What is your stance on the Mexican Border??

[Nimble_Idea]

Is it the same with the canadian border?
Race will be a HUGE issue in the coming elections, it always has, and always will be.....


The major players in the race of races is the new largest group that is latino population....

so, what does the liberal progressives think about a third world country and it's people trying to get over the border to the U.S???
as opposed to Canada, who is member of the G8 global domination.

[DrWeird]

1. I think we need a big cement wall w/ razor wire and machine guns!

Just like republicans!

[shraby]

2. Shades of

Russia!!!

[DrWeird]

4. I was thinking more of Berlin.

The other nazi stronghold.

[struggle4progress]

30. That would be a great way to seal off Texas ...

but the thread's about Mexico

[Mountainman]

3. They don't register to vote.

They come here because there is work in the fields and now because Bush talk about amnesty.

The thought that they come her to vote Dem is something B-1 Bob Dornan alleges annually. It is a straