When they announce how many have died in this war are they including ..

[southernleftylady]

afghanstan too?
or just iraq?

[NMDemDist2]

1. Iraq n/t

[southernleftylady]

2. ok so how many have died in Afghanistan? n/t

[Media_Lies_Daily]

9. At least 100...probably closer to 200.

[southernleftylady]

13. just found 130 n/t

[Bowline]

3. And are they counting only those who actually died IN Iraq?

What about those who died later of wounds receive in Iraq? How about those they consider non-combat deaths..aren't they just as dead? How about those who won't die for years, or decades, from radiations sickness from depleted uranium ammunition, or some unknown vaccination?

And how come the media doesn't report the number of Iraqi civilians killed? I bet it's a bit more than 900.

[southernleftylady]

4. you have a point...

i wonder how many have died from non combat deaths or died in the hospital later... and in afghanstan.. i wonder how many americans have died BECAUSE of this war...
oh and iraqis have to be in the thousands

[Bowline]

5. Probably tens of thousands.

See, look at all of the people this administration has "liberated".

[southernleftylady]

6. kick

[soothsayer]

14. yes, only counting those who have died "in country"

That's why they have this fantastic triage unit who patches up terribly wounded soldiers so they can be whisked off to Germany or elsewhere to die there later.

That's an old ploy. We used to joke about it at the postal service. "So the guy died just a foot outside the property, huh? What about these heel marks that looked like he was dragged from inside the building?" Nobody wants to fill out that awful paperwork from an incident happening on postal property!

In this case, we are trying to hide the actual death count, obviously. I think that's the real reason right wing folks were outraged when Nightline read the list of war dead---fearing families who lost loved ones would notice they weren't on the list---but I never heard a peep about that, so who knows.

[southernleftylady]

7. and do they count people who died at the hospitals or just in battle?do ..

they count all that died in iraq or just from battle?

[peaches2003]

8. How Many???

How do we know how many U.S. soldiers have died in Iraq? So they say 900+. How do we know that's true. On one day they may say 5; how do we know it is not 50? The loved ones of each of these slain are not getting together. Each one thinks they are one of 5, when in truth they are one of 50. How would we know when we know the Bush govt. is lying about everything.

[southernleftylady]

10. do they keep count of the soilders who have lost limbs? eyesight? and

those types of wounds?

[lojasmo]

11. Only immediate, combat related deaths in IRAQ IIRC

Those poor souls who die in friendly fire accidents, non-combat related incidents, and who die later in the hospital are left uncounted. Casualty numbers are not being released either, though medical evacuations are close to 20,000 IIRC

[southernleftylady]

12. what is iirc? n/t

[lojasmo]

17. If I Recall Correctly N/T

[southernleftylady]

15. is there any way to find out those numbers? n/t

[JackRiddler]

16. Someone indeed needs to research this at length...

The big question is how many Iraqi casualties, especially civilians at the beginning of the war and via U.S. bombings since. Increasingly these are mixed in with the budding civil war, where it is unclear who is killing whom (the Christian church bombings of yesterday)

Never forget the meaning of Depleted Uranium poisoning and the at least hundreds of thousands killed by sanctions and poisoning and bombing since 1991. I'm sure the Iraqis don't, and this is a big factor in their resistance.

Far as I know the Iraq casualty numbers for Americans:

- include only those killed in action in Iraq (so dying 2 weeks later at Landstuhl hospital near Frankfurt does not count). Do they include accidents?

- do not include PMC (private military contractor) employees like Halliburton Blackwater et al.

- obviously do not include other coalition casualties.

I have not seen a running tally for Afghanistan.

Watch out for bodywashing: for example, an uptick in helicopter accidents in obscure corners of huge military bases in places like Texas. Was used to conceal 24 deaths of U.S. personnel in El Salvador in the 1980s, later acknowledged.

[lojasmo]

18. Large numbers of US casualties (30 at a whack)

Are being reported by al-jazeera and other "unreputable" asian and european sources. This is whitewash, plain and simple.