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AntiCoup2K4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-18-04 07:34 PM
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Question for Muslim DU'ers
Like the majority of Americans, I know very little about the Islamic faith. I do know that Friday is the Muslim "sabbath" and because of that, I was under the impression that Muslims would not work on Fridays, just as a Jew would not on Saturday, or a Christian on Sunday.

My question then, is wouldn't it be uncharacteristic and in fact blasphemous of Muslims to execute a prisoner on Friday?

And I ask this because I'm highly suspicious that this killing, like Nick Berg's and probably Danny Pearl's, was a staged event to create a public outcry for revenge (which I've already seen elsewhere - and I don't even mean Freepville) Is it possible that the PNAC/Mossad propaganda department fucked up big this time?
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DrWeird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-18-04 07:37 PM
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1. While I'm not a muslim
I would think most muslims would consider it blasphemous to execute a hostage on any day of the week.
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nose pin Donating Member (291 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-18-04 07:42 PM
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2. Thank you
Saved me the trouble.
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demosincebirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-18-04 07:47 PM
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3. Did you ever see how many people attend an execution...
in Saudi Arabia, and applaud after its over?
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AntiCoup2K4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-18-04 07:48 PM
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4. Of course, but that wasn't my question.
I wasn't implying that most Muslims would exceute at all. As I said, my gut feeling is that Muslims had nothing to do with it. I guess what I'm getting at is a way to catch these motherfuckers in a lie that they can't get out of.
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lelia936 Donating Member (25 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-18-04 07:53 PM
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5. I am not muslim either, however...
it is true that by muslim standard the beheading of an innocent human being is an atrocity. However, we are talking about extremists. As with extremist christians, they take the "holy" word often literally & to the, well, extreme. So, to answer your question, IMHO, they would feel very justified in beheading and infidel that worked on machines to destroy Allah's followers, but they would also feel very strongly about observing the high holy day. A true Muslim zealot would not kill on a high holy day (which to extremists is every Friday).
There is something very wrong here.....
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nose pin Donating Member (291 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-18-04 08:04 PM
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7. I'll bet that
No US soldiers were killed in Iraq on a friday either. And that al-Sadr always stopped fighting on friday too.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-18-04 08:10 PM
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nose pin Donating Member (291 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-18-04 08:17 PM
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10. I voted for Jimmy Carter
Were you even born yet?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-18-04 08:20 PM
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nose pin Donating Member (291 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-18-04 08:23 PM
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13. Do you have proof of that?
I mean, how Robertson and Falwell voted?

I find that pretty unbelievable.
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lelia936 Donating Member (25 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-18-04 09:08 PM
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15. I'm not really sure, but
It would be interesting to find out. Just by memory I do believe that the US fatality rate is lower on Friday, but I would have to do research to say for sure.
Also, just for the record, I did not see the deleted messages but I would like to sat that I am not just speaking from a hunch.
I did my thesis on these extreme Muslim groups as I began writing shortly after 9-11. I studied these groups extensively.
This is not to say that I agree with them, just that I have seen their perspective. Extremism in not pretty.
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keithyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-18-04 09:24 PM
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17. I do think they can defend themselves on any day.
Just a thought.
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progdonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-18-04 07:59 PM
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6. uncertain about day of death
Why are you so sure he was killed on a Friday? Just because they release a video on Friday doesn't mean it happened on Friday. They could have taken a few videos in the range of a few hours, and then spread them over a few days, or they could have just killed him yesterday and released the video today.

I think trying to catch them in the whole Friday thing is very weak.
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lelia936 Donating Member (25 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-18-04 08:04 PM
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8. I sincerely agree
We do not know the time or day. But they have recovered the body & are saying that the forensic data will be a wealth of info. If it comes out that Friday was the day it could cause one to wonder. It is very likely that he was killed the same day that he was captured.
But the question that I have had all along is, they have had a soldier (remember) & he has not been executed yet, that I know of. If this were really extremists trying to make a point, it seems he would have been the first to suffer. Just a thought.
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elf Donating Member (805 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-18-04 08:26 PM
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14. They are 7hrs ahead of us in that region!
from Eastcoast
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stavka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-18-04 08:23 PM
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12. This guy was a Mercenary....
He filled the role a Saudi Airman would fill if their own paranoid government would actually create a national army rather than a private one.

