OSWALD was CIA -- (OFFICIAL)

Lo! Check out what Prison Planet discovered: The official CIA memo admitting Lee Harvey Oswald worked for the CIA.



Source:

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/september2004/1609...

This ain't no fake.

I didn't think I'd live to see the day.

I mean it's what we knew but still - right there in black and white!

My country. My country.

I'm working on getting the specs. Too emotional at present to be worth much. Thought you and DU needed to know ASAFP.

Please explain to the youngsters what is so incredible about finding this out. They might not realize the import.

EOM

November 22, 1963 is the day President John F. Kennedy died. He was proud to be a Liberal Democrat in the tradition of the Democratic Party of President Franklin Delano Roosevelt and President Harry S Truman.

These leaders were statesmen, who believed in using the powers of government to make ours a better nation for ALL Americans. Liberal Democrats believe in the Constitution where it says:

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

There were 1,036 days from Jan. 20, 1961 to November 22, 1963. That’s 24,864 hours or 1,491,840 minutes or 89,510,400 seconds.

The period’s been called the thousand days of Camelot. Really just a blink of an eye, for America it means more than that. It truly was a legendary time and America truly was a magical place — a place where anything was possible.

Consider what President Kennedy worked to achieve: He raised the minimum wage, cut taxes, kept America from nuclear annihilation twice, maintained world peace, set about to bring equal rights for all Americans, got the country to invest in the arts and education, and set out to do the impossible — land an American on the Moon and return him safely to the Earth. He did all that in a thousand days.

A thousand days. That is not much time considering how much JFK accomplished. And President Kennedy used each day to make ours a better nation for ALL Americans.

My, how things have changed. Here’s a bit of reality programming — what’s happened in the 14,869 days since November 22, 1963:

• Vietnam
• Guatemala
• Chile
• Watergate
• October Surprise
• El Salvador
• Reagan Survives Hinckley and Bush
• Voodoo Economics
• INSLAW/Promis
• Haiti
• Iraq-gate / Banca Nazionale del Lavoro arms
• BCCI International Money Laundering for Terrorists & Intelligence Community
• Savings & Loan scandal in general and Silverado in particular
• Iran-contra Guns/Drugs/Martial Law
• Gulf War I Glaspie Gives Go-Ahead
• Selection 2000 Shreds US Constitution
• Tax Cuts for UltraRich
• Criminal Justice Department
• Suicidal Environmental Policy
• ENRON Energy Policy
• 9-11 Criminal Negligence, at best; Treason, most likely
• Illegal Iraq Invasion

It’s interesting in reviewing the above list, just how much conservative neo-con corrupt Republican leadership has really been a Contract On America. The list demonstrates there have been puhlenty of business opportunities in the finance, energy, and defense industries; But, that brief listing doesn’t sound like it’s been a good deal for the average American for the past four decades.

And while there have been occasional flashes of the old Democratic magic in the administrations of James Earl Carter and William Jefferson Clinton, the fact of the matter is things haven’t really been the same since JFK’s leadership.

While times may change, one name runs through all the history, the four decades since the JFK administration. Since the very hour of President Kennedy’s death, and through the list of sinister events and unrelenting nefarity noted above — a record of infamy stretching back 40 years, 8 months and 16 days — appears the name George Herbert Walker Bush.

— Octafish

Here's a relevant thread from 7 August 2004:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

I have a picture of Kennedy on my dresser, shaking hands with my Grandpa.

I was too young (15) and otherwise involved to understand politics or what Kennedy was all about to any extent, but that doesn't mean he didn't affect my life in a profound way, or that his death isn't still a wound I'll carry to my grave, as so many of us who were alive then will.

My good friend Hedda_Foil recommended this now online book to me a year or so ago (also available thru Amazon and elsewhere I think), and it's stunning. I recommend it to EVERYone who is interested in who Kennedy was as a Democratic President, what he stood for, why he inspired a generation (and more), why his assassination STILL matters (on so many levels) and is still incredibly pertinent to the good and future of this country, and perhaps especially why he was assassinated, and by whom (in broad strokes). Hedda asked me to let her know what I thought of the book, and I hadn't gotten past the first few chapters before I called her and said just that: "Now I understand why he had to die."

Farewell America by James Hepburn
http://www.jfk-online.com/farewell00.html

I think Farewell America was written in the early 1970s. Please read it, everyone.

Wasn't George H. W. Bush there in Dallas during/for the assassination?

Bush claims that he was intransit from Tyler to Dallas on the 22nd. Why was that statement included in the memorandum? Perhaps to provide 'official' cover?

The guy Parrott whom Bush fingers, I think he was actually a local political opponent of Bush's, IIRC. So he manages to include a little character assassination by implicating this guy to get checked out by Hoover's FBI. Fits the Bush MO on campaigning.

This time I'll save the JPG of this memo... how many degrees of separation are there now between the Bush crime family and every bad thing that's happened in my life time? Not many.

