Global Warming kills 10,000 in France and counting. GW is for REAL

[opihimoimoi]

and should be addressed.

Do not listen to the Rush Limbaugh types who are in serious denial

The polar caps are melting

The seas are rising

The Ozone is being depleted

we are killing the rain forests

We are killing the worlds reefs

We pollute the rivers, the estuaries, and the Oceans, lakes, ponds.

We elect people who cannot see.

Damn DAMN, D A M N .

[King_Crimson]

1. I wonder just how much...

of the world's population has been eliminated since these Fascist bastards seized power?

Come, we go roast hot dogs on sidewalk

[Hubert Flottz]

2. Bush Will Spin The Deaths in France as Gawd Punishing them

because they didn't kiss his ass on the war in Iraq! 'FREEDOM FRY' is what Bush is doing to the little babies in IRAQ with his holy napalm!

[Kellanved]

9. And what about Spain and Italy?

Italy's old suffer in heat, deaths up 20 percent
Thousands dead in Spanish heatwave

[pink_poodle]

3. A LOT of people are in denial. This is horrendous.............

and I'm wondering what more it will take to finally wake up people. Okay, they can ignore the loss of trees and plants, birds, bugs, oceans, fish, animals......for how many years now? But when it starts to hit home, then they will be slapped in the face with this problem.

[Bandit]

42. Do you honestly think they give a shit

Their money will buy them the best air conditioners around. They will have servants waiting on them so they never need to go outdoors. They honestly don't care how much damage is done because of their raping and pillaging. They are getting rich and that is all that matters.

[pink_poodle]

44. Exactly. -nm

"

[K-W]

4. I dunno

I certainly think Global Warming is real, but this logic is bad. This is the same logic that opponants use when we have a cool season to say "look, no global warming." I think using examples like this for either side misrepresents the nature of the problem.

Edited: Though it is a very good example of why we should pay attention and be extremely careful with our climate.

[pink_poodle]

7. Yeah, I think when 90% of the fish in the ocean are depleted, then........

it's a pretty sorry state of affairs.

[newyawker99]

10. Hi K-W!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[K-W]

12. Thank You

Long time reader, first time poster. Finally got an account.

[proud patriot]

24. Glad you finally signed up

Welcome aboard :hi:

[Hubert Flottz]

5. Song For America:

Across the sea there came a multitude, sailing ships upon the wave
Filled with visions of Utopia, and the freedom that they crave
Ravage, plunder, see no wonder, rape and kill and tear asunder
Chop the forest, plow it under.....

http://www.lyricsdomain.com/lyrics/22590/

Earthcrash Gallery a real eye opener!

http://eces.org/gallery/recgfx/rec.shtml

[TSElliott]

6. Delete

NT

*On edit

Sorry you mean GW as in Global Warming not George Dubbya my bad ignore the post.

[Hubert Flottz]

8. One bad thing about posting threads on our rapidly rotting earth,

rotting things seems to always draw out the flies in a hurry!

Come we go get the 'Mother Of All Swatters', the truth!

[duid12]

11. silly headline

While global warming may be real, blaming the short-lived spike in temperatures on Global Warming is silly...if it is real, it is going to be a very slow and gradual warming, interuppted by spikes up and spikes down in average temperature.

You make a statement that attributes a short-lived heat-wave to Global Warming and the next time we have a really cold snap, the freepers all scream "look, guess global warming is just a total farce, it was cold all last week"...and as silly as that sounds, claiming a one week spike it temps is due soley to GW is just as disingenuos...

Just my two cents

[BeFree]

16. Icebergs & Glaciers are melting

Global warming IS evident. Cold spots of the world are showing all the proof we need.

The question is: Are humans causing this warming? Most real Scientist think we could very well be causing the increasing temperatures. That's good enough for me. And who cares what the freepers think?

[proud patriot]

29. Not just a heatwave ..Hottest Temps on record

Hottest it's ever been there .. Big difference if you
ask me ...Out here in Bay Area Cali 105 is a heatwave ,
but if we went into a month long hottest temps on record
here like let's say 115 to 120 it would be the same thing .

I wonder what my grandchildren will think of those
ignoring the first signs when something could be done
to reverse the trend of warming and melting and hot winter
months out of the blue , Weird weather patterns the likes of
which have never been seen before .

Stop The Addiction to Fossil Fuels NOW before it's too
late .

