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EastofEdon Donating Member (435 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-04 05:40 AM
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Alan Keyes says incest awaits kids of gays
http://www.suntimes.com/output/elect/cst-nws-gay17.html

Keyes says incest awaits kids of gays

October 17, 2004

BY CHERYL V. JACKSON Staff Reporter

U.S. Senate candidate Alan Keyes told a rally Saturday that incest was
"inevitable" for children raised by gay couples because the children might not know
both biological parents.
"If we do not know who the mother is, who the father is, without knowing all
the brothers and sisters, incest becomes inevitable," Keyes told the Marquette
Park rally held to oppose same-sex marriages.

"Whether they mean it or not, that is what will happen. If you are masked
from your knowing your biological parents, you are in danger of encountering
brothers and sisters you have no knowledge of."
Across a road in the park, about 40 gay-rights proponents jeered. One said
the frequently controversial Keyes, a Republican running against Democratic
state Sen. Barack Obama, was trying to stir up voters.

"He's saying that as an incendiary remark to ignite upset moderates and
the mainstream," said Blake Wilkinson, a member of the Chicago Anti-Bashing
Network, which staged a counter-demonstration with Equal Marriage NOW! and the
black gay group Church of the Open Door. "I was raised to believe you grow up
and marry the person you love."
..more..
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MatrixEscape Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-04 05:47 AM
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1. He is STILL on that?
Edited on Mon Oct-18-04 05:47 AM by MatrixEscape
Does Maya agree with his opinion? Oddly, his homophobic rants get more attention than the story about his daughter being a lesbian.

Why doesn't he get his head out of the crotch and focus on the real issues that his job demans of him?

Go Obama! Cream this wingnut.
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-04 06:28 AM
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12. This guy is "MENTALLY ILL" no one seems to notice, whats up with that ??
Edited on Mon Oct-18-04 06:28 AM by sam sarrha
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-04 01:35 PM
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35. but he's not mentally ill, he is a very shrew religious zealot who
makes a lot of money off of his fundie followers just like the TV preachers
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ladybugg33 Donating Member (387 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-04 02:35 PM
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37. He should know.
That's all I can say.
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tinanator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-04 05:48 AM
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2. Andy Kaufman lives!
I knew it! Im onto you Andy! Excellent work. Excellent!
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DoctorMyEyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-04 05:50 AM
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3. What about adoptees?
Someone should ask him why children of gay couples are at so much risk, when I've never heard anyone make such a ridiculous assertion about adopted children.
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Inland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-04 06:20 AM
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9. It would be the same for all adoptees
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-04 05:54 AM
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4. Is Alan Keyes the dumbest person in America?
Theory: they have put Keyes up as a candidate to make George Bush look like Socrates in comparison.

Does he not understand how adoption works? Doesn't he realise that under his extremist ideas, there would be loads more children with unknown fathers (he even thinks contraception is a bad idea)?
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MarkTwain Donating Member (902 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-04 06:46 AM
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14. It's a Tie...
... with the puppet whose ass finds itself firmly implanted upon the hands of Dick Cheney and Karl Rove.
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TomClash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-04 05:56 AM
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5. So Keyes knows a lot about incest?
Edited on Mon Oct-18-04 05:56 AM by TomClash
Doesn't he have a lesbian daughter?
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-04 05:59 AM
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6. I'm just waiting for his gay daughter to walk up on stage
When he is vomiting at the mouth at one of his rallies, and just slap the shit out of him. At least Cheney doesn't insult his daughter every other day like this. Keyes probably doesn't have a close relationship with his daughter, and as he continues to show his true feeling, the relationship is getting colder every day. So much for the party of good parenting:eyes:
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Hav Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-04 06:11 AM
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8. .
These must be the famous family values they always talk about.
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Iris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-04 07:02 AM
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15. "party of good parenting":
That makes me laugh my ass off! Yet, they probably believe it's true.
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RivetJoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-04 06:02 AM
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7. What a dumbass N/T
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-04 06:25 AM
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10. has Lynne Cheney commented on this and expressed any outrage ?
or was she just outraged at Kerry for saying the Cheney's loved their daughter ?
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-04 06:26 AM
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11. when is this guy going to take his medication..did someone not notice he
TOTALLY INSANE ???? before they voted for him ?????
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-04 06:31 AM
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13. DEAR GOD
SHOULD I LAUGH OR CRY???????
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Vickers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-04 07:05 AM
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16. But...the kids are just gonna be gay anyway, so what does it matter?
:eyes:
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are_we_united_yet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-04 07:28 AM
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17. Alan
shut up
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expatriate Donating Member (853 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-04 07:33 AM
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18. So I reckon that adoptees, as well as
people conceived through anonymous artificial insemination and people who might not know who their fathers might be will also be at risk for marrying unknown brothers and sisters.

