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MaryH (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 01:55 PM Original message |
What Do You Think of Terry Shiavo case? |
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loveable liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 01:58 PM Response to Original message |
1. she's got no brain function |
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Cheswick2.0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 02:04 PM Response to Reply #1 |
8. she is taking up valuabl;e resources? HUH? |
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The empressof all (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 02:24 PM Response to Reply #1 |
22. Valuable Resources Argument |
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Mike Daniels (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 03:22 PM Response to Reply #22 |
52. Given that the husband may be responsible for her condition.... |
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carpetbagger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 06:41 PM Response to Reply #52 |
72. How do you choke someone to make their potassium go down? |
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951 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 05:30 PM Response to Reply #1 |
60. So simply put shes a real-life zombie? |
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janx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 06:53 PM Response to Reply #60 |
75. I don't know that I'd put it quite that unkindly-- |
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Cheswick2.0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 01:58 PM Response to Original message |
2. The parents have petitioned the government for her custody |
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vi5 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 02:00 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. If I'm in that situation... |
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Cheswick2.0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 02:06 PM Response to Reply #4 |
9. you are not her and he has no documentation nor has he taken care of |
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janx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 02:16 PM Response to Reply #9 |
19. That money is almost gone, Ches. |
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BOHICA06 (886 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 02:18 PM Response to Reply #19 |
20. That's what he and his lawyer said! |
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janx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 05:58 PM Response to Reply #20 |
64. Here is what the Schindlers' lawyer said last night: |
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Cheswick2.0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 02:49 PM Response to Reply #19 |
40. the bank records are not available |
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vi5 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 02:42 PM Response to Reply #9 |
33. Are they still legally husband and wife? |
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Cheswick2.0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 02:51 PM Response to Reply #33 |
42. no that is not the bottom line...how bizarre for you to say so |
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vi5 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 03:08 PM Response to Reply #42 |
49. From what I've read about this case... |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 08:57 PM Response to Reply #49 |
78. I agree. All any of us has |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 02:10 PM Response to Reply #2 |
15. I don't think he would inherit anything, actually. |
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Peregrine (712 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 02:39 PM Response to Reply #2 |
30. There is no money left to inherit |
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shawn703 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 04:05 PM Response to Reply #2 |
58. Not about the money |
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vi5 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 01:58 PM Response to Original message |
3. If I'm married, my wife should make my decision and vice versa.. |
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Cheswick2.0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 02:08 PM Response to Reply #3 |
12. he has not been her husband for years and they were only married |
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RivetJoint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 02:01 PM Response to Original message |
5. It's up to the husband. |
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MaryH (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 02:06 PM Response to Reply #5 |
10. Hmmm |
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Cheswick2.0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 02:09 PM Response to Reply #10 |
14. she is not brain dead |
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MaryH (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 02:14 PM Response to Reply #14 |
17. Have they determined that she has some brain activity? |
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Cheswick2.0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 02:53 PM Response to Reply #17 |
43. if she had no brain activity she would be on life support |
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phylny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 05:38 PM Response to Reply #43 |
62. I think you need to check your facts. |
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RivetJoint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 02:16 PM Response to Reply #10 |
18. Her Husband HAS "custody" |
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Cheswick2.0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 02:54 PM Response to Reply #18 |
44. bullshit |
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vi5 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 03:13 PM Response to Reply #44 |
50. If they are not divorced then they weren't married "long ago".. |
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Scootman78 (87 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 06:25 PM Response to Reply #44 |
67. The law is the law |
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Dookus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 06:36 PM Response to Reply #44 |
70. There are no degrees of marriage |
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liberalnurse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 02:03 PM Response to Original message |
6. I think it is too late now to cut off the feeding tube. |
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buff2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 02:03 PM Response to Original message |
7. The husband doesn't want her |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 02:08 PM Response to Original message |
11. The parents have tried everything but it's not easy |
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wickywom (383 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 02:09 PM Response to Original message |
13. That's exactly how I feel about.. |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 02:12 PM Response to Reply #13 |
16. Legally, under the law |
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wickywom (383 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 02:20 PM Response to Reply #16 |
21. He's an a- hole. |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 02:28 PM Response to Reply #21 |
24. She can not be euthanized because there are no legal |
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tishaLA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 02:46 PM Response to Reply #21 |
36. This isn't a case about her husband |
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janx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 06:31 PM Response to Reply #21 |
