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SoDesuKa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-29-04 07:52 PM
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Bush on September 11, 2001
Bush's quizzical behavior on September 11th is the subject of much commentary. If he sat there reading a story about a pet goat because he was not surprised by the attack, his behavior the rest of the day seems out of character.

As we recall, Bush acted like a scared rabbit that day, flying all around the country and not facing the press until the evening. If he'd known the attack was coming, why was he fearful? On the other hand, if he was actually taken by surprise, why did the Secret Service allow him to hang out reading a story to school children?

It looks as though Bush was expecting something that day, but what actually happened was far bigger and meaner than what he was expecting.
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DenverDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-29-04 08:01 PM
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1. Even if he was just a tool, he's still complicit
and he's still guilty of treason.
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ThoughtCriminal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-29-04 08:04 PM
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2. Various Theories
Fron "Duh" to "This was not the attack we agreed to". No question it was at BEST abnormal.

But I do agree that if MIHOP was true, Bush would have been positioned to look far more decissive and perhaps even heroic.

My take is that the clod had no idea what to do. An advisor (forgot which one) held up a note pad with "Say Nothing Yet" written on it, and he obeyed instructions. How Presidential is that?

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Hailtothechimp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-29-04 11:14 PM
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10. I read it was Ari Fleischer. How pathetic is that?
Picture this balding little putz giving bu$h an order when America was under attack. And then picture him following it. No leadership at all.
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Art_from_Ark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 01:56 AM
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18. A different view
Edited on Sun May-30-04 01:58 AM by Art_from_Ark
How many people are actually aware that bu$h stayed in a classroom to listen to a goat story read by second graders after being told of the second attack? Very, very few. The last time I was in the US, many of the people I talked to just assumed that he was doing "what a president (sic) is supposed to do" in such a situation. Therefore, there was no need to pretend to be heroic-- that was written into the script later. With the proverbial shortness of America's collective memory, that wouldn't be too hard to do.

As for the "scared rabbit" theory, I don't buy into it. bu$h could have easily gone into Cheney's Cave if he actually thought he was in danger. The reason why he went to so many air force bases was probably to corroborate the official version of the day's events. His nonchalant attitude after hearing the news of the second attack is indicative that he knew he was in no danger.
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symbolman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 02:14 AM
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19. I guess they didn't see this flash movie
I created..

see link below in my sig line.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-29-04 08:06 PM
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3. The thing about Bush was his utter passivilty
He didn't excuse himself to find a phone to get more information. He didn't register anything but an expression that reflected his having been told his fresh suit was delayed 10 minutes by the hotel concierge. NOTHING. He just sat there until an aide told him it was time to go. There was no concern, no curiousity, and certainly no sense that he had a job to do, just completing a meaningless photo op with the kiddies.

He didn't run anywhere or do anything on his own. The Secret Service guards whisked him off to a bunker in Nebraska, and then when nothing was flying, they allowed him back to Washington, DC to face the press and give a pat speech.

We are left with only two conclusions: either Bush knew such an attack was coming and that it was going to play out without interference, or he really is just the dummy the real power brokers push out in front of the cameras and has no practical connection with the office he stole. In either case, his utter lack of curiosity about the attack paints him as the most incredibly callous, hearless, unfeeling SOB on the face of the planet.

Whatever the case, he is clearly unfit to be anything in government, elected or appointed, and he and his gang have got to go.
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DenverDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-29-04 08:44 PM
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8. It shows he is just a power elite tool.
Just doing what he is told.
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7th_Sephiroth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-29-04 08:16 PM
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4. bush struck a deal with the saudi's
they commit a terror act and bus uses his army to takeout the dissenter Osama, who had recently tried to take over
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mike1963 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-29-04 08:32 PM
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5. That could actually be possible, but wouldn't the aftermath (on 9/11) have
been more carefully scripted in that case? Unless they really are as f*cking stupid as we often think they are...
:eyes:
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7th_Sephiroth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-29-04 08:37 PM
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6. i dont know
we did what they wanted for a while
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No2W2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-29-04 08:44 PM
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7. In Richard Clarke's book
he said shrub was kept away by NSC and SS. Cheney was in a bunker under the east wing of the White House, Pickles was at an undisclosed and heavily guarded buliding in DC, and Denny was taken to a cave outside DC. Shrub was flown to an airbase in La. to tape the announcement, then, over shrub's objections, he was flown to Neb.

