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maveric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 03:31 AM
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Its the SAME chair!!
http://marc.perkel.com/archives/000233.html

I hope that this isnt a dupe.
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AZCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 03:35 AM
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1. Hmm... Now that the "Bert Is Evil" site is down...
Edited on Sat May-15-04 03:36 AM by AZCat
Bert is Evil site graveyard: http://www.fractalcow.com/bert/bert.htm

Anybody up for creating an "Evil Wal-Mart Chair" site?

Remember - Bert was friends with terrorists also! Be vigilant, don't let the chair fool you!

Edit: for sp
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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 03:59 AM
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8. BERg vs. BERt
This is getting scary ...
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AZCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 04:08 AM
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9. Yes... And BERt is gone...
I sense that you see the truth of the C.H.A.I.R. now...

Cold
Hearted
Arab
Interrogating
Recliner
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RafterMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 06:03 AM
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12. I notice that chairs are absent from this rally for Evil Bert
Edited on Sat May-15-04 06:05 AM by RafterMan


*Suspiciously* absent...
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 04:08 AM
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10. oh COME ON.
If you are serious, then I see the mentality behind your countless conspiracy theories.

If you are joking, then your name should be sickdog instead of stickdog. :eyes: It's really shitty to joke IN ANY WAY about this guy's death.
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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 08:00 PM
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17. And if I'm just having a little fun at my own expense?
What then?
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Wonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 03:38 AM
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2. Marc (grinz2much before he got tombstoned) is high or something.
The chair in the hallway shot doesn't have arms, for starters.

The chair being some kind of major clue as to what really happened is a serious wild goose chase, imho. White plastic chairs are popular there and here because they're so cheap to produce and fairly durable and easy to clean. I'm not going to waste any more time on this.
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7th_Sephiroth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 03:41 AM
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3. the chair in the hallway shot does too have arms
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Wonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 03:48 AM
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6. Ok, you're right. The other shot from the other angle looks different.
Still, there's WAY more than just one white plastic chair in Iraq, I'm sure.
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7th_Sephiroth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 03:50 AM
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7. yeah, but
are they common in iraq? Did halliburton who probably supplied the chairs supply chair models that are unique in iraq?
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 11:03 PM
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28. # 2


Am I the first person that thinks #2 in the photo with your identical white chair that thinks he looks like one of the soldiers in the abuse picture below?

I'm sorry but he seems like it to me.
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rooboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 03:45 AM
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5. There are a lot more coincidences than just the chair. n/t
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7th_Sephiroth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 03:45 AM
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4. more reasons to scrutinize ALL the Abu Gharib pix
what if berg ended up in a few of the shots before his "execution"
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izzie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 05:51 AM
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11. Trouble. The chair is run of the mill and the suits are used every place
and walls tend to look the same. But you could be right. I just think you are reading in to it things that are just general.Why would we want to kill this man? And the Arabs do lob off heads for things in that part of the world. It is also scary to us, so terrorist would use it.
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charlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 06:36 AM
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13. Plastic patio furniture in Iraq

Iraqi men watch in a cafe in downtown Baghdad, Iraq. May 5, 2004 U.S. President's Bush interview on Arab television chanel Al Jazeera. Bush said in the interview that the treatment of prisoners at Abu Ghraib prison was 'abhorrent' and does not represent 'the America that I know.' (AP Photo/Khalid Mohammed)
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/040505/4...
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fishnfla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 08:00 AM
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14. Guy with a gun to Pearl's head has a gold ring too n/t
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 09:33 AM
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16. And it's Daniel, not Richard.
They mixed up the names.
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TheWebHead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 08:04 AM
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15. here's some iraqis sitting in that style chair
at least the guy on the left it looks similar... it's from 5/23/03 in Baghdad:


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onecitizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 08:29 PM
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18. It IS the same chair.............
or at least the same style. But it does give me goosebumps. OMG! Please don't let it be.
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Kusala Donating Member (864 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 08:33 PM
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19. I keep seeing the CHAIR threads
and keep wondering why my neighbors haven't been arrested yet...they've got four of them on their patio!!! Surely they're in on it!!
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 08:39 PM
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20. Do your neighbors have yellow walls and issue orange jump suits
to visitors?
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ibegurpard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 10:23 PM
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26. If it was JUST the chair thing, I'd say nonsense
but all the other questions, most notably the discrepancy between the government line and the diplomatic proof as to Berg's detainee status, convince me this is NOT just a retaliation killing.
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Vickers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 09:02 PM
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21. lmao
Dude, I just called Homeland Security on my dickhead neighbors (even though their plastic chairs are green...hey, close enough for me!).
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TrogL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 09:12 PM
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22. I just bought two at Walmart
for $5.95 each.