It's the TRUTH, they really are THE BFEE.

...THANK YOU.

I'm speechless.

Thanks.

George Herbert Walker Bush is all over everyone of the events mentioned.

You have always been so clear about all this.

She'll want to see this.

Please let us know what your mom says.

Thanks to 2004 Victory, at Post #125, ...

Before this, the only proof of the connection I knew of was the 544 Camp Street address stamped on the Fair Play for Cuba flyers Oswald handed out. But there it is in black and white: Bannister was Oswald's case officer from the Chicago FBI office. No wonder he was silenced that very year that this memo was written.

Thanks Octafish!

What's the background on this?

The guy's a regular crime-stopper, I tell ya.

Can't wait to hear the bullshit on this one.

But she does know the contents are correct.

They should use a typewriter. The MS Word "Memorandum" at the top is a dead giveaway.

There are more important issues to pursue that faked documents pertaining to 40 year old events.

pre-printed letterhead? When I worked for "the goverment" back in the 60's we had letterhead and pre-printed memo blanks with the "to" and "from" also preprinted. What does give me pause, though, is that all pre-printed government forms have the form # and date printed on the bottom and this does not show that. Everything else looks completely compatible with government preprinted forms of the time.

You're right.

BTW: Here's a nice pair:

The first FBI memo, dated the day of JFK's murder, talks about "Mr. George H.W. Bush" of Zapata Offshore petroleum. Bush ratted out a college Republican. Well whadyaknow?



The second FBI memo, dated a week later, describes what J Edgar Hoover discovered from "Mr. George Bush of the Central Intelligence Agency." Bush said the anti-Castro Cubans had nuthin' to do with it. Um. OK.



Source:

http://www.internetpirate.com/bush.htm

Gee. So, the name "Bush" comes up with the murder of a U.S. President? Must be one lucky family, those Bushes.

...In the first memo it states that HW was proceeding to Dallas and would be there through the 23rd. JFK was murdered on the 22nd. Why was that relevant info if he was just a "businessman"? The only way that is relevant is if....(think about it)

....interesting eh?

This is a crime family the likes of which the United Stated has never seen...

* has to go.....

Would Bush have had any reason to be unhappy with Kennedy given RFK's non-support of the Bay of Pigs and his documented concern about the growing lawlessness of the CIA?

Why Bay of Pigs? I think the Bushes had big sugar interests in Cuba before Castro nationalized the asset. It's not political ideology that motivates a Bush....it's the smell of money.

interest because of the following passage from "Plausible Denial" by Mark Lane, p.332: 'The name Zapata was Bush's good luck charm, symbolic of the two successful operations in his public career as a businessman. While Bush resided in Houston with Barbara and ran Zapata during 1961, the CIA planned the Bay of Pigs invasion. The top secret name given by the CIA to plan for the invasion of Cuba, known only to a select few, was "Operation Zapata"......'vessels from the Navy that he (Prouty) has located at a U.S. Navy storage facility utilized by the military. They were sent to an inactive Naval Base near Elizabeth City, North Carolina where the colors of the U.S. Navy were painted over. Train loads of military equipment were delivered to dockside while ships were being made seaworthy. New names were painted on the ships for their historic mission-the launching of "Operation Zapata". The new names were "Barbara" and "Houston".

Given our knowledge of the bushie today there are a few questions that need answers. Was Bush in the CIA at the of Kennedy's death? What role did he play in the disastrous Bay of Pigs? What did he have to gain if Kennedy was discredited by the failure of the Bay of Pigs? Did he have contact with Oswald?

I read the book long ago but think it gives a good overview of some of the possible conspiracy theories of the time.

VOTE: KERRY/EDWARDS

... the Government of the United States of America. Until 22 November 1963, it was unthinkable.

PS: Those who say the perpetrators are all dead and forgotten are wrong.



Please check out Post # 11.

...association with the FBI and the Office of Naval Intelligence, the latter of which appears to have been his "home" agency. If I remember correctly, Banister in New Orleans was a "former" ONI operative. Major John Newman, auther of "The CIA and Oswald", stated that Oswald did indeed have a CIA 201 personnel file.

When reference is made to his participation to the "aerial reconnaisance of China", that is in fact a reference to Oswald's assignment while in the USMC as a radar operator for the U-2 program which flew out of the air base in Atsugi, Japan. Harold Weisberg stated that Oswald had a "crypto" clearance, so it appears that McCone was trying to conceal that fact from Rowley or anyone else that read the memo.

Man...I'd love to read that entire memo!!

I'd always assumed the U-2 flying out of Japan -- until reading this memo page -- was spying on the Soviets. Of course, I should have considered overflights of Red China, but had not given that any consideration. Japan is perfect location for both. D'oh.

