Novak is on CNN saying his sources in Washington are saying

[Swede]

"After the election in Iraq,let's declare victory and go home."
These bastards will have killed around 1500 soldiers and god know's how many Iraqis for nothing.

[BlueEyedSon]

1. Excellent, an acknowledgment that the Bush Doctrine FAILED!!! nt

[Eric J in MN]

2. It's bull. It's a repeat of Nixon's secret plan to end the war

which Nixon continued from 1969-1973.

Bush is building 14 US military bases in Iraq.

[madmax]

3. Great, leave the country to civil war

and a hot bed for terrorists. bush surely f*cked us all.

[leesa]

14. There is not one thing the United States continued presence can do to

prevent that WE are the reason they are in a civil war.
We have zero credibility in Iraq or anywhere else in the world for that matter.

WE CAN'T fix it.

All we can do is withdraw and pay restitution for the rest of our natural lives for the war crimes and destruction we illegally caused.

[Career Prole]

4. He said he talked to the Kerry campaign. I call bullshit.

Nobody in the campaign would take a call from that used-up whore.

[maryallen]

21. Novak probably talked to Carville ...

Across the table on the set of CNN.

[teryang]

5. humpty dumpty sat on a wall....n/t

[DenverDem]

6. kkkarl rove is saying that?

We know who his "sources" are, traitorous bastards.

btw Nobody is leaving all that oil, so this is more novakula bull shit.

[Maple]

7. Quagmire:

A quagmire (from "quake" + "mire") is, literally, shaky, miry ground; as a political term used to describe a foreign military campaign in which there is either no foreseeable possibility of victory or the objectives are unclearly defined, and at the same time no clear exit strategy has been formulated in the absence of victory. The military campaign is likened to a kind of swamp or marsh in which the warring nation is unable to remove itself.

Typically, a quagmire occurs when a major power attempts with little success to subdue a foreign guerrilla insurgency. Often matters of national pride or belief in military invincibility are the cause of the lack of an exit strategy. The classic examples of quagmires were the American involvement in the Vietnam War and the Soviet war in Afghanistan. It is often humorously suggested that the best way to resolve the military impasse associated with a quagmire is to simply "declare victory and go home."

http://www.webster-dictionary.org/definition/quagmire

[enough]

8. How do you ask a soldier

to be the last one to die for a MISTAKE?

[BlueEyedSon]

23. You mean a LIE.

[Gloria]

9. This isn't the first time he's said this.....

I know I caught him saying this a couple of months ago....

But I've also heard more reputable talk that both a Kerry or Bush Admin. would try to quietly declare victory and start pulling out. Who knows?

[leesa]

13. They are definitely floating this to see what happens

The wars are big time poltical poison.

[VegasWolf]

10. What??? and leave Haliburton all alone to deal

with a possible theocratic government? The new government
might want the FRENCH to get the oil out of the ground!

[Roy Robertson]

18. Wouldn't THAT just fry their spuds!!! (and Bienvenue!!) (nfm)

[wtmusic]

11. That's just the tip of the iceberg if we leave in January

They expect everyone to go home and worship their Allawi-idol? Not a chance!!

[leesa]

12. Which sources are those, traitor Novak?

[Crachet2004]

15. Bushco knows that Kerry bashing on the war for the next six weeks...

Is really going to hurt the GOP. Soooo...they are spreading the lie that Bush will leave Iraq after the election, hoping to buck their support up.

We have been slow to counter tactics like this. We have a wedge between Bush and the voters (the war), now we need to drive it with the biggest hammer we can find.

If Kerry has a fault, I believe it is that he likes to keep his options open for TOO LONG. He doesn't like to say any more of what he would do than he has to, for fear of tying his own hands in the future. This is a thinking mans mistake.

The other side is quick on their feet, and if we let them, they will have everyone believing we are leaving Iraq as soon as the election is over...as long as Bush wins.

Nothing could be further from the truth, of course; and if we continue beating the anti-war drums, Bush will continue to run from the war...or try and convince everyone what a good idea it was, like today, at the UN.

The mere fact he was AT the UN, shows he is worried about the impact his 'go it alone strategy' is having in voters minds.

Kerry needs to keep the pressure on, even if it means he must make commitments of his own.

