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-..__... Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 08:10 PM
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Fundamentalists... as much as a threat to America as Al Qaeda?
Edited on Sun Nov-14-04 08:12 PM by D__S
Same clowns... different circus.

Religious extremists whom believe that their deity is the only true God and all others must comply with their beliefs and wishes or suffer the consequences. That society must be held to their standards even if it has to be forced upon them.

The terrorists aren't just overseas. They're here as well and have been a long, long time before 9/11/04.
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charlyvi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 08:12 PM
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1. I think they are more of a threat.
They are in a position to do more damage.
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clydefrand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 08:18 PM
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3. yeah, like help elect the village idiot.
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Maat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 08:18 PM
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4. I think the Religious Right is more dangerous....
they have more soldiers on the ground in the U.S. ... and they are dedicated to doing more long-term damage.

Of course, take that comment with a grain of salt - they're not actively trying to kill people ... yet.
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kcwayne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 08:22 PM
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7. They have crossed the line into killing people
There are fundamentalists that have shot and killed a number of doctors, and a support network kept that one in North Carolina hidden for a number of years.
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Maat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 08:23 PM
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9. Point well-taken.
n/t
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Maat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 08:24 PM
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10. Dupe.
Edited on Sun Nov-14-04 08:25 PM by LawStudentMom
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Maat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 08:24 PM
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11. Point well-taken.
n/t
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DemoTex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 08:32 PM
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13. Eric Rudolph. He worked in Brevard, NC, for my roofer for a few months.
Of course my roofing contractor did not realize who it was. Rudolph was clean-shaven at that time and a good roofer. My contractor showed me correspondence from the FBI and other law enforcement agencies about Rudolph. For several months of that time, Rudolph was right under the noses of the FBI, working on roofs in upscale Conostee Falls (a gated golfing community in the mountains outside of Brevard).
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-..__... Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 08:25 PM
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12. As bad as it is or may get...
I think that scenario is unlikely to happen (although I certainly wouldn't rule it out.. "Stay alert, stay alive").

Why use force when you can legislate or restrict one right at a time over time?
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flyingfysh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 08:17 PM
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2. an essential reference on fundamentalisms
People concerned about the effects of religous fundamentalisms should get the "Fundamentalism Project" series from the University of Chicago. The first volume is "Fundamentalisms Observed".

The scope of the series is much too extensive to summarize quickly. But people concerned especially with the future of the US or or the Middle East should read the series.

Besides the Christian fundamentalism we are all familiar with, it also deals with Jewish fundamentalism, Islamic fundamentalism, and Hindu fundamentalism.
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 09:58 PM
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19. Religious fundamentalist are literary suffering from cognitive
impairment as a result of years of brain washing influences from their
church related experiences. Their psychosis is causing catastrophic results for the human race. It must be identified as the illness that it is and that it has become pandemic.
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Liberal Veteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 08:20 PM
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5. More.....
al Qaeda doesn't have millions in positions of power in the US like the moronic Tali-born-agains.
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 08:21 PM
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6. more dangerous...watching CNN Presents right now on Evangelicals
Edited on Sun Nov-14-04 08:22 PM by maddezmom
woman on right now saying she believes she will see the "rapture" in her lifetime.
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 08:22 PM
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8. Jerry Fallwell - Osama. Same peas in a pod.
They are almost equal in their evilness and harm.
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 08:36 PM
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14. Falwell is FAR from the worst of them...................
all you have to do is Google "dominion theology" or "biblical reconstructionism" or R J Rushdoony or Gary North...........take a gander and see what is in store for all of us. These people have as their goal a total theocracy based on old-testament laws and punishments, typically stoning to death for blasphemy/heresy and such, burning at the stake for sex before marriage, death by lethal injection or electrocution or stoning or burning for anyone who is not a practicing Biblical Reconstructionist(and yes, they mean the VAST MAJORITY of humans on earth who are not Christian fundies.....they basically advocate MASS GENOCIDE). They do NOT believe in government as it is now, they do NOT believe in the Constitution. The DO seek to quietly infiltrate the legislatures and local government in order to work from within to get what they want. Numerous government functionaries have links to these people. Mark my words, the fun is just beginning.
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-..__... Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 08:56 PM
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16. Reminds me of these shit stains.
http://www.armyofgod.com

(website has a couple of gratuitous "hand wringing" and "sob sisters" pictures of aborted fetuses. If anyone thinks the pictures are "obscene", wait till you read the language).


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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 08:44 PM
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15. Crazyass fundies are MORE of a threat...
Al Queda's goal is to turn Saudi Arabia into a theocracy (fine by me), our homegrown lunatics want the same fate for the US.
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 08:57 PM
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17. Al Qaeda never attacked the US until the Fundy in the WH allowed
them to.

I am way more afraid of Fundies.
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 09:53 PM
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18. The first step in understanding the mental condition of
religious extremists is to realize that their brains have been altered by years of conditioning by their church affiliations. Just as victims of post traumatic stress syndrome have actual altered chemical states in their brains, the religious fundies have physically changed the natural flow of their cognitive processes and with tragic results for all of us.


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-..__... Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 10:08 PM
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20. Actually...
"religious extremists is to realize that their brains have been altered by years of conditioning by their church affiliations.

It follows along the belief of lack of free thought and compliance with the collective beehive... non-compliance and individualism will not be tolerated. Where have I seen, read or heard about this before?
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 10:09 PM
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21. Nazis, communist and Maeterlinck's "Life of the Bee"
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-..__... Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 10:20 PM
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24. All that...
and "Devo"... "Are we not men?"