We've had evidence Oswald was OUR spy for a while. Remember how the Dallas PD found a MINOX camera (not MINOX "light meter" as the BFEE turds report) among his belongings? That camera -- very tiny, very expensive, and high-quality -- meant LHO knew how to set a shutter speed and an f-stop while walking 'round the Minsk countryside. Its presence implies the guy probably knew what to point it at.

And speaking of "aerial reconnaisance," what about Oswald getting a "job" on his return from the Soviet Union at Jaggers-Chiles-Stovall in Dallas? That place, IIRC, did a lot of "aerial reconnaisance" photo work.

Has a documentary, and more memo's than just this one.

If you watch both the documentary and the documentation that it has, along with the other one with Admiral Prouty, you will see that Stone is probably right.

Prouty was sent to Antarctica for two weeks in November 1962 to run security for some diplomats.

If he had been in the States, he would have been in charge of security in Dallas that day.

The character that Donald Sutherland is based on him, and in the interview, he says that he doesn't say anything except what he knows, and he has the documentation to prove it.

It's not that he says he has direct proof, just that when you put it all together, it is pretty obvious that it was an "inside" job.

Jim Garrison was trying to prove that the suspects knew each other, and therefore there was a conspiricy.

The government denied that they ever worked for the CIA, FBI, or had any previous contacts, by disallowing evidence.

We now know that almost every one of them, Ruby, Oswald, Ferry, etc all worked for the government at some point.

broad strokes. Of course, I didn't see it until about a year ago, when I knew a lot more about the whole matter.

Octafish -- I nearly burst into tears reading your subject line. Thanks. Thanks very much.

There will be no "left" and "right" once the Truth about the BFEE is known. EVERYBODY is going to be mighty sore and interested in Justice.

The highly politicized post-Vietnam War officer corps studied the efficacy of military coup in the USA.

Rumsfeld continues with "force transformation" and Revolution in Military Affairs/RMA.

President Clinton was focused upon in this futuristic narative that won awards in the DoD, a future that has it's locus in a post- military coup USA.

Revolution in Political and Military Affairs/RPMA (Oct. 1996-USAF/INSS)
http://www.guerrillacampaign.com/coup.htm

...There's a majority of good people in uniform and government service. They can see the BFEE at work and play as we. At least, that's what keeps me from going insane with all this shit going through my gulliver.

Thanks, bobthedrummer! I agree wholeheartedly about our Constitution. Perhaps we can do what Robert F. Kennedy said about the things good people do in what must be one of the greatest orations of modern times:

Address of Senator Robert F. Kennedy: Day of Affirmation

University of Capetown, South Africa
June 6, 1966

Mr. Chancellor, Mr. Vice Chancellor, Professor Robertson, Mr. Diamond, Mr. Daniel, Ladies and Gentlemen:

I come here this evening because of my deep interest and affection for a land settled by the Dutch in the mid-seventeenth century, then taken over by the British, and at last independent; a land in which the native inhabitants were at first subdued, but relations with whom remain a problem to this day; a land which defined itself on a hostile frontier; a land which has tamed rich natural resources through the energetic application of modern technology; a land which was once the importer of slaves, and now must struggle to wipe out the last traces of that former bondage. I refer, of course, to the United States of America.

SNIP...

There is," said an Italian philosopher, "nothing more difficult to take in hand, more perilous to conduct, or more uncertain in its success than to take the lead in the introduction of a new order of things." Yet this is the measure of the task of your generation and the road is strewn with many dangers.

First is the danger of futility; the belief there is nothing one man or one woman can do against the enormous array of the world's ills -- against misery, against ignorance, or injustice and violence. Yet many of the world's great movements, of thought and action, have flowed from the work of a single man. A young monk began the Protestant reformation, a young general extended an empire from Macedonia to the borders of the earth, and a young woman reclaimed the territory of France. It was a young Italian explorer who discovered the New /world, and 32 year old Thomas Jefferson who proclaimed that all men are created equal. "Give me a place to stand," said Archimedes, "and I will move the world." These men moved the world, and so can we all. Few will have the greatness to bend history; but each of us can work to change a small portion of the events, and in the total of all these acts will be written the history of this generation. Thousands of Peace Corps volunteers are making a difference in the isolated villages and the city slums of dozens of countries. Thousands of unknown men and women in Europe resisted the occupation of the Nazis and many died, but all added to the ultimate strength and freedom of their countries. It is from numberless diverse acts of courage such as these that the belief that human history is thus shaped. Each time a man stands up for an ideal, or acts to improve the lot of others, or strikes out against injustice, he sends forth a tiny ripple of hope, and crossing each other from a million different centers of energy and daring those ripples build a current which can sweep down the mightiest walls of oppression and resistance.

"If Athens shall appear great to you," said Pericles, "consider then that her glories were purchased by valiant men, and by men who learned their duty." That is the source of all greatness in all societies, and it is the key to progress in our own time.