From what Clarke says, shrub was pretty much out of the loop. All decisions went thru the Cheneys. (Yep, Mrs. crashcart was there offering her "advice") Clarke got any messages from the "president" thru Cheney.
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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-29-04 10:43 PM
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9. All four attacks were supposed to happen within 45 minutes of each other.
The last two planes, especially Flight 93, were delayed.

This is what caused Bush's handlers to have to stall uncomfortably in Sarasota.
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redsoxliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-29-04 11:22 PM
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11.  you're all full of shit
911 was real.
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St. Jarvitude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 12:19 AM
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13. Obviously, everyone knows it's real.
You seem a bit confused. Allow me to clarify.

Nobody is denying that four planes were hijacked on the morning of September 11, 2001; that two of them crashed into the World Trade Center towers in New York; that one of them crashed into the Pentagon; and that one crashed into a field in Pennsylvania. And no one is denying that there was a horrible loss of life, and that this was a terrible day in American history (and, eventually, the histories of the Afghani and Iraqi people).

What is at question is who perpetrated it, and for what reason. Was Frankencheney's Chimp (I love that moniker, btw :)) in the loop? Did he have some idea of some sort of terrorist attack and do nothing about it? Was he totally in shock? That's what's we're trying to answer.
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 12:25 AM
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14. No doubt it was real, Sparky....
...most of us have some difficulties in accepting the "official" story, especially since 15 of the alleged hijackers were Saudi nationals, and at least five of those guys attended U. S. military schools.

Now who's "full of shit"?
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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-29-04 11:57 PM
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12. the actions of the Secret Service that day are very curious . . .
when they knew that the WTC had been hit by TWO planes, it was clear that the nation was under attack . . . from everything I've ever heard about the Service, they should have been packing Bush's ass into his bulletproof limo and scurrying him to the airport just as fast as possible . . . and don't you think that, if they really thought the president's plane might be a target, fighter jets would have accompanied Air Force One on takeoff? . . . from what I've read, that didn't happen either . . . very curious indeed . . .
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 12:32 AM
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15. NORAD was exceptionally busy on 911 scrambling four whole planes....
...from two airbases at least thirty minutes late and 120 miles from New York and Washington, DC.

They may have snuck another plane out of Toledo. But they had to keep that one quiet because he had to shoot down Flight 93, leaving an eight-mile trail of debris leading to the impact crater.

Besides that, they were trying to provide an escort for Al Gore since he was the legally elected President.

Have to treat it with humor, otherwise you might end up crying.
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FormerOstrich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 12:47 AM
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16. I had the oddest experience that day
....and keep in mind I wasn't a Former, yet. It was because of this that I pulled my head out of the sand.

Immediately after I heard about the attacks I went back to working on my project. All of the sudden I had the oddest experience. It was if I could feel *'s raw panic. It was so real to me. It was almost like he was in the room with me and I sense all that he was thinking. He was terrified to face the public because it was harder than he thought it was going to be. He was afraid we would know he knew. I felt he was like a panicked child saying, they didn't tell me it was going to be this hard. His concern was only for himself. Most of the day it was like I sensed him. Later that afternoon, it was if someone (I have always thought probably his dad but maybe Mommy) pumped him up and it all went hard and cold. My guess is he was told to remember this was his calling and to not be weak. I think from that point on there was no looking back for him as he loved the results he was getting. I really knew very little about * (or come to find out the world around me). As for me, the entire experience freaked me out so bad that I started researching and learning everything I could. I became obsessed at learning "the truth". In a lot of ways I put my life on hold and really haven't resumed yet. I have told very few people this story and I am a little surprised I am finally comfortable enough to post it here. I can tell you that it, in fact changed me.
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SoDesuKa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 01:35 AM
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17. A Terrible Wound
September 11th was a horrible ordeal for all of us. The unanswered questions make it a lot worse. As normal feelings gradually return to us, people are becoming aware of Bush's lies.