[Interrobang]

48. No, you don't understand...

The phenomenon called "global warming" is actually a bit of a misnomer -- it should more accurately be called "climactic shift," meaning that in areas where we have extreme temperatures, the hots are getting hotter, and the colds are getting colder. (The mean temperature is rising a bit, though.) It also means that we're seeing more in the way of unusual and extreme weather events, flooding, forest fires, advancing desertification in water-poor areas and water stress, and flora, fauna, and diseases changing their ranges (increasing in some areas, decreasing in others). That all these effects are caused by a slight increase in global temperature is true, but it in no way negates the validity of the effect to have colder weather in some areas at some times, and warmer in others.

Basically, global warming, or climactic shift is responsible for BOTH the extreme heat wave AND the cold snap.

Also, according to a friend of mine who had it checked with Environment Canada, we should expect this heat wave (~0.85 probability) next year, so it isn't just Europe's problem, either.

[Hubert Flottz]

50. The moneymongers bury their heads and keep on polluting!

All that matters to them is more wealth! Faux science, a false hope and a prayer aren't going to make it go away!

[PurityOfEssence]

13. So, is that what the GW stands for? Global Warming Bush?

Rachel Carson would cry.

[Hubert Flottz]

14. Rainforrests = Oxygen. 101

Ecuador: New Oil Pipeline Threatens Fragile Ecosystems and Communities from Amazon Rainforest to Pacific Coast

snip

Ignoring the devastating toll thirty years of reckless oil development has taken on the country of Ecuador- particularly on the Amazon and its people- the government and a consortium of multinational oil companies are poised to make the same irreversible mistake by moving ahead with a controversial new oil pipeline project known as the OCP (Oleoducto de Crudo Pesado).

http://www.rainforestweb.org/pages/ocp.php

Rainforrest.org

http://www.rainforestweb.org/

Environmental Linkz

http://www.portaec.net/library/elinks/

[duid12]

17. al gore's hypocricy

Lest we beleive that the democrats hands are not just as dirty:

"Occidental also has maintained links to the Democratic Party for many years, primarily through former Vice President Al Gore's father, the late Al Gore Sr., who after leaving the Senate took a $500,000-a-year job with an Occidental subsidiary, then served on the company board for 28 years.

When the younger Gore joined Clinton's ticket in 1992, Occidental loaned the Presidential Inauguration Committee $100,000 to help pay for the ceremony. And after Gore took office, the company gave nearly $500,000 in soft money to Democratic committees and causes. In late 1997, the former vice president championed a $3.65 billion sale to Occidental of the government's stake in Elk Hills Oil Field (California), representing the largest privatization of federal property in U.S. history. In 1998, when his father died, Gore inherited about $500,000 worth of Occidental stock. "

http://www.pbs.org/frontlineworld/stories/colombia/corporate.html

We need to hold all politicians, regardless of party, responsible for their deeds and misdeeds. and don't give me any of that "lesser of two evils" cr*p...the lesser of two evils is still evil in my book..

[opihimoimoi]

23. I see, perhaps we should seriously consider to do nothing

let it all happen...

while we discuss/argue/talk/think/reflect/etc etc the whole kit and caboodle goes to shit.

Oh well, Come, time to smoke a Cuban and drink good cognac while we can.

[CWebster]

15. Somewhere I heard

the French are less prepared for such summer heat, compared to Spain and Italy - That only Japan has a larger older population than France, but in France, unlike Britain, people tend to live independently rather than living in retirement homes where there is more supervision. Also, France keeps more accurate records than other EU countries. It was also reported that many French went on vacation and left parents at home when the temps broke records and became life-threatening.

[gottaB]

49. I'd heard that too

definitely France has it's problems, but I read in der Spiegel where as many as 500 had died in Italy, and maybe more than a hundred in Spain, and also in the Netherlands 500 died, and Portugal too has had many deaths. The Germans have weathered it better, probably because of a superior health care system (if you take Spiegel's word for that).

No doubt this is a deadly heat wave with record high temperatures.

[Sirius_on]

18. As a weather buff I laugh at such claims

Trying to use a spike in temps as a sign of GW is silly. If its really warmed enough to kill all those people, then the temp should stay at the above normal mark for here on out. If it settles down to normal, it just reflects the case that its weather patterns.

[K-W]

20. Well

it isnt completely baseless. I think you could justifiably argue that global warming will change the climate to increase the likelyhood of a dangerous heat waves.

