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mellowinman Donating Member (540 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 09:18 PM
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Just saw Meet the Press
Obama SAVAGED Bush.

Those of you who called him names earlier should be ashamed.

MSNBC replaying the show in its entireity.

Obama makes it clear that Bush doesn't know what he's doing; makes it clear that we need new leadership.

Russert tried his damnedest to bait him, and trap him.

I have never seen Obama before. He was fantastic. He was quick on his feet, classy, and eloquent. He is among the best we have.

Sorry for starting my own thread, but I thought this needed to be said without being buried in the other threads.

He had Russert stammering, and looking like a bigger fool than he usually looks like.

Barack Obama. GREAT guy!

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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 09:20 PM
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1. yup n/t
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 09:20 PM
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2. Those who savaged Obama should be ashamed. The man..
Edited on Sun Jul-25-04 09:22 PM by Kahuna
did a magnificent job.

Those who savaged him haven't learned their lesson about "red meat." They never learn. They didn't learn from McKinney's loss in 2002, or Dean's failed primary challenge. They didn't learn from Newt Gingrinch.
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 09:26 PM
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5. Kahuna -- Cynthia learned from that loss, too
She's ba-a-a-ck, said the rest of us.

McKinney, a controversial liberal Democrat who lost her seat in Congress two years ago, is on the verge of winning back her post. If she succeeds, she ought to stop off at the Oval Office to thank her unofficial political strategist, President Bush. She couldn't have won without him.

McKinney was ousted after she made incendiary remarks suggesting that President Bush had known about the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11 but did nothing to stop them so that his friends could profit from the resulting war. And that was just one example of her intemperate rhetoric. During the 2000 presidential campaign, remarks were posted on her Web site characterizing Al Gore as having a low "Negro tolerance level."

In her current campaign, McKinney tamped down her rough edges and ran as a reasonable and experienced mainstream -- if liberal -- candidate. Her father -- an equally incendiary but dumber version of McKinney known for bigoted outbursts against her opponents -- was kept out of sight, either by his daughter's newfound campaign discipline or by failing health.

McKinney also benefited from a splintered field. She was defeated two years ago by moderate Democrat Denise Majette, who decided this year to run for the U.S. Senate. With the congressional seat open in heavily Democratic territory, six Democrats sought the post.

But let's give credit where credit is due. Thanks to the machinations of the Bush White House and Halliburton, McKinney's remarks about profiteering from the Iraq war don't sound nearly as wacko as they did two years ago. One of the most riveting video clips in Michael Moore's new documentary, "Fahrenheit 9/11," shows a 2003 "Rebuilding Iraq" seminar in Arlington, Va., in which business executives drool over the opportunities to make money off the war.

http://www.ajc.com/opinion/content/opinion/tucker/2004/...
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 09:59 PM
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11. I know she's back. I hope she will not fall prey to her own ..
Edited on Sun Jul-25-04 10:06 PM by Kahuna
emotions this time and work smarter to accomplish her goals.

P.s. Am I disappointed when our leaders fail to tell it like it is when it comes to bush and use every invective that comes to mind? For an instance I am. Always. But then I remember that we have to keep our eyes on the prize. And telling Mr. and Mrs. America what a lying, murderous, treachorous weasel * is, will not help us to obtain the prize.
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Sophree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-04 12:35 AM
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32. A fantastic job!
Just watched it. Can't BELIEVE some of you guys are upset about that.

Eloquent, factual, down to earth. Voters tired of slash and burn politics.

One thing, psychologically that I think a lot of you are missing- regular Americans are going to have a huge problem accepting that their country did such an awful, awful thing and that they, themselves supported it. Good people who are patriotic, but ill-informed.

It was a mistake, it was misguided. Bush is an ideologue who made this mistake. Get RID of him. That's all we should care about. Let them come to the rest of the awfulness of it as they are able to.

Please, let go of some of that pride- we were right, you all were wrong stuff. What matters now is winning this election and if every Democratic representative speaks as well and as appealingly as Obama, we've got this thing, hands down.

OBAMA IS THE MAN!
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 09:22 PM
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3. Thank you for pointing out one need not be foaming at the mouth to be
effective and passionate.

May you prosper and your numbers increase! ;)
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 09:23 PM
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4. "Foaming at the mouth" is actually counterproductive.
All smart politicians know that.
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demgrrrll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 09:31 PM
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8. Absolutely right. It is wise not to let the perfect become the enemy of
the good. I don't remember who said that but it is apt in this case.
It usually isn't necessary to use a sledgehammer to make your point. DU is not a microcosm of the general population, there are other points of view that must be taken into account. I am not suggesting that anyone wimp out, just choose your battles wisely.
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mellowinman Donating Member (540 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 09:29 PM
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6. Well, I've done my share of foaming...
to be fair. But this guy really impresses me. We could use more like him. He's a candidate I can really get behind.

He makes me proud of my race.

(the HUMAN RACE)

Go Barak Obama!

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SarahB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 09:31 PM
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7. Watched MTP this morning.
Not a hardass, but still an asset to the party nonetheless. We don't all have to be hardasses to get our point across. :D
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comradebillyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 09:40 PM
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9. Sorry for starting my own thread
why? its quite a good topic, certainly way better than the ask me anything threads
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mellowinman Donating Member (540 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 10:00 PM
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12. Just because there were several already.
But I didn't want to be on them, as they were NEGATIVE, and what I want to talk about is POSITIVE.

