OMG, We are F***'ed

[MsMagnificent]

Pardon the language, esp. in the subject line... but OMG OMG OMG we are TRULY FUGGED!

AUSTRALIA is burning the American flag?!

IRELAND is freaking out
--and not just the people - the Politicians!--
because they don't want Bush to come on his scheduled visit?!

http://breaking.examiner.ie/2004/05/20/story148554.html

OMG
OMG

WE ARE REALLY, TRULY
....WELL, YOU KNOW!

[Catholic Sensation]

1. uh... how?

so the Irish rightly don't want Bush to come to Ireland (I'd prefer it if he were in Guam instead of the mainland of America) and some Australians are desecrating our flag.

How are we fucked?

[Bluebear]

2. I think in the sense of international opinion

(Welcome Ms Mag!)

I don't want to answer for the poster, but if Australians are burning our flag, (they have always loved Yanks!), we are hitting rock bottom in the court of world opinion.

[Catholic Sensation]

8. Didn't like 70% of the Australian population disagree with this war?

I know their more intelligent legislators dislike Bush intensely. Since that farce of an election in 2000 our international standing has dropped like the Sacramento Kings during the NBA Playoffs.

[Malva Zebrina]

20. I think many Australians know that most Americans hate Bush as much as

they do. I don't think their hatred is aimed at the American people, per se. I think they hate Bush and Howard for going into this slaughter in their name. I think also that Canadiens may think the same. They , as well as the Aussie, are wonderful, welcoming people.

[MsMagnificent]

13. They have always been our Allies

and among our oldest Best Friends

Damn, those are among the very few other-continent countries that Americans could safely visit or vacation to!

Who woulda thought true Isolationism would be literally forced upon us rather than something political we decide to do in respect to other countries?

If you can't see how this makes us truly F'ed... then I'm afraid I cannot explain it further to you.

[Catholic Sensation]

15. it's happening in England too

you seem to think they hate America rather than Bush, which isn't the case outside places we're presently fucking over explicitly.

[MsMagnificent]

23. Then why isn't Bush being burned in effigy

but the American Flag?

[Catholic Sensation]

24. which is harder to get possession of?

[MsMagnificent]

27. An *EFFIGY* is a DUMMY

oh wait... poor comparison...

all they have to do is stuff an old suit with rags, name it "Bush" and set it on fire.

Pretty easy to do, actually

[Catholic Sensation]

28. still easier to get a flag and burn it

and I know what an effigy is

[MsMagnificent]

30. Fine, you have the last word! LMAO

Oh, didn't realize making an effigy was so hard to get ahold of in your town...

Ridiculous argument anyhow, now since you *really* don't have the last word answer back now and that'll be it

Thank God

[foreigncorrespondent]

31. Will you please get a grip....

....because Aussies really don't hate the American people. Aussie hate the current American administration. Trust me, I should know, I am an Australian.

And to answer your simple question, repugs HATE the flag being burned don't they?

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[foreigncorrespondent]

42. Excuse me...

...but I never once tried to censor you, so get your facts right before you attack someone.

Now, I happen to hail from one of the countries you have put down in this thread by saying that now the people of these countries hate the peple of America. That is SIMPLY NOT TRUE! You want to slam a country? Slam it for something that is factual, not something that you have seen from a picture posted in a thread, with an Aussie burning a U.S. flag as a protest sign against the IRAQ WAR!

[greatauntoftriplets]

32. Burning the flag sends a message.

We did it during Vietnam.

[Tinoire]

37. We're fucked in a way that the Neo-voters refuse to see

People don't want this New World Order.

Don't see how much clearer it can be than that :shrug:


We're fucked. The American Empire is as dead as a door knob. The world is ganging up to prevent the bully from getting up again.

Kick him when he's down. End of story- we're fucked.

[Renew Deal]

3. Breathe

In



Out



In



OK, yes, we are fucked, but for many reasons beyond this.

[MsMagnificent]

19. *chuckle*

I AM, I AM!

Canada dislikes us for many reasons beyond this war (environmental for one!); Mexico dislikes us (and it didn't help that the RW pundits trashed it for refusing to join the "Coalition" even though they did it for their own moral compunction!)
South America? Cuba? Pfft - they can't stand us either.
Even Puerto Rico has always had a large anti-US faction...

And yes I completely agree MANY other reasons... but pretty soon it's gonna be literally US against the entire world!

People don't like bullies, and they band together against them...
so I still say we are royally f'ed. And it's still something I get upset over.
Sorry.

[Tinoire]

38. Funny. You must be a real trip in gatherings

Hope I get to meet you someday.

Breathe


In


Out


Gently


Calm


:)

[fearnobush]

4. People of the old country know an apostolate of Satan when they see one.

And that one is our selected one. The *, current king of the BFEE.

[RoyGBiv]

5. We? No, no...

Him. The Shrub is really and truly screwed.

A friend of mine just got back from Ireland about a month ago. He'd had the trip planned for over a year but was starting to get a little leery of going from fear of "hatred of Americans." But he decided to go anyway.

Everywhere he went, he was asked about the Shrub, the war, and what his personal views were. All he had to say was, "I'm not voting for that SOB" and the drinks started flowing.

The Irish, Australians, etc. don't hate "us." They hate our leader and everything he stands for. By extension, they hate those that support him.

Now should some travesty befall us this November that puts the Shrub back in the WH, all bets are off. The coming election in foreign eyes will be a referendum on our worth.

[Jacobin]

6. Actually, I think this is GOOD news.

Other countries still have free speech and are able to demonstrate their disgust for the moron in the WH.