This is what people will respect, and it is what will win the election.

For example, the line he has on energy independence, about not sending young Americans to fight overseas to secure oil...that we should be independent of all that. Great stuff.

[goclark]

16. Did he thank ROVE for the "tip?"

[Strelnikov_]

17. They Are Not Going To Pull Out Of Iraq, And Leave All That Oil Behind

no matter what Novak says.

It has always been about the oil.

Crude Dudes
The Toronto Star
Sep. 20, 2004

http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1095545411401&call_pageid=968332188854&col=968350060724

. . .

Gheit just smiles at the notion that oil wasn't a factor in the U.S. invasion of Iraq. He compares Iraq to Russia, which also has large undeveloped oil reserves. But Russia has nuclear weapons. "We can't just go over and ... occupy (Russian) oil fields," says Gheit. "It's a different ballgame." Iraq, however, was defenceless, utterly lacking, ironically, in weapons of mass destruction. And its location, nestled in between Saudi Arabia and Iran, made it an ideal place for an ongoing military presence, from which the U.S. would be able to control the entire Gulf region. Gheit smiles again: "Think of Iraq as a military base with a very large oil reserve underneath .... You can't ask for better than that."

. . .

One reason that regime change in Iraq was seen as offering significant benefits for Big Oil was that it promised to open up a treasure chest which had long been sealed — private ownership of Middle Eastern oil. A small group of major international oil companies once privately owned the oil industries of the Middle East. But that changed in the 1970s when most Middle Eastern countries (and some elsewhere) nationalized their oil industries. Today, state-owned companies control the vast majority of the world's oil resources. The major international oil companies control a mere 4 per cent.

The majors have clearly prospered in the new era, as developers rather than owners, but there's little doubt that they'd prefer to regain ownership of the oil world's Garden of Eden. "(O)ne of the goals of the oil companies and the Western powers is to weaken and/or privatize the world's state oil companies," observes New York-based economist Michael Tanzer, who advises Third World governments on energy issues.

. . .

[kevin881]

19. bump

they need the military there to protect the oil fields.
if they could pull out that easily, the elections would be october 30th, and the troops pull out november 1.

[K-W]

20. Novak is a propaganda machine, he knows nothing about anything.

He is fed information for a reason.

This is absolute crap. They invaded Iraq to put bases in it, and they sure as hell arent leaving.

[Nordic]

22. uh .... we're building 14 military bases there. Permanent ones

which is one of the reasons we invaded in the first place.

http://www.laweekly.com/ink/04/13/news-cooper.php

So Novak is full of SHIT. This is a lie the RW is putting out because they know that's what Americans want now.

But we all know that the RW doesn't give a flying fuck what Americans want. They just don't give a damn about democracy

[Disturbed]

24. w says he will stand his ground...

unfortunately for a lot of Iraqis and the Occupation forces, he's standing on quicksand.

[leftchick]

25. agreed... The US is planning on being there as long...

as there is oil. Novak is being used by his pal rove to divert attention away from the true intentions of the neo-cons...

[OneTwentyoNine]

26. This is the last frontier in Bush propaganda.....

He has the War mongers on his side but he needs the others who think this War will continue forever. So...just have Novakula keep pimping this light at the end of the tunnel scenario.

If Chimp wins we'll be right back to staying the course and "we won't stay in Iraq one day longer than we need to" line of Bullshit.

David

[Stephanie]

27. What about the 14 "enduring bases"???

Why don't they talk about that? Those murdered contractors were over there building these bases.

[archineas]

28. another thought to contribute...

i don't think this is a ploy for votes now. i think this is the first salvo for 2008. it might even be indicative of a gop machine which sees a loss coming in november and is setting the table for 2008.

if they float the idea that 'bush would have pulled out of iraq in january of 05 if he'd been reelected, and kerry kept us there longer', it gives them an edge, and a talking point they can harp on for quite some time. we already know their talking points don't have to be rooted in fact.

i think this is one of those lies that, if it's said enough over the next few years, will seem to too many people to be the truth.

someone needs to get novak's ass fired for putting the life of a cia agent in jeopardy...sources...bah!

j

[Cocoa]

29. Bush is never pulling out

he plans to establish bases there and expand the war. A draft will be a certainty.