This is simply insane. Sadly, there are people out there who will gobble it right up.
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qb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-04 08:46 AM
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19. He's doing the GOP thing - projecting his repressed sexuality onto others.
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-04 08:54 AM
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20. he's insane
that guy is a major loon. a perfect icon for the illinois GOP.
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sonicx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-04 08:57 AM
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21. hey GOP, why aren't you commending him?
you guys LOVE gays now, where's the the commending?...
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Samurai_Writer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-04 08:57 AM
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22. Then what about adopted kids?
According to his logic, all 6 million+ adoptees in this country will 'inevitably' commit incest, because they do not know who their biological parents and siblings are.

What an idiot.
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Unstuck In Time Donating Member (411 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-04 09:10 AM
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23. Alan Keyes should just die.
Seriously, if he got run over by a bus today, the world would be -- in a real, measurable way -- a much better place.
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noonwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-04 09:50 AM
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24. It's a good thing he doesn't have a chance of winning!
Lunatic.
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Paragon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-04 10:28 AM
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25. This is like Bill O'Reilly calling someone a pervert.
Expect an Alan Keyes incest scandal soon. :D
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foreigncorrespondent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-04 10:40 AM
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26. Oh fuck you Keyes!
It is quite obvious to me, Mr Keyes, that you do not house a brain between your ears! You don't know a damn thing about sexual abuse in children, do you?

Well guess what fool, I do, because I can talk from experience, and quite frankly, I didn't know both my parents, and the person who mollested me, was fucking straight!

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opstachuck Donating Member (184 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-04 10:40 AM
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27. if adoption and abortion are wrong...
maybe we should shoot their cryogenically frozen fetuses into space in the hopes that aliens will find them. that virtually eliminates the possibility of them having sex with their siblings and preserves the dignity that every ball of cells truly deserves.
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skypilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-04 10:43 AM
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28. Alan Keyes seems to be trying to outdo...
...Rick Santorum in the gay-obsessed, homophobic whack-job department. They're about neck and neck.
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-04 10:45 AM
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29. I hope that Alan Keyes can do to the US GOP
what he has done to the Illinois GOP. He has completely destroyed any credibility they may have had.

Even Peter Fitzgerald thinks that this guy is a fuckup.
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-04 12:53 PM
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30. the man is completely insane n/t
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politicat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-04 01:23 PM
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31. He better get behind abortion rights then...
Because that means adoption is immoral and leads to the possibility of incest, too.

We can't have orphanages, because that would put thousands of children in communities where they grow up together and might fall in love and not know their parents were the same.

I really wish he'd think his premises through before opening his big mouth.

This was a huge medieval argument against visiting brothels, as it happens. I suppose we COULD put all of the abandoned children into monasteries and convents and let them be celibate for life... /sarcasm off....

Pcat
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LagunaBeach Donating Member (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-04 01:25 PM
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32. Desperate
Keyes is simply amazing. How any percentage support him is amazing and makes me...scared, frankly.
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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-04 01:27 PM
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33. Alan Keyes is going to force incest on gay families?!
He's a madman!
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ibegurpard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-04 01:30 PM
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34. That doesn't even come CLOSE to making sense.
Many of the right-wing arguments, although fallacious, might make sense on the face of them. But to argue that incest could happen because the children of gays or lesbians might not know their brothers or sisters is just ridiculous. That could happen with ANY adoption. If he's concerned about this he should be advocating for open adoption.
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Maestro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-04 01:36 PM
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36. That doesn't even make sense
and the chances of any adopted child hooking up with a biological parent in the future is statistically insignificant so it seems here that he is just making crap up to try to justify his stupid, asinine position.
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