[Sirius_on]

25. Not really

Heat waves are 100% based on Jet Stream and weather patterns. Thats why they are "heat WAVES". Not random pools of overheated air. The only reason the east coast of the U.S ever gets hot is due to high pressure projecting air from the south into the north. There are no other causes. Its not completely baseless, although there are no real indicators yet.

The midwest has experienced one of the coolest years on record. While the northwest was baking. The pattern shifted this past week giving the northwest a more seasonable pattern, while the midwest is now baking.

You cant look outside to predict global warming,its far more complicated then that.

Take a look at this temperature map. You can almost trace the cold front without knowing anything about weather.

http://www.wunderground.com/


Now heres where the fronts really are.

http://www.wunderground.com/US/Region/US/Fronts.html

Not to hard to figure out.

[K-W]

27. I think you missed my point

If the average temperature of the world increases, wouldnt that mean the potential for deadly heat waves increases? Not heat waves as a whole, but ones of a high enough temperature to cause loss of human life.

[Sirius_on]

28. Ok I'll give you that

If the average temp increased by the suspected .5 degrees, then the average daily high would be half a degree warmer. No half a degree heatwave increase would matter. Although someone tried to tie this to global warming...LOL

That increase will not effect heat waves much at all. This is due to stalled high pressures and jet stream patterns. Your half a degree might matter if the front stalled for a few months, which never happens.

I have heard a theory that if the ice caps melted at all, the lowered temp of the oceans would actually create a new ice age.

[Az]

30. Ecosystems are crawling up the mountains

As the global temp rises biologists are noticing that ecosystems that reside around mountains are moving up the mountain. As temps rise the floura and fauna have to move up the mountains to maintain their regular habitat.

The permafrost is moving further north.

Excesses in weather conditions are key to recognising GW. Now local temps. Thus you will see extremes in drought and floods in various areas.

GW is becoming a given. We know it is happening. What affect we have had on it and what we can do are in question.

Life is balance. Put it out of balance and it dies. At the very least it will become what it is not now. And we have become rather attached to what we are now.

[Sirius_on]

33. That still does nothing to dispute patterns

In some years the buds pop on the trees a full 2-3 weeks early. Last fall the leaves were delayed by nearly this same time frame. Do you think thats global warming to, or just the fact that the jet stream was buckled far to the east causing a delay in artic air from Canada.

My point is that witnessing plant growth up a few hundred(or whatever) feet in a mountain is still no reason to believe global warming.

Like in my previous post above, I stated that its irresponsible to ignore the need for finding clearer ways to sustain or life on this planet. I would love the day that fossil fuels are just a memory of the past. Oil will not last forever, and neither will the planter at our going rate of decline. My only point was the inform the less informed on how weather patterns work.

[Bandit]

45. So as an amateur weather buff you feel you are more knowlegable than

95% of the worlds scientific community. The worlds scientific community has concluded almost beyond doubt that Global Warming is indeed fact. What seems to be in contention is the causes for it. Is it caused by human activities or totally independent of human activity. Even the current Administrations Science advisers have stated it is indeed a fact. But I suppose we are to bow to your superior amateur abilities of deduction.:shrug: If you say so it must be true.

[Sirius_on]

19. Paris temps have returned to normal

http://www.wunderground.com/global/stations/07157.html

Its all in the patterns.

[opihimoimoi]

22. While the tempretures vary, the over all look is bleak.

For us Humans that is.

Planetary Management 101 is not only absent, it is laughed at.

Are we so blind as to NOT see the signs??

Sustainability is the true answer for our future.

Who can argue against that?

If we do not plan for global sustainability, our maturity as a species is not only suspect, we doom ourselves to a miserable existence. Go ask 50% of the world.

[Sirius_on]

31. I am aware of the problems we face

Where did this symbolic "50%" figure come from? :)

I agree that we need to do away with fossil fuels and seek ways to run our society without using a non-renewable resource. I am only disputing claims that global warming is effecting weather. I spend about 2 hours a day reading about weather and disgussing various weather aspects in online weather communities. I tend to react to outlandish claims that global warming caused all the deaths in France. I was aware of the heat wave coming to Europe about 2 weeks before it actually happened.

It was no surprise that people would jump the gun like they always do. By the way, during this years cold winter global warming stories were down 50% nationwide. A little interesting fact. :)

[opihimoimoi]

51. over 1/2 of our 6.3 billion humans on this planet are not happy campers

living in poverty/misery n all.

[Hubert Flottz]

52. Nobody's a happy camper at 'Camp Bushwhack'!

Devils just love the extra heat I guess!