A shit sandwich still tastes like a shit sandwich no matter how many condiments you put on it.
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 10:18 PM
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22. Far more of a threat. The odds of you being hurt by al-Qaeda are small
IF al-Qaeda exists at all, it is a pretty small group....expecially now that the First Fool has eliminated 3/4 of them.

Your odds of being hit by lightening are probably higher. Your odds of being hurt by RW extremists is far greater.
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-..__... Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 10:31 PM
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26. Physical threats to myself and harm I can deal with.
Edited on Sun Nov-14-04 10:36 PM by D__S
I manage every time I get behind the steering wheel.

It's the threats and usurpation against the Constitution and Bill of Rights that concerns me.

The "Fundies" and Religous Right would just as well wipe their ass with it and replace it with their own manifesto or pogrom.
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Pushed To The Left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 10:19 PM
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23. Al Quaeda is much worse BUT
Edited on Sun Nov-14-04 10:20 PM by Pushed To The Left
both Al Quaeda and the religious right have one thing in common: They both must be defeated.

www.aclu.org
www.pfaw.org
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-04 02:18 AM
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34. Why? BUSH has caused far more deaths of innocents than Al Qaeda has.
ANd BUSH will continue to cause far more deaths.

BUSH allowed Al Qaeda to win. TERRORISM does not mean KILL; it means to TERRIFY. And WHO has been using TERROR against Americans the past 3 years? BUSH.

WHO is taking away our civil liberties one by one? BUSH.

WHO says dissent = treason? BUSH.

Al Qaeda is small potatoes in comparison.
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SleepingDragon Donating Member (80 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 10:22 PM
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25. Read "The Battle for God" by Karen Armstrong
This is a scholarly, indepth analysis of Christian, Islamic and Jewish fundamentalism.

Fundamentalism is a modern political movement that takes traditional religious and theological themes and uses them to support the institution of the theocratic state.

A "must read" for understanding what we're up against.

:crazy:
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lthuedk Donating Member (551 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 10:45 PM
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27. Compare the death count of innocents:
3000 to 100,000 and counting. The fundifascist at work (image):

http://www.light-to-dark.com/beware_of_false_prophets.h...

Does he think there will be no revenge for his actions?

Bush's "thou shalt not kill" is hypocracy without limits.
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Neshanic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 11:35 PM
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28. CNN Presents. If the people on this do not scare you, nothing will.
Edited on Sun Nov-14-04 11:35 PM by Neshanic
The Fundamentalist Baptist Fascist Preacher.

The brainwashed Fundamentalist children.

The no negotiation of anything but the Bible as absolute truth.

If anyone here thinks it will not happen here; a theocracy, and homosexuality shoved back in a closet, delusion is your guide.

I know them, my friends were them, they do not accept anything but complete compliance. Watch, you will see.
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delete_bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 11:53 PM
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29. I'm watching right now,
voter registration in the foyer of the church, brainwashed little kids, the trance-like state these people get themselves into. 16 million Southern Baptists, who are such whack-jobs they don't even get along with other Baptists, much less mainstream Protestants. Scary stuff.
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Neshanic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 11:56 PM
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30. Fascist Baptist Preacher just said, no one is right if they are not BA
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JudyM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-04 12:03 AM
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31. Al Qaeda harm is in isolated instances; fundies are ruining democracy
Edited on Mon Nov-15-04 12:04 AM by JudyM
Check out this great but chilling article:

http://cleveland.indymedia.org/news/2004/10/12982.php

Excerpts:

...Many Christian fundamentalists feel that concern for the future of our planet is irrelevant, because it has no future. They believe we are living in the End Time, when the son of God will return, the righteous will enter heaven, and sinners will be condemned to eternal hellfire. They may also believe, along with millions of other Christian fundamentalists, that environmental destruction is not only to be disregarded but actually welcomed -- even hastened -- as a sign of the coming Apocalypse.

... We are not talking about a handful of fringe lawmakers who hold or are beholden to these beliefs. The 231 legislators (all but five of them Republicans) who received an average 80 percent approval rating or higher from the leading religious-right organizations make up more than 40 percent of the U.S. Congress. These politicians include some of the most powerful figures in the U.S. government, as well as key environmental decision makers: Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, Senate Majority Whip Mitch McConnell, Senate Republican Conference Chair Rick Santorum, Senate Republican Policy Chair Jon Kyl, House Speaker Dennis Hastert, House Majority Whip Roy Blunt, U.S. Attorney General John Ashcroft, and quite possibly President Bush.

...Like it or not, faith in the Apocalypse is a powerful driving force in modern American politics...

... In the past, it was not deemed politically correct to ask probing questions about a lawmaker's intimate religious beliefs. But when those beliefs play a crucial role in shaping public policy, it becomes necessary for the people to know and understand them. It sounds startling, but the great unasked questions that need to be posed to the 231 U.S. legislators backed by the Christian right, and to President Bush himself, are not the kind of softballs about faith lobbed at the candidates during the recent presidential debates. They are, instead, tough, specific inquiries about the details of that faith: Do you believe we are in the End Time? Are the governmental policies you support based on your faith in the imminent Second Coming of Christ? It's not an exaggeration to say that the fate of our planet depends on our asking these questions, and on our ability to reshape environmental strategy in light of the answers.
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sharman Donating Member (143 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-04 02:04 AM
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32. Fundies
Or, as I like to call them, "God Thugs."

They hate us for our freedoms.
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-04 02:11 AM
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33. As much of a threat? No. They're far MORE of a threat.
Al Qaeda et al have ALREADY WON; now the talibornagains are taking it even further.

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tommcintyre Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 12:03 AM
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35. Take a stand now! read in:
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