Sorry for apologizing.

Oh, and sorry for apologizing for apologizing...

Hey, just kidding.

I just want to say again that this is one impressive Democratic candidate, and we are damned lucky to have him in the Senate.

Well, he's got to win first, but I think that's a pretty good bet.

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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 09:49 PM
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10. Russert was trying his best
to get Obama to say something about Bush. They need SOMEONE to stick their foot in their mouth so they don't have to spend all their time talking about that "boring" Democratic Convention. Who better than this "newbie" Obama. It didn't work. He was fantastic and our party is lucky to have him.
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 10:01 PM
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13. Obama was utterly awesome. It was one of the best interviews..
I've seen in a long time. I was totally impressed.
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Sophree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-04 12:37 AM
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33. ditto
:kick:
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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 10:02 PM
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14. Dammit! I missed it!!!
And I put up a reminder to catch it too. I have every confidence in Obama. So glad to hear he did an outstanding job and makes me proud to be from Ill. :bounce:
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 10:07 PM
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15. There's one more repeat on CNBC at 1:00 et.
Please check you local listings. :D
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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 10:36 PM
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18. Woohoo!!! 12 pm central time!
Thanks!
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 10:19 PM
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16. The last thing Obama should have done is come across
as the next Al Sharpton. The press would have been so busy making mincemeat of him, it would have pushed Kerry off the front page--"THIS is the man Kerry picked as his intoductory speaker? Cynthia McKinney would have been a better choice!"

:headbang:
rocknation
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mellowinman Donating Member (540 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 10:24 PM
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17. You got that right.
I don't think he even said anything that rhymed!

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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 11:04 PM
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19. Take a quote out of context, go ballistic =standard DU operating procedure
lately. . .I am hoping it gets better after the convention, but there is a lot of "flying off the handle" around here lately.

Thanks for your post.
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 11:17 PM
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20. It's the "red meat" crowd. Kerry is wisely trying to "manage" the
red-meaters. It might feel good to rant and rave for the moment like a mad dog because you hate bush. But that kind of behavior turns off Mr. And Mrs. Q. Public. So how does it help that red meater to get rid of the person he really hates if he keeps voters we need from voting for the guy running against *? Duh.
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-04 12:11 AM
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25. Better to be positive now, as Kerry steps on the national stage
Dems are right to be all about POSITIVE change in the convention.

Repugs are dying for the Dems to go negative, so they can do more of their "Out of the Mainstream Hatefest" song and dance.

Kerry may have to go negative later, but as an introduction to American People, this is the way to go go go go go!!!!!
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mellowinman Donating Member (540 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-04 12:22 AM
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26. Let's see...
Right now Bush is pushing "Coalition of the Wild-eyed" and "Out of the Mainstream..."

So we should tell all our candidates to go on talk shows and say, "bush is a poopyhead liar?"

I don't think so.

Plus, as I said, Obama LAID WASTE to Bush during that interview. He said, basically, "well, maybe the President MEANS WELL, but he's a damned idiot."

If you didn't catch that, you're just slow.

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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-04 12:24 AM
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29. The difference is, the media acts if what the wingnuts is doing is..
normal. Haven't you noticed? The "media" always has a ready explanation for the wingnuts. Yet, they deride every little thing a Dem does. For instance. Cheney cusses in the Senate. No big deal. Whoopi, makes a lews pun out of bush's name and it's bad. Bad, I tell you.

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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-04 12:22 AM
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27. Yep! They are counting on us to act like "heathens" and "pagons."
Edited on Mon Jul-26-04 12:28 AM by Kahuna
That's why they constructed a wire pen for the protesters. We're uncivilized, wild-eyed commies, don't cha know? :evilgrin:
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carpe diem Donating Member (769 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 11:29 PM
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21. they're looking for ...
...feedback on his blog about his tv appearances. If you want to share your opinion with his campaign post here:

http://www.obamablog.com/
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 11:57 PM
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24. Thanks. I left a message on the blog.
:D
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WLKjr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 11:33 PM
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22. I heard Obama Speak on TV a Couple of Times
And let me tell you, this is a guy to keep your eyes on. He will go far if he keeps going the way he is going. Man, this guy can give a damn good speech! Just hope it's not all talk and no show.

BTW, anyone, including a household pet, could make mincemeat of the W. It's not hard to do.
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Blue_Roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 11:34 PM
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23. I too, thought he did an awesome
job and I have yet to understand what all the who-ha was about. He handled the question in a diplomatic way--something that shows TRUE leadership.

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Bat Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-04 12:24 AM
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28. I just saw it....
I'm more excited about the guy than I was before.

Pure class. All the way down the line.

And anyone that sees any kissing up to the Bush...I'm baffled. I don't know what they saw. Sure as hell wasn't the same thing I saw.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-04 12:28 AM
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31. I agree
He was very good and very diplomatic. Some people would call it smart.
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0rganism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-04 12:24 AM
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30. Is a transcript up yet?
I'd like to go through it when it becomes available.
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