CONTINUED...

http://www.rfkmemorial.org/RFK/affirmation2.htm

Tell me something I don't know! Ozzie was set up and utilized by the Faustian machinations of the Shadow govt. Say it loud and profound Corporate America!
One of the agenda's of JFK prior to his corporate shredding was to dismantle the Federal Reserve! That alone would invite a bullet to say the least.

Check out what Ms. Janet Linke, wife of Smirk's fellow TANG pilot Peter Linke, reported in the story about W's fear of flying:

"We were told his father was very wealthy Texan with CIA connections."

Source:

http://www.legitgov.org/essay_eastman_bush_fear_of_flyi...

She said the year was 1973, when her husband died in a drunken-driving accident.

This says nothing more than that. All U-2 missions were CIA operated. There is certainly language that hints that they might be concerned with something more than that, but nothing in this seems all that surprising to me.

Big deal, rogue CIA agents working with the mafia and anti-castro cubans, in conjunction with the texas oilmen represented by GHW Bush killed him for flubbing the bay of pigs, thats news? Ooops, I left out the reverse vampires.

McCone says Oswald's "defection" was a ruse, and he was on assignment in Minsk.

Not that we didn't know already, but if the doc is genuine, this goes way beyond what has officially been admitted.

Oswald and the CIA

read that and see if you still feel the same way

That place did printing plus. Seems there's word they also did secret photo work for Uncle Sam while LHO worked there, making it an interesting place for a defector to land a job.

Did Ex-President Bush Know Lee Harvey Oswald?

EXCERPT (Thanks, 9215, wherever you are for the info from "The Man Who Knew Too Much")...

By the early autumn of 1962, Lee and Marina Oswald's relationship was already devolving into constant bickering. Thirteen days before Nagell's arrival in Dallas from Mexico to make some inquiries about him, on Oct. 10 Oswald had suddenly left his job at a Fort Worth metal factory, bid a temporary farewell to his family, and traveled alone the thirty miles to Dallas. Staying for a few days at a YMCA, opened his first of several post office boxes, Box 2915. On October 12 he suddenly found new employment with the Jaggers-Chiles-Stovall (JCS) photo-lithography firm for $1.35/hour. ...

JCS was an interesting place for a 'redefector' from the USSR to find a job. One of the company's contracts was doing classified work for the U.S. Army Map Service. In this context, employees set type for place names on maps of Cuba. Just days after Oswald arrived JCS, pictures taken by an American U2 spy plane would confirm the existence of Soviet missile launching pads.....

....Hundreds of dollars worth of photographic equipment were discovered by the Dallas police in Oswald's apartment ....

Oswald himself was never known to have been fond of taking long cross-country camera hikes in foreign lands. But someone else was. This was a well-connected Russian e'migre' some thirty years Oswald's senior,....Both the wife and daughter would tell the Warren Commission that it was he who had arranged for Oswald's employment at Jaggers-Chiles-Stovall. Not the Texas Employment Commission, as official records would have us believe.....

CONTINUED (SmirkingChimp GOOGLE cache)...

http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:qaHwSySygX0J:www.s...

Anyway, someone there got tired of LHO and he got canned. Here's the affidavit:

http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/gangl.htm

EdIT: tippo in the title

anti trust , monopoly, controlling prices, ,....the rumor was that
the Hunts of Texas, the oil Hunts had put out a contract on him

Wait a minute. Wasn't there a CIA or plumber by the name of Hunt?

I think that any rational person would have long believed that Oswald had some sort of CIA/military intelligence link. You just don't defect to Russia at the height of the Cold War and decide it was all a big mistake and be taken back by a grateful nation, especially someone who had been assigned to the U2.

If this document is real - and we need to get more information on that - it just pretty much confirms what's obvious.

if this document is real, doesn't it prove that the government has been lying all this time about Oswald?

I mean, it may not be news to people who know a lot about the assassination, but it is news to me that he is confirmed to have worked for the CIA. That certainly has never been the official story. So if this document is real, doesn't that raise a very reasonable question about what else the government might have suppressed?

I almost fell out of my chair when Colin Powell basically admitted last year that the CIA had Allende assassinated. Do they think there is some kind of statute of limitations on international murder? Do they think we're such idiots we'll just forgive and forget if they let a few decades pass before admitting to their atrocities?

"...Do they think we're such idiots we'll just forgive and forget if they let a few decades pass before admitting to their atrocities?"

Yes. Yes they do. And they're right

"So what. It was a long time ago and Kennedy was a communist anyway. He needed to die to change the way the country was going".

This is from a repug christian who says that "we need kill all the muslims in the ME or they'll kill us first".

ON SEPTEMBER 11? 1973, I believe it was.

It's a sure bet General, uh, Secretary Powell means it, too...

Secretary of State Colin L. Powell
Interview On Black Entertainment Television's Youth Town Hall

February 20, 2003

(excerpt on 1973 U.S. covert action in Chile)

(...)