I admit it. I killed Berg.
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comsymp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 11:14 PM
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29. LIAR!!!
It was my mom- She has four!!!

Gotta admit, I LMAO as we drove past a local grocery store this morning- they have stacks of 'em for sale out front (3.99, IIRC)~ which reminds me, gotta call Ashcroft in the morning to turn this local turr'ist (or CIA???) sleeper cell in! In fact, the store is called Winn Dixie- how much more blatantly anti-American could it be!?

FFS, people, there are enough legitimately peculiar points to this, uh... incident, to warrant skepticism- watching intelligent adults going batshit over something so piddly really troubles me. And don't give me that "yeah but they also...." Please, PLEASE, for the love of sanity, take the chair out of the equation!
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NoPasaran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 09:59 PM
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23. This morning
As I was taking a walk I saw a couple of those chairs, smashed up and discarded by the side of the road! Destroying evidence?
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 10:14 PM
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24. ok... I'm leaning towards a least admitting that this is plausible
Edited on Sat May-15-04 10:17 PM by wyldwolf
..and that is a big leap into conspiracy theory-dom for me.

But, damnit! After reading the other posts in this thread, I'm leaning back the other way!
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onecitizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 10:21 PM
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25. Oh you all are too.......
funny!
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EV1Ltimm Donating Member (831 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 10:30 PM
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27. i'm sorry, but perkel is an idiot.
Edited on Sat May-15-04 10:31 PM by EV1Ltimm


that isn't US issue prison garb -- that's a womens silk pajama set. the poor bastard was kidnapped by a bunch of half-wits who like to play jailhouse with mommy's night clothes.

and it's a bunch of stereotypical crap to believe that all "arabs" are skinny, don't wear gold and don't wear tennis-shoes. is this a joke? am i missing out on something?



and since when did bullet proof vests start to look like ammo pouches? Notice a lack of protection of vital areas that bullet proof vests were specifically designed for?

and to further deepen the "me-not-getting-the-joke" bit, is iraq on the international white plastic chair blacklist? can no two walls in a video or photo be kinda close to being the same color? is it against islamic law to have the wrong time on one of your camcorders? can a beheading only be captured on one camcorder? can a valid beheading only occur when the person is still alive? are iraqi goons strictly forbidden from having access to video editing software and an internet connection?

I'm all for talking about how messed up it was that berg was in a US jail for 13 days and was subsequently captured by these goons because of it -- but pointing out silly things in a videotape is just going to make us look silly. i've even brought up some of the errors to a co-worker to enlighten him on some of the differing takes on the situation. his reply says it all: "what? the guy got his head chopped off, how does any of that make a difference?"

But hey, god bless perkel for hosting bartcop.

<flamesuit>
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TorchTheWitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 12:15 AM
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30. Thank god someone brought this up
I'd been itching to point out that Nick is obviously not wearing a jumpsuit, US issue prison garb or otherwise. There's no opening in the front to get in and out of it, therefore, it would have to be a shirt/pant set. Seems fairly obvious that it's more then likely pajamas that just happen to be orange. The only thing I'd disagree with you on is that they're women's pajamas. Middle Eastern men where the same thing as PJ's. One of my brothers who spent a couple of years in the Middle East has the exact same PJ set that he bought there except they're blue... a pullover style shirt (with the "V" notch in the neck so your head fits through) and drawstring pants (for some reason they don't seem to be big on elastic waistbands there). They're very common Middle Eastern sleepwear for men and come in a variety of colors. Very comfy sleepwear in a broiling area where it's unseamly to sleep naked or even shirtless. One thing my brother noticed in spending time in the ME was that men commonly wear bright or "girlie" colored clothes that here would seem too feminine... his PJ's are light blue/torquise color that men here probably wouldn't be caught dead in.
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John_H Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 01:49 AM
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31. You forgot these three DU Tinfoiler gems.....
My personal fave is the poster who points out that one of the captors "wipes his nose with his left hand, not a very Islamic move." You know nose wiping. That is sooooo like totally a Christian move.

"That's a fancy watch for desert people. It looks jarhead or CIA to me." I have contact Fossil, asking them to provide all Desert People with those new fangled things.....whatr are they called, again...oh yeah. Watches.

And from the I've-been-to-a-lebanese-restaurant department,
someone would like to see what is in Berg's stomach, "MRE's or felafel and tea."
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