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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 08:54 PM
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John Kerry - born to run on CNN
I watched the program (was a repeat, I think) and was thinking of how proud I can be with such a man as a president. Is there anyone who is actually proud of Bush?

I know that some would jump all over Candy Crawly but I liked her being the devil's advocate, raising the points that others use to attack him.

First, what is wrong with someone setting a goal to be a president and build a track record? Shall we elect someone based on a track record of serving the country, or of boozing and AWOLing (or whatever you call it) and just gliding on papa's money and name and connections?

What is wrong with someone - like Clinton and Gore - with high scholastic achievement and who is proud of it? Are Reagan and Quail and even papa Bush who tried to hide his, yes, Brahamin upbringing, really the best that this country can do?

There are many ways to build a political track record; actually going to war and being under fire is not one that many, or that anyone to my knowledge, has ever chosen.

Dole talking about different purple hearts - someone really should smack him about this. He spent million of years in the Senate, he had his chances to have the military using a purple, a baby blue, and a white with pink polka dots hearts to indicate bravery under a cross-eyed sniper, or under a tank fire, or while stepping on a mine; when one was not hurt, when one was hospitalized and recovered or when one lost one, two, or three limbs (and you can still label him as unpatriotic)

I applauded his respond to Weld about the death penalty.

I have only one disagreement, when Dukakis said that not everyone has Clinton or Reagan communication style. I was thinking about it recently. I was thinking that Dean, Edwards, Kucinich, Mosley Brown and Sharpton connected better with their supporters. I heard MB only in the Iowa debate and was impressed. They were not afraid to talk with the power of their conviction and... we were afraid. We selected Kerry who, everyone agrees, is not an inspire orator because we found him the most electable. I don't disagree with this. With such a divided electorate we had to tread carefully, not to lose a single vote just because someone disagree with the power of the candidate's conviction and a lot of space was dedicated to these points during the primaries.

Some said that Kerry lost his powerful speaking style when he adapted to the convoluted style of the Senate. Let's hope that he find this style again and will use it from now until November.
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2Design Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 08:59 PM
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1. kerry speaks though his body...his actions....he is a non verbal
communicator....like the kite boarding..and snow boarding and biking...he is an athlete and engages the world through his actions...and his actions show us a GREAT man....and that is what we can believe in and sell....all these commentators are sales man...they have no character to show.....

kerry has such depth.....he is really great.....
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Connie_Corleone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 09:12 PM
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2. I watched it too.
I, personally, didn't think Crowley did a hit piece on Kerry. The only thing I didn't like was the John O'neil idiot on there. He's a repug tool.

If Crowley really wanted to do a hit piece on Kerry, she could've brought up some other stuff on him that was not mentioned tonight.

I thought the program was more positive for Kerry than negative.
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Liberal Christian Donating Member (746 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 09:28 PM
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3. Excuse me?
There are many ways to build a political track record; actually going to war and being under fire is not one that many, or that anyone to my knowledge, has ever chosen.

George Washington
Ulysses S. Grant
Dwight D. Eisenhower
John F. Kennedy

To name but a very few.
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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 10:11 PM
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4. But did they go to war as a building block in a political career?
Or were they military men first and then thought about running for office?

One of the people interviewed was trying to say that the reason why Kerry volunteered to go to Vietnam in 1968, when opposition was at its peak, and why he chose to be trained on that particular boat, was to build a military experience like Kennedy on which to later run for president.
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CaTeacher Donating Member (983 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 10:36 PM
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8. Actually, throughout most of our history--military service
was standard for people who were planning to run for political office.

I read in a biography, that this was the reason Nixon was kicked out of the Quaker religion. Quaker's are pacifists (Nixon was never a very good Quaker--but probably would not have repudiated his religion--even after they kicked him out--he kept begging them to be part of his life).

Anyhow--Nixon knew he would never have a hope at getting to be president (or even other holding other good political offices)--unless he at least served in the military. So he signed up, breaking his mother's heart, and this resulted in his excommunication--Quakers do not believe in killing, they only serve as conscientious objectors.

BTW, Nixon's mother was from a very devout and famous Quaker family who was extremely important in American history--the Milhouse family had an amazing history of activism--they were involved in helping free the slaves--as well as pacifism--they would not fight back even to defend themselves when the army came and destroyed their farms during the Civil War. Nixon's mother, her devout family, and the church elders never forgave Nixon for serving in the military.
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Protected Donating Member (618 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 10:23 PM
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5. I only watched about 20 minutes of it
and then I got tired of the negative BS and turned it off.
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buycitgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 10:34 PM
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6. what're they going to call the one they do on *?
Born to Drink?
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buycitgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 10:35 PM
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7. wait a minute.........
Born to Run AWAY?

that's a GOOD one, right?
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zaj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 10:39 PM
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9. 'He was only good at two things: getting elected and marrying rich women.'
... "he does both, when we return."

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