MR. BRADLEY: Welcome back to BET OpenMic. Secretary of State Colin Powell is here to answer questions from our audience and from the Internet, our audience here in the studio, students from the Washington, D.C., metropolitan area. Let me go back here to get our next question. It is a follow-up from this young man. Your name and your question.

QUESTION: My name is James Dubek (ph). My question is that undoubtedly the United States considers itself the moral superior in this Iraq confrontation. My question is, despite past events such as in 1973 when the United States staged a coup in Chile on September 11th, despite the wishes of the Chilean populace against the coup, and in support -- and the populace in support of the democratically elected President Salvador Allende, the CIA, regardless, supported the coup of Augusto Pinochet and that resulted in mass deaths.

And my question is: Why does the United States now consider itself the moral superior enough to have nuclear weapons while Iraq -- while demanding that Iraq disarm, yet we still maintain our weapons?

SECRETARY POWELL: It's not a matter of us believing that we are morally superior. It is a matter of us recognizing a danger to the region and to the world. I wish nuclear weapons didn't exist. They do exist. The United States were the ones, we were the ones who invented them in the first place and we used them to end World War II. And other nations have acquired those weapons over the years, but for the most part, the major nations of the world who have nuclear weapons have arrangements with each other and they are under control and nobody is worried about that kind of a nuclear conflagration any longer.

But with Iraq, we have a regime that has attacked its neighbors, that has used gas against its neighbors, that has used chemical weapons, gas, against its own population, and has demonstrated an intent for years to use these weapons for not peaceful purposes and not to protect itself, but to be aggressive against other nations. And it is for that reason that the international community, not just the United States, but the United Nations, passed 16 resolutions, now with 1441 a 17th resolution, saying this is unacceptable.

So it is the will of the international community that Iraq disarm, and not just the moral superior position, as you describe it, of the United States. We have no desire to impose upon the Iraqi people a leadership that is to our choosing, but to give them an opportunity to choose their own leadership.

With respect to your earlier comment about Chile in the 1970s and what happened with Mr. Allende, it is not a part of American history that we're proud of. We now have a more accountable way of handling such matters and we have worked with Chile to help it put in place a responsible democracy.

One of the proudest moments of my life was going to Chile in the late '80s and speaking to all of the military officers in the Chilean armed forces, all the senior officers, and talking to them about democracy and elected representative government and how generals such as them and me -- I was a general at the time -- are accountable to civilian authority so that incidents of that kind or situations of that kind no longer arose.

<...>

Source: http://www.state.gov/secretary/rm/2003/17841.htm

Source for ABOVE: http://www.fas.org/irp/news/2003/02/dos022003.html

picture of him being greeted at the airport. he was not arrested. The greeting seemed cordial. This article was on the front page of the Courier-Journal newspaper.

He wasn't charged with treason - his passport was good as gold and he was given funds to return to the United States with his Russian family.

And this in an era when they fried the Rosenbergs...it defies logic, unless he was there on behalf of the US government to begin with. That's the only possible explanation.

It's called the "backstory" -- revealing or planting certain information, making it public so they (the CIA or other covert ops) will have a public knowing or believing certain things later which is advantageous to their operation, especially as part of the cover for that action. Make sense?

Why on earth would a nobody like Oswald get press coverage otherwise?

The Rosenberg's ended in 1953 and JFK in 1963.

If the CIA wanted to send an officer into the USSR to spy on them, do you think they're gonna just hand him a plane ticket to Moscow? Ah hell no. There would be two KGB officers standing next to the door. When Mr. Oswald walked through it, they would immediately throw him in the back seat of a car, take him to the Lubyanka, and put him in an uncharacteristically plush cell. They would feed him well, not interrogate him in any way, then a week or so later run him back out to the airport, put him on a flight back to the West, and be done with it.

Logic: if you're an overt agent and you're so expendable as to be allowed to fly to the Soviet Union in status, you don't know anything they give a shit about anyway.

Instead, they'd ship him over as an illicit then create some big stink about how one of our most valuable assets just up and defected to the Soviets and How Damaging To Our National Security This Is. After he's completed his mission, he'll decide he hates the Soviet Union and want to come home.

If Oswald was an authentic defector, and he authentically decided he hated the Soviet Union, immediately upon his return to the United States he would have been clapped in authentic irons, put in an authentic paddy wagon, given an authentic sentence of life without parole, and sent to an authentic jail where he would have authentically rotted.

said that he knew another "Texan" had it in for JFK. I guess he also meant co-worker.

The President had just been declared dead when, according to the FBI, they received a "telephonic" transmission from "George HW Bush, president of Zapata Off-shore Drilling Company" who named a young Republican(!) as a suspect. Here's the document:



It's a sure bet Bush did a lot of "drilling." Here's another memo, from J Edgar stating a "Mr. George Bush of the Central Intelligence Agency" discussed the assassination with members of the pro- and anti-Castro communities in Miami. Bush cleared the anti-Castro folks PDQ.



