Gothmog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 07:23 PM
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12. I also like and believe in Senator Kerry
I also like and believe in Senator Kerry.
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vickie Donating Member (663 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 08:05 PM
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14. I certainly do.
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Tracer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 08:17 PM
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I'll admit to something.
I voted for Kerry. Let's get that out of the way right up front.

But every time I saw him on television, I turned the sound off. I just couldn't stand to listen to him. His hoarse drone just about did me in.

In my opinion, his major mistake was in voting for the "authorization" for the Prez to go into Iraq. And no amount of money, ads, stump speeches, and rallies could ever overcome that. And further justifying the Iraq invasion by claiming he'd do it "better", just made me cringe.
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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 08:17 PM
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15. How sweet it is to see
so many naive posters.

But sorry, sweet gets us nowhere!

Hope Is On The Way!

I've got Your Back!

Every Vote Counts!


Uh huh. He caved before the votes were even counted.

He's someone to owe your loyalty?

He's someone to be proud of?

As many here are so fond of saying...

WAKE THE FUCK UP!
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Mirwib Donating Member (95 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 08:57 PM
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18. Kerry's time has past
Edited on Sat Nov-27-04 08:57 PM by Mirwib
"The good news for us is that Dean is not the nominee."--Karl Rove

I remember watching the Iowa results come in. Dean went out and gave his "concession" speach. I thought it was very good. He had emotion. He had energy. It was a great speach. The next day, the media, as if it had a single mind only, started to report that Dean had imploded during that speach. It was a horrible example of the media picking on one candidate.

Kerry's time has past. He got his chance. The baton needs to move on to another candidate.

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Lexingtonian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 08:41 PM
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16. Give it some time, AIT....
Edited on Sat Nov-27-04 08:44 PM by Lexingtonian
Some people just feel their own apparent powerlessness so exposed that they can't get over the fact that Bush got three million more votes on November 2. They need someone to blame and Kerry's not giving them excuses or explanations or consolations. These folks don't realize how incredibly fragile the Republicans know their hold on power is against Kerry's 57 million voters and how 'wedgeable'/defection-vulnerable the Republican moderates at all levels (voters, activists, up to members of Congress) have become.

A good number of the complainers are people who think the only good politician is one who resembles themselves, who makes decisions the way they would, who thinks what they consider important the only important things, and who talks to them they way they're accustomed. Generally they supported people other than Kerry during the primaries, people who appealed to their individual or group narcissism more strongly. These folks don't realize how the Party is really changing and how it must change and what ways it's not going to for the time being, nor why the details of that isn't going to be explained or their approval asked for it for another year or two. (Most of the rest of the complainers are provocateurs/disruptors staying below the DU banning threshold- note the low post counts- whose purpose is to exploit these other folks' selfimportance in an effort to sabotage Democratic grassroots unity.)

There's a surreal theory both groups subscribe to, which is that if Kerry had run the campaign according to their particular standard of perfection he would necessarily have won. That ignores that (1) no Presidential campaign has ever achieved anything resembling perfection, (2) attacks like the O'Neill group one got polled and focus group tested very extensively by both sides, and the story is that there just are that many Americans who prefer the O'Neill version of explaining Vietnam (because they want to believe the U.S. to be a Messianic society), (3) Kerry simply has a power player and patrician perspective on the game, which was generally superior to their own, and knew the particulars on 'issues' didn't matter too much, (4) like in 2000, Americans voted according to the situation they percieved the country be in and who they are in the society, and all the detail of political positioning didn't do much of anything.

Kerry is a person who represents fairly Modern life and attitudes, as well as classical ones, which is why his appeal is strongest with the youngest generation of voters and the life-affirming oldest ones. It's all the people who can't get over the changes during their lifetime, people whose lives are full of ugly compromises and misunderstandings, who see him representing more problems to their mental comfort rather than resolutions. Kerry forces such people into bizarre contortions of denial, be they Democrats with overt or hidden conservatisms or reactionary Republicans. It's not Kerry the man who provides the problem: he simply represents the pressures of the Modern world that Americans over forty find tests their competence and adaptability in ways that pain them.

People will in time submit, make the effort to learn what they need to, and adapt to the Modern. But they voted for Bush to buy themselves 'a reprieve', to quote Jerry Falwell in an unintended moment of candor. There is a great need to supply the moderate Bush voters with the information and confidence they lack to get over whatever mental hurdle remains between them and leaving the reactionaries behind.

So "Kerry" is simply a lightning rod. The Party grassroots is in a painful lurch toward accepting that it represents the Modern and has to ditch a lot of transitional and narcissistic and selfserving ideas about itself. The Party grassroots has to accept that The People doesn't consider it purged of Old Democrats until it lets go of all exposed principle-deficient and reactionary holds on power: there has to be a brief moment of not clinging, of letting go. The People holds Democrats to a higher standard than its opposition because it is the Party tasked to bring about the Better Future, and expectations of Republicans are only to fully ruin that which is failing in the Present.

I expect it will be January before sanity and constructive effort and careful optimism and political will returns to the norm around these parts. Let 'em all grieve, let 'em all figure out things for themselves as they are able. Kerry's clearly going to be a tacit or overt leader in a major effort to get defecting Republicans over to our side during the next couple of years, no matter what all the naysayers and critics say now. I say: rest up and heal up and prepare for the next incursion on Bush & Co., victory and the end of the war have never been closer.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 08:51 PM
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17. No. The day he conceded
he lost me. It took a LOT for me to support him, but I did and he let us all down by conceding. He said he would stay and fight and he didn't do that. Typical politician. Make promises and renege. What's to support anyway? He conceded. He's going back to the Senate to kiss some more repuke ass. What the hell are you supporting?

Should I learn he's working behind the scenes to investigate voter fraud and the chimp gets his ass thrown in jail, I may have a change of heart, but none of that is likely to happen.
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