68. She won't be forced to consciously die of starvation |
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Cheswick2.0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 02:45 PM Response to Reply #13 |
35. and he won't even let them be with her while she dies |
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tishaLA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 02:48 PM Response to Reply #35 |
38. Good. |
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lgardengate (341 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 11:44 PM Response to Reply #38 |
83. She is there child and no one should be able to stop them from |
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Scootman78 (87 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 06:18 PM Response to Reply #35 |
65. He won't let them be with her because they can't obey the law |
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sui generis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 02:26 PM Response to Original message |
23. he needs to give custody back to the parents |
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MaryH (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 02:31 PM Response to Reply #23 |
26. If there is no documentation from a sound patient then |
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tishaLA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 02:28 PM Response to Original message |
25. The husband has the final say |
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MaryH (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 02:33 PM Response to Reply #25 |
28. Does she still have brain activity? |
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Scootman78 (87 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 06:23 PM Response to Reply #28 |
66. That's where the debate lies |
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janx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 06:40 PM Response to Reply #66 |
71. You're close-- |
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maveric (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 02:32 PM Response to Original message |
27. I work with patients like Terry Shiavo and have seen a similar situation. |
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MaryH (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 02:36 PM Response to Reply #27 |
29. What about severly retarded individuals? |
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ProfessorGAC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 02:40 PM Response to Reply #29 |
32. The Brain Is Still Functional In Those People |
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janx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 02:43 PM Response to Reply #29 |
34. Severely retarded inviduals still have a cerebral cortex. |
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Cheswick2.0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 02:58 PM Response to Reply #34 |
46. Janx, where is the proof that she has no cerebral cortex |
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janx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 03:32 PM Response to Reply #46 |
54. Here's one of the more comprehensive and objective |
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maveric (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 02:48 PM Response to Reply #29 |
37. The severly retarded dont make living trusts that express |
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Cheswick2.0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 02:56 PM Response to Reply #27 |
45. exuse me but these cases are not the same |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 11:37 PM Response to Reply #27 |
82. It's pretty sad, but do you think this woman feels anything? |
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janx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 02:39 PM Response to Original message |
31. The government should have *nothing* to do with this. n/t |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 02:51 PM Response to Reply #31 |
41. thank you janx... And God save me from ever having to make |
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janx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 05:34 PM Response to Reply #41 |
61. Yeah. God save all of us from having to do it. Living Will. |
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phylny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 05:42 PM Response to Reply #41 |
63. This is why I've gone to my lawyer |
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Cheswick2.0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 03:00 PM Response to Reply #31 |
47. Why shouldn't the government have anything to do with this |
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janx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 03:43 PM Response to Reply #47 |
56. Because politicians are not doctors. It starts getting really |
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GodHelpUsAll2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 10:45 PM Response to Reply #47 |
79. Kind of |
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ismnotwasm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 02:49 PM Response to Original message |
39. I have been a long-term care nurse |
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Cheswick2.0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 03:03 PM Response to Reply #39 |
48. The long term care nurses at her nursing home has testified against |
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ismnotwasm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 03:26 PM Response to Reply #48 |
53. Then the case makes more sense |
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ismnotwasm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 03:35 PM Response to Reply #48 |
55. And I would be furious with any Doctor |
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carpetbagger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 06:51 PM Response to Reply #48 |
74. Speech therapy won't work without a speech center of the brain. |
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janx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 08:30 PM Response to Reply #74 |
77. Your posts on this subject are very helpful. |
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shawn703 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 03:15 PM Response to Original message |
51. Well the problem is |
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janx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 03:46 PM Response to Reply #51 |
57. That pretty much defines what's going on. It's such a sad |
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MUSTANG_2004 (688 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 05:29 PM Response to Reply #51 |
59. It's messier than that |
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Dookus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 06:35 PM Response to Original message |
69. I think she's |
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janx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 06:45 PM Response to Reply #69 |
73. I agree with you, Dookus (as you can see from my posts). |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 11:35 PM Response to Reply #69 |
81. No degrees of marriage? |
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Dookus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 11:51 PM Response to Reply #81 |
84. yes |
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lgardengate (341 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 06:59 PM Response to Original message |
76. IMO The husband wants her dead. Parents tried to get.... |
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shrike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 11:02 PM Response to Reply #76 |
80. Caring for a disabled person is very difficult and expensive |
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