Source:

http://www.internetpirate.com/bush.htm

Well. This clears things up. They also help explain why Bush "doesn't remember" where he was on 22 November 1963.

Sorry if these are old hat. But they are, IMO, at present more important than the "new" memo in the original post. The reason:

BOTH OF THESE MEMOS ARE OFFICIAL, SOURCED FROM US GOVERNMENT ARCHIVES.

WHEN WILL GEORGE HERBERT WALKER BUSH EXPLAIN HIS ACTIONS?

WHEN WILL HE EXPLAIN HIS RELATIONSHIP TO THE KENNEDY ASSASSINATION.

WHEN WILL BUSH TELL THE TRUTH?

I've always wondered about Sirhan Sirhan too.

Isn't it odd that JFK AND RFK were both killed?

No CIA connections to RFK ???

Huuummm

Oswald and the CIA?

over a hundred pages of copies of CIA and related stuff, pretty much proving he was at least a contract agent

he's a prof at U MD, and challenged the provenance of that bogus Assassination Records Bureau

I talked to a couple of them on the radio right after his book came out, and they didn't want to hear about things like the lying bastard Helms perjuring himself, denying that Clay Shaw was deeply tied to the CIA, then recanting. they didn't even KNOW about that when I told them over the radio.

et cet r a

He's done great follow-ups to Oswald and the CIA, particularly with regard to the Mexico City CIA station.

For instance:

http://www.jfklancer.com/backes/newman/newman_1.html

Newman's a hero. His books on "JFK and Vietnam" and "Oswald and the CIA" are must-reads.

As a prof at West Point, he wanted to find out about the period before the "Pentagon Papers." In his work, Newman discovered NSAM 263 (National Security Action Memorandum) that indicated JFK ordered combat forces out of Vietnam after the 1964 election. He also found NSAM 273 that documented how LBJ reversed course the week after the assassination, meaning the US would commit whatever support was needed to guarantee the government of South Vietnam.

Newman's speaking at this super-conference on the Warren Commission in Washington this weekend. Here's a link:

The Warren Report and Its Legacy

http://www.AARCLibrary.com/notices/WarrenReportConferen...

he really is a source for truth....too bad that bizarroboy Posner somehow gets the mantle as THE expert on the conspiracy

what a joke

you two are amazing, btw

thanks for all the vital information/perspectives you always provide

The events of August-October 1963 relating to Vietnam, climaxing in the overthrow and assassination of Presidient Diem on November 1, 1963 may have had a more than coincidental connection to the assassination of President Kennedy on November 22, 1963. The most mysterious of those events was the telegram of August 24, 1963 that Averell Harriman somehow managed to sneak out behind Kennedy's back.


At this time, the group proposing escalation in Vietnam (as well as preparing the assassination of President Diem) had a heavy Brown Brothers, Harriman/Skull and Bones overtone: the hawks of 1961-63 were Harriman, McGeorge Bundy, William Bundy, Henry Cabot Lodge, and some key London oligarchs and theoreticians of counterinsurgency wars. And of course, George Bush during these years was calling for escalation in Vietnam and challenging Kennedy to "muster the courage" to try a second invasion of Cuba.

http://www.tarpley.net/bush8b.htm


Another most painful episode concerns the overthrow of President Ngo Dinh Diem, advocated by a cabal in the State Department led by undersecretary Averell Harriman. William Colby, then heading the clandestine services' Far East division, advocated caution. He said, the action "appears to be throwing away bird in hand before we have adequately identified birds in the bush, or songs they may sing." But the caution was disregarded, the coup proceeded, Diem was murdered, and the South Vietnamese government became a de-stabilized and de-legitimized revolving door of nobodies.

<snip>

The storming of Buddhist pagodas on 21 August by forces directed by Ngo Dinh Nhu crystallized the "Diem must go" convictions, and on Saturday, 24 August, at a time when President Kennedy, National Security Adviser McGeorge Bundy, Secretary of Defense McNamara, Secretary of State Rusk, and DCI McCone happened to be out of town, a small group of strategically placed senior State Department officials smoked a fateful Top Secret/Operational Immediate cable past interagency coordinators to a receptive Ambassador Lodge. In effect, that cable told the Ambassador to advise Diem that immediate steps must be taken to improve the situation--such as meeting Buddhist demands and dismissing his brother. If Diem did not respond promptly and effectively, Lodge was instructed to advise key Vietnamese military leaders that the United States would not continue to support his government. The directive was intended to shake up Diem, neutralize Nhu, and strengthen the hands of a group of generals who opposed the two brothers' coercive policies and deplored their counterinsurgency tactics. The directive proved crucial two months later, in effect giving a green light to a coup against Diem.