Maybe, just MAYBE this will let Murkins know that if you've got fricking Australia and Fricking Ireland against the Smirk, there might just be a teeeensy weeeensy problem in the WH

[MsMagnificent]

21. Nah - the WH will just say that

they too, hate us for our freedom!
Damn their liberty-hating eyes!

And the stupid people will blindly believe them once again

Hey, it's a great phrase, why waste it on just one faction when we can use it on many more?
Nevermind that is doesn't MEAN anything!

[Kool Kitty]

44. Yeah, but I really think that now

the people that hate us, hate us for our government (this misadministration, I should say) and not for our freedoms. Most people in the world know the difference between the people of the United States and the assholes that run the United States. Remember, the rest of the world knows that this President wasn't elected, even if some in this country are still in denial about it. The rest of the world knows that the election was stolen.

[Rosco T.]

7. Y'all thought I was silly when I said the 'october suprise' may come...

.. from OUTSIDE the country... first they want to keep Shrubya out, next US Products... then not SELL to the US....

all at Shrub's feet.

[smirkymonkey]

34. Just for the record

I think you may be right...and I think Kerry knows that, which is why he's laying low right now.

I am beginning to think it's our only hope.

[greatauntoftriplets]

9. I guess they are not pleased with the United States.

And I cannot blame them.

:shrug:

In fact, I say go Australia and Ireland!!!!

[MasonJar]

10. Go, Ireland. Do y'all remember how popular Bill Clinton was in

Ireland? They loved him.

[qwertyMike]

12. Me ould Dad

Went to see Clinton speak to 250,000 outside Belfast City Hall. He said he was never so moved in his life.

Clinton gave a lot of himself to the peace process there. He was ther about 6 times.

[Hubert Flottz]

17. Remember how popular Bill Clinton was in America!

Except for the Rabid Clinton HATERS!

Bush looks a lot like Adolf to the people around the world and to anyone with any sense in the US too!

[rucky]

39. So popular he now has a place there

right on the golf course.

[qwertyMike]

11. The visit to Ireland is part of the tradtional

election year Three-"I"'s Presidential tour.
Ireland, Israel, Italy - for the voters back home.

Every President has managed to trace some Irish roots and the locals dig up distant 'relatives' and the small village involved makes a killing from the money the entourage/secret service spend for the photo - op.

The most difficult was Nixon, a Quaker, but they did dig up an old Quaker meeting house in the Protestant north. A buddy of mine played a distant cousin of Nixon. He was payed well in $US.

Drinks were taken.

Clnton was like a saint over there. And JFK's picture hangs besidde the Pope's in many homes and pubs. Jackie was the Virgin reincarnate.

If Bush isn't welcome there, how will he fare in Italy with the mandatory audience with the Pope?!?!?!

Israel's out to maybe

What an asshole.

[Catholic Sensation]

14. when did this become tradition?

Kennedy was the first President to visit Ireland while still President.

[qwertyMike]

16. I used the word 'tradition' loosely

I thought 40 years would qualify as tradition in the new world.
;)

[Nightjock]

18. I think it's great news.

Like was said in apost above this one-they don't hate Americans just our selected leader.

We are the only country in the world that would have 40 percent of it's people favor Bush unconditionally. And I suspect they support him because these people are too proud too admit they were wrong or are racists that just view anyone in the mid east as a terrorist.

[Padraig18]

22. Relax! The Irish like *us* just fine.

It's only * they can't stand; they like Americans just fine. :)

[MsMagnificent]

25. We hated Hitler too

but we went to war against the country of Germany

[kvnf]

26. I love this news

You know, I love other countries. Especially the solidly democratic ones like those in Europe, but also australia, india...

When you read about political discourse in these countries, you read things like,

"Socialist Party chairman so-and-so said..."
or
"Green Party MP Mr. X said..."
or
"The Communist Party will be an integral part of the new coalition government..." (i'm thinking india, here)

They actually have real democracies where left-wingers get represented in government! WHAT A NOVEL IDEA!!!!!

[MsMagnificent]

29. Oh, do you mean OLD Europe?

*disdainfully, with WASP nose in air*
Betty Bowers, we need you now!

*chuckle* I'm teasing ya :>

Yep, what a novel idea! Representation for ALL
The right-wingers want to "kill us" and "put us in Concentration Camps" (see LittleGreenFootballs for those actual comments!)

[SammyWinstonJack]

33. Correct me if I am wrong............

Don't know about Australians, but doesn't the Irish welcome Clinton into their Country with open arms? Don't they love him? Way to go Georgie, you "uniter" you! Three and a half years and bush* has managed to send us all to hell in a very ugly handbasket!

[opihimoimoi]

35. All they have to do is what the Swedes did: Mass MOON the guy

That'll make um winch

[snippy]

36. Reminds me of this.

[Sapphocrat]

43. I find this announcement ...

...incredibly anti-climactic.

What do you think Australia is going to do -- steal the war planes off our bases down there, and drop a cadre of boxing kangaroos on each of our largest cities?

FYI, the Australian people are generally very pro-American, and extremely anti-Bush*. I wouldn't lose any sleep over all 19 million Aussies making a collective decision to start shooting our incoming planes out of the sky, poisoning the lamb shanks they export to the U.S., or refusing to eat any more Big Macs.

It's a symbolic statement. And, frankly, if John Howard had somehow dragged Bush* into a mindless "war", I'd be burning the Aussie flag myself about now. But I sure wouldn't hate the Aussie people.

I really don't understand the panic. Aussies still like Americans, more or less (although why they do is beyond me). It's American policy (and our so-called "leadership") they detest.

I'm going to go worry about something important now -- like wonder what I'm going to do every Thursday night now that E.R. is in reruns.