I worked in the Trade Center throughout the summer of 2001, and I was let go just before Labor Day. I can't explain how I knew something big was cooking, but I would get to work and break out in an itchy rash all over. It would take half an hour before the welts responded to the medication, and I tried everything!

No rashes before, no rashes since. On the morning of September 11th, I connected the attack to the rashes.
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Kod478 Donating Member (42 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 06:18 AM
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20. The Pet Goat
Does anyone know where that story exists?
I've searched on amazon and google, you name it,
and still can't find the story. The only thing I can
think of is that it is part of an educational textbook
and not a published author. Anyone know? thanks.
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RedSock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 06:30 AM
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21. bush on 9/11
Something I wrote with Paul Thompson:

http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline/main/essayaninterestingday.html

I think the goat story is part of a larger teaching book. The best description of it -- with the story's words -- is in Bill Sammon's pro-Bush book, "Fighting Back." Sammon is a reporter for the Washington Times, but his description of Bush in the classroom is devastating.

From the article:

"When Bush finally did leave, he didn't act like a man in a hurry. In fact, he was described as "openly stretching out the moment." (Fighting Back: The War on Terrorism - From Inside the Bush White House, by Bill Sammon, 10/02, p. 89) When the lesson was over, Bush said to the children: "Hoo! These are great readers. Very impressive! Thank you all so much for showing me your reading skills. I bet they practice too. Don't you? Reading more than they watch TV? Anybody do that? Read more than you watch TV? (Hands go up) Oh that's great! Very good. Very important to practice! Thanks for having me. Very impressed." (Transcribed from Booker video, Fighting Back: The War on Terrorism - From Inside the Bush White House, by Bill Sammon, 10/02, pp. 89-90) Bush still continued to talk, advising the children to stay in school and be good citizens. (Tampa Tribune, 9/1/02, St. Petersburg Times, 9/8/02 (B)) One student asked Bush a question, and he gave a quick response on his education policy. (New York Post, 9/12/02)

"The only source to describe what happened next is Fighting Back by Bill Sammon. Publishers Weekly described Sammon's book as an "inside account of the Bush administration's reaction to 9-11 (and) a breathless, highly complimentary portrait of the president (showing) the great merit and unwavering moral vision of his inner circle." (Publisher's Weekly, 10/15/02) Sammon's conservative perspective makes his account of Bush's behavior at the end of the photo-op all the more surprising. Bush is described as smiling and chatting with the children "as if he didn't have a care in the world" and "in the most relaxed manner imaginable." White House aide Gordon Johndroe, then came in as he usually does at the end of press conferences, and said, "Thank you, press. If you could step out the door we came in, please." A reporter then asked, "Mr. President, are you aware of the reports of the plane crash in New York? Is there anything...", But Bush interrupted, and no doubt recalling his order, "DON'T SAY ANYTHING YET," Bush responded, "I'll talk about it later." But still the president did not leave. "He stepped forward and shook hands with (classroom teacher) Daniels, slipping his left hand behind her in another photo-op pose. He was taking his good old time. ... Bush lingered until the press was gone." (Fighting Back: The War on Terrorism - From Inside the Bush White House, by Bill Sammon, 10/02, p. 90)"

Sammon calls him the dawdler-in-chief!!!!!!!!
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Kod478 Donating Member (42 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 06:38 AM
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23. Thanks!
Thank you and congratulations on your excellent article!
Great sources and timeline of what happened!
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 06:38 AM
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22. GW Bush is a puppet.
"He really is just the dummy. The real power brokers push him out in front of the cameras and he has no practical connection with the office he stole."

I truely believe this.
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