He worked on Gunships. Just like 1,000's of American servicemen and women maintain gunships.

I am not applauding this murder in any way shape or form, especially since the Saudi SWAT Team was apparently waiting around the corner for the murder to take place before they shot the murderers....

We are dealing with a nation run by very jealous (of each other) and violent men. Maybe 300 in all.

They play games.
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MissRegina Donating Member (178 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-18-04 09:15 PM
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16. What Difference Does It Make?
Barbarians killed this man. Who gives a flying f*ck what damn day it was? Geezuz!
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keithyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-18-04 09:29 PM
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18. Do you think that Americans are not barbaric becuse they kill high tech?
Are American not barbaric becaue they kill from afar, dropping bombs, launching missiles killing hundreds at a time? The insurgents are barbaric and cowards because they are not afraid of death, and perhaps kill by beheading individuals? I just want to know the line of thinking here. Because we can kill hundreds of civilians at one time that makes us civilized?
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MissRegina Donating Member (178 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-18-04 09:44 PM
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19. Every fucking one them is a barbarian
American or otherwise. I guess I didn't make that clear. Fuck em all. Damn everyone to hell for their inability to live peacefully with one another. God dammit. I hate this fucking world. Pieces of shit.
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-04 05:20 AM
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20. We still need an answer from a Muslim on this thread
Edited on Sun Jun-20-04 05:24 AM by muriel_volestrangler
however, my impression (which includes only about a month in a Muslim country, and from news reports) is that while Friday is a day on which good Muslims will go to the mosque, and most offices and businesses shut, it's not anything like the strict Jewish 'do no work at all on the Sabbath' or Christian 'Sunday is a holy day' idea. If a Muslim thinks something is just, then they'll do it quite happily on Friday - the news often shows marches that turn violent on Fridays from places like Palestine. For instance, here is an account of an official execution in Saudi Arabia, on a Friday: http://www.arabnews.com/?page=1§ion=0&article=23428&d=8&m=3&y=2003

So, if the killers had convinced themselves that the execution was justified (and, by the way, I'd expect that wouldn't match with Islamic law at all - they may have executions, but they do follow trials, and I don't think they've ever claimed Paul Johnson did anything wrong), then I don't think doing that on a Friday would be a problem to them. Posting any evidence to the contrary would be a good idea - our own vague recollections aren't really good enough.
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hel Donating Member (266 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-04 05:31 AM
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21. No, Muslims work Friday
They just have to go for the Friday prayer to the mosque at midday, then they can go back to their work. In fact, Quran urges them to.

And if you are going to do something 'religious', it is best to do it on a Friday after prayer. If a person dies on Friday, he is considered lucky to be blessed by the holy day.

These people are beheading non-Muslims as a 'religious act', so they probably would be proud to do it on a Friday, I believe.

(I'm atheist, but coming from a Muslim background and family)
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SmileyBoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-04 05:49 AM
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22. I'm Muslim, but I'm not quite sure.
I'm under the impression that the Koran frowns on something like that being done on a Friday. But executions in general are not necessarily frowned upon in Islam, except among the moderate/progressive Muslim populace. If you're wondering about excuses that fundy Muslims use to act like barbarians towards their fellow man, just look at Sha'ria Law (which was not ever intended to be used by soverign states to use as their justice systems).
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-04 07:00 AM
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23. You're being rational...
Edited on Sun Jun-20-04 07:02 AM by HypnoToad
Much like how our own leaders conveniently forget Biblical verses and traditions while forcing others onto everybody else, the terrorists will conveniently do the same practice of "Selective believing".

And if the Bible is full of contradictions, you can bet your sweet bippy that the Koran is too.

Yes, it would be blasphemous. But Osama nor Bush* will mind.

Why more people can't concentrate on the good aspects of the religions instead of homing in on the bad ones is beyond me...
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