<snip>

Summing up White House discussions in which he participated during the last days of August 1963, CIA's Far East Division chief, William Colby, recorded that the President and the Attorney General "were apparently appalled at the speed with which the State decision was reached on Saturday afternoon, 24 August, and felt that more thought, analysis, and preparation should have preceded the instruction to Lodge." ... Years later General Taylor said of the 24 August weekend that "a small group of anti-Diem activists picked this time to perpetrate an egregious 'end run' in dispatching a cable of the utmost importance to Saigon without obtaining normal departmental clearances." ... DCI John McCone reported that he was told by Secretaries Rusk and McNamara on 4 September that they were unhappy with the manner in which the 24 August cable had been handled, McNamara adding that the cable "did not represent the views of the President."

<snip>

Ambassador Frederick Nolting, displaced in Saigon by Lodge and denigrated in Washington by Hilsman because of his pro-Diem arguments (but whose counsel the President sought in August 1963 to balance that of his detractors), later wrote that in 22 years of public service he had never seen anything "resembling the confusion, vacillation and lack of coordination in the U.S. Government" at that time. Although Nolting had sympathy for President Kennedy, he deplored "his failure to take control" and concluded that "the Harriman-Lodge axis seemed too strong for him."

http://ngothelinh.150m.com/CIA_CSI.html

The only reason we officially learned about MK-ULTRA is the oversight that a single box of documents had missed his destruction order.

He must be spinning on his skewer right now in the 13th circle of Hell.

investigative techniques he sanctioned in countries like Guatemala or Uruguay

what was that Costa Gavras movie....not Z, but the one that was based on the Uruguayan kidnapping of a US "police" advisor there?

That is that part that should be highlighted!!!

We knew that he was attatched to the CIA, but that it is the lynchpin in Garrisons case.

It is the original "OCTOBER SUPRISE".

Shooting down the U2 was supposed to throw the election to the "tough on commies" Nixon, NOT the liberal JFK.

who gave the poly tests?

Detective of Police Identification Bureau R D Lewis

could it be that HW gave him the orders to do so?

They made a wacko out of him to the rest of the world.

How can we validate its authenticity?

Here's a link on another "Zapata Oil" connection to our young Dimson....George was an aspiring botanist flying around Central America and Florida, in 1971, tracking down rare, non-flowering plants....with some of Dad's 'business associates, formally of Zapata Offshore'. Fascinating stuff.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Yeh. That Hopsicker.

(W) Bush Flew for Airline Tied to Iran Contra Drug Smuggling

http://www.madcowprod.com/mc5012004.html

It's not called the Bush Family Evil Empire for nothing.

Scheming With the Enemy

George and the Family Bush Keep Interesting Company

Nico Pitney - Columnist
Tuesday November 4, 2003

Mark Batalla / Daily Nexus

You missed an impressive milestone last week, if you did not have one eye watching the news ticker.

The Associated Press, the largest newsgathering organization in the world, released a story about the ties between George W. Bush's grandfather, Prescott Bush, and Nazi Germany. It was their first report on this subject in more than 60 years.

Consider that fact in context. Imagine, for a moment, the small rainforest that was sacrificed so that newspaper pundits could share their insights about blow jobs and stained dresses, or any of the myriad of other Clinton scandals, however irrelevant or manufactured.

Now, three years into George W.'s presidency, the AP has finally troubled itself to report that the grandfather of our current president was aiding the Nazi effort from the mid-1920s all the way to 1942, at which point Prescott was managing German coal mining projects that relied on slave labor from Auschwitz.

CONTINUED .... (From a college student! May this guy go far!)

http://www.ucsbdailynexus.com/opinion/2003/5962.html

in the alt.jfk.assassination forum. It can be viewed here in Google.

It's of course disputed by the "Lonenutters," who seem to have the run of the place. (John MacAdams, for instance.)

..."payroll".

http://www.geocities.com/justicewell/faq.htm

Here's a quote from McAdams about his mission in the JFK newsgroup:

You buffs have been cooperating marvelously with my scheme
to make this group a shambles.
And you know the bizarre part? My scheme is not a secret.
I have publicly announced it.
I have made it perfectly obvious.
I have rubbed you buffs' noses in it.
It's blatantly obviously to everybody.

This is what I got from a cache:

Document # 180-10087-10138 is a three page report. This is from the Secret Service. It is numbered CO-2-34.030. It was written by Ernest I Aragon. This was for the period December 10-13, 1963.

BTW: Thanks for the link to the BB. Once I return to Bat-Cave will have a serious go at all of this.



SINK the BFEE!

Check this out, MB and DU readers!

Here, Mr. Aragon is FBI:

President's Visit to Miami
18 December 1963
SS Report dated Dec. 30, 1963

http://cuban-exile.com/doc_051-075/doc0066.html

According to this GOOGLE cache listing, he's SS:

SECRET SERVICE AGENTS BEFORE, DURING
AND AFTER THE JFK ADMINISTRATION

http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:BGSXPCdMhxYJ:www.a...