[Hubert Flottz]

32. Larsen B Ice Shelf Collapses in Antarctica

snip

Recent Moderate Resolution Imaging Spectroradiometer (MODIS) satellite imagery analyzed at the University of Colorado's National Snow and Ice Data Center revealed that the northern section of the Larsen B ice shelf, a large floating ice mass on the eastern side of the Antarctic Peninsula, has shattered and separated from the continent. The shattered ice formed a plume of thousands of icebergs adrift in the Weddell Sea. A total of about 3,250 km2 of shelf area disintegrated in a 35-day period beginning on 31 January 2002. Over the last five years, the shelf has lost a total of 5,700 km2, and is now about 40 percent the size of its previous minimum stable extent.

http://nsidc.org/iceshelves/larsenb2002/

Who will you believe, a weather buff or the brightest people on the planet?

[Sirius_on]

37. You believe who you want to believe

I can easily post a couple hundred GLOBAL COOLING articles.


http://www.intellicast.com/DrDewpoint/Library/1395/GlobalWarmingArticle.pdf

Who do you believe?

[Hubert Flottz]

38. Get Sirius!

I believe what I See!

[Hubert Flottz]

40. I believe what the people around me believe!

Unusual Flooding and property damage!


Hi,

My name is Mary and I have really enjoyed visiting your website.
I was raised on Rum Creek. I have lived at Yolyn, Slagle and Dehue.
It is really a shame what has happened to all those mining communities. There used to be so many families there. Lots of good people. It is hard for people who have left there to comprehend what has been done to the mountains and the little towns by the coal companies.

12/12/01

HI,
MY MOTHER IS PATSY SMITH HALL FROM BLAIR WEST VIRGINIA, AND I THINK IT IS AWFUL THAT MY MOTHER, AUNTS AND UNCLES BIRTH PLACE AND HOME IS BEING DESTROYED BY A HEARTLESS COMPANY!! IT SADDENS US TO SEE THE PLACE WHERE MY ENTIRE FAMILY IS FROM BEING DESTROYED! MY GRANDPARENTS LIVED THERE, BEFORE MY GRANDPA DIED, AND MY GRANDMA MOVED TO CLEVELAND. MY GRANDPA PERSHING "PERK" SMITH IS BURRIED ON TOP OF BLAIR CEMETARY, AND HALF OF THE HEAD STONES ARE CRACKED, AND BROKEN, DUE TO THE BLASTS. WHAT KIND OF PEOPLE CAN BE SO RUTHLESS TO NOT CARE ABOUT THE PEOPLE AT REST IN THEIR GRAVES?? AS FOR THE HIGH SCHOOL, MY MOTHER IS VERY SAD. SHE WENT ALONG WITH HER SISTER NANCY, AND BROTHER PERK TO SHARPELS HIGH SCHOOL. SHE WAS A CHEERLEADER THERE, AND NOW ITS BEING DESTROYED. MY FAMILY HAS HAD TO MOVE AWAY, AND IT IS JUST SICK, BECAUSE BEFORE YOU KNOW IT, THERE WILL BE NO PLACE TO GO BACK TO. I USED TO LOVE TO GO THE THE SMITH FAMILY REUNION, AND HAVE MY MOM SHOW US WHERE SHE GREW UP, WHERE SHE PLAYED, AND WENT TO SCHOOL. THE NEXT TIME I GOT BACK, I PROBABLY WON'T BE ABLE TO FIND MY GRANDPA PERKS GRAVE, DUE TO THE HEADSTONE BEING GONE. HE DIED WHEN MY MOM WAS 7, SO GOING TO HIS GRAVE IS THE ONLY THING I HAVE OF HIM, NOW I'LL HAVE NOTHING. ITS JUST SO SAD, THAT PEOPLE CARE MORE FOR MAKING A BUCK THEN THE HEARTS OF PEOPLE, AND THEIR PAST AND FUTURE..............
SINCERLY, SHELLEY HALL JACKSON

12/12/01

HI I SENT YOU AN E-MAIL ABOUT BLAIR, WHERE MY MOM IS FROM, AND AS I WAS LOOKING ON THIS SITE, I SEE THAT LAUREL CREEK IS AMONG THE PLACES OF MAJOR MINE BLASTS AS WELL. AGAIN I AM SADDEN, DUE TO THIS IS WHERE MY FATHER GREW UP, WITH HIS 4 BROTHERS, AND SISTER. IS WEST VIRGINIA GOING TO BE BLOWN OFF THE MAP??? I CAN ONLY HOPE THAT PEOPLE WILL SEE THIS SITE, AND BECOME MORE AWARE OF THIS PROBLEM, AND SOMEONE WILL PUT AN END TO THIS!!