NOTE: This is not to cast suspicion or dispersion upon Mr. Aragon. This is to raise awareness of the purported author of the orginal 1963 CIA memo.

Unless I'm missing something. That would be consistent with his service info in the 2nd.

Btw, I noticed this entry (Truman era):
"Lane Bertram- Atlanta, GA office (w/Youngblood, Kober, Letteer, and Horton)
Clayton Kober- Atlanta, GA office
Hancock- same as above
Roy Letteer- same as above; by 1960 became SAIC of the Little Rock office
Paul Usher- WHD 1952 (Youngblood's supervisor on his first temporary assignment);
...
Rufus W. Youngblood- Asst. Dir. of Protective Forces, Fall 1965 until start of 1968; became Deputy Director; retired in 1971;"

This must be the SAIC Bertran referred to on pg 2 of the enchilada. Are you familiar with his 1/3/64 Report it twice refers to? Wonder what's with the reference to the law firm (presumably).

I do know Bertram has the history of a BFEE turd, most capable of planting "Exculpatory Evidence."

Possible Secret Service Propaganda

EXCERPT...

Over the years, with the assistance of several well-placed Secret Service agents, many documents and many books have been written that, on the face of it, have a certain ring of authority --- until one looks a little closer at their claims, as this author has done in regard to the follow-ing items. Perhaps many will be familiar to JFK researchers.

In Commission Exhibit 993 (18H642) ,which is a translation done by Secret Service agent Leon Gopadze of a Marina Oswald letter, it is stated: "I am very, very grateful to the Secret Service agents who treated me so well and took such good care of me. Although some of the letters which I received accused these wonderful people of preventing me from seeing others, I am free to do anything I want..."

Give me a break! The New York Times of December 8, 1963 reported that "Secret Service agents suggested to her that it might be safer and easier for her to return to the Soviet Union than to try to live in the United States. This distressed her...She is now secluded from Oswald's relatives as well as from the public." Author Michael Dorman, in "Secret Service Story" (New York: Dell, 1975), dedicated his book "...to all the present and former members of the U.S. Secret Service, with particular appreciation to retired agent Lane Bertram, who took the trouble to show a young reporter the ropes in days gone by" (p.4). This Oswald-did-it book stands out for its sickeningly sweet approach to the Secret Service's ultimate failure, evidenced in many of its pages and perhaps summed up here best: "In the confusion, one group of men acted with a dispatch and precision born of hours of drill, discipline and professional training. These men were the agents of the United States Secret Service... Within an instant of the time the shots were fired, agents leaped into action. Pistols and automatic rifles appeared in their hands. An agent in the president's limousine immediately grabbed a radio-telephone. 'Let's go straight to the nearest hospital', he shouted to nearby policemen." (!?!)

SNIP...

The-Oswald-as FBI Informant Story is attributed by Posner to Dallas Assistant D.A. Bill Alexander, who, along with two reporters (including Lonnie Hudkins) "printed the story, attributing it to an unidentified source." (p. 348) Actually, that 'source' appears to have been Agent Lane Bertram, the SAIC of the Houston office of the Secret Service. (See The Third Alternative, p. 57, by this author.)

CONTINUED...

http://www.manuscriptservice.com/DPQ/propag~1.htm

Warren Commission staff head Lee Rankin called this ...

"The Dirty Little Rumor."

"On January 24, three days prior to the (January 27) Commission meeting, the Secret Service submitted about thirty investigative reports to the Commission. One of these reports, carrying the control number 767, contained a Secret Service interview with Alonzo) Hudkings (a newspaper reporter). Hudkins told the Secret Service agents that his information came from AllenSweatt, the chief of the criminal division of theSallas sheriff's office. According to Hudkins, Sweatt stated:

Oswald was being paid two hundred dollars per month by the FBi in connection with their subversive investigationn (and) that Oswald had informant number S-172.

Allen Sweatt was never questioned by the Commission or its staff."

End of quote.

Source

p.512
Mark North
"Act of Treason"

Here's the rest of Rankin's quote:

"We do have a dirty rumor that is very bad for the Commission, the problem, and it is very damaging to the agencies that are involved in it and it must be wiped out insofar as it is possible to do by this Commission."

Source
the same, p. 513

I would love to see how much Bush #41 was involved. It would seem he was.

I read one, around 20 years ago, that blew me away. The name "POPPY" figured prominently, and also a doctor involved with the Bush family. The book was dismissed as bullshit, but it was very, very compelling. I'd like to find it again..

At the top of my list of recommendations:

"The Assassinations" anthology
John Newman, "Oswald and the CIA"
Peter Dale Scott, "Deep Politics and the Death of JFK"
Gaeton Fonzi, "The Last Investigation"
Dick Russell, "The Man Who Knew Too Much"

but not entirely new. The House Committee revealed that he had a CI case file in the late 1970s.

Was Ozwald truly a patsy and/or what do you think was his involvement?

known (or most of us have known).

n/t