1/17/02

http://www.wvcoalfield.com/comments.htm

[Hubert Flottz]

21. Bush Weakening of Clean Air Act Threatens Public Health

Group Warns Decision the Beginning of an All-Out Assault on Environment

http://www.nrdc.org/media/pressreleases/021122.asp

For Every dollar a Chemical or Energy firm donates to democrats they donate 3 or 4 dollars to the repub's war chest!

[Hubert Flottz]

26. The DPG ********** RATS

30 YEARS OF RECKLESS GERM, CHEMICAL, AND RADIOLOGICAL WARFARE TESTING

http://home.comcast.net/~kknowlto/

The Warpigs are always lookin' out for us all, so say the little gnats! A good site for Vets to check out!

[Sirius_on]

34. Anouther thing to point out

Many people starting firing up the old global warming fevor this past spring due to strong storms. They used the same claims that it was a warmed earth that spawned such harsh weather leading to the tremendous amount of Tornados.

While all that wa going on the weather community was fully aware that the INCREASED snow fields in Canada were producing cold fronts well into the spring. This abnormally cold air in Canada caused storms to erupt along the boundary line in the midwest/plains states. The warm air from the south clashed for over two weeks into the spring.

I just wanted to point out how the uninformed try to spread false information just to get a rise to there cause. While the cause is a honorable one, its claims are false.

[Boreas]

47. Once again, I don't get it

There's so much data available on global warming that someone with your point of view sounds, I'll just say underinformed. I'm not a weather buff and this stuff was not hard to find.

http://www.news.harvard.edu/gazette/2002/11.14/09-globalwarming.html

http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/info/thc/

http://www.met-office.gov.uk/corporate/pressoffice/research.html

http://www.met-office.gov.uk/research/hadleycentre/pubs/brochures/B2002/global.pdf

http://naturalscience.com/ns/articles/01-16/ns_jeh.html

http://naturalscience.com/ns/articles/01-09/ns_ket.html

http://www.giss.nasa.gov/research/stories/20020919/

http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/cas/GLOB_CHANGE/extremes.html

http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/cas/GLOB_CHANGE/ipcc2001.html

and finally,

http://www.ecology.com/ecology-news-links/2003/articles/6-2003/6-18-03/extinction.htm

[tuck]

35. 10,000???!

can you cite this?

not a challenge, just curious....

[Kellanved]

39. no problem

http://www.msnbc.com/news/955383.asp?0cv=NB10
http://abcnews.go.com/wire/World/ap20030821_1397.html

Or the Google:
http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&edition=us&q=france+heat

[tuck]

43. thanks n/t

[Hubert Flottz]

36. Sometimes You Gotta' Stop And Smell The Rosies!

The Microbiology of Belches and Farts

Alright, let’s face it: animals—and people—pass gas, either by belching or farting. But some are more gassy than others. Cows, for example, give out so much methane gas that some suspect them as one cause of global warming. Ever wonder why this might be?

http://www.microbe.org/news/gassy.asp

Bushit can give you a bad breathing problem too!

[Hubert Flottz]

41. The Buffalo Creek Flood and other classic boo boos!

I don't believe energy companies trashing the planet for their own greedy reasons!



snip

The small communities of Saunders, Lorado, Pardee, Lundale, Craneco, Becco, Stowe, Latrobe, Crites, Kistler, Amherstdale, Accoville, Crown and Braeholm make up what
is know as Buffalo Creek. Buffalo Creek meanders down through these communities and flows into the Guyandotte River at the town of Man. After two days of pouring rain some people were frantic over what they feared was going to happen, others just shrugged it off. They had heard it often when it rained, "The dam is about to break". The slate that had formed a dam 460 ft. long, 50 to 60 ft. high and 320 feet thick was about to overflow. The Buffalo Mining Company, who had formed the dam, was at a loss at what to do next. Water had backed up three-quarters of a mile behind the dump.


http://mywvmountain.com/path1/buffalo/flood.html

God blamed for coal sludge

http://www.enquirer.com/editions/2000/12/04/loc_samples_god_blamed.html

[opihimoimoi]

46. We ignore/reject the evidence....???

Come, we fill sandbags for Florida and other low lying areas.

Dike Building 101 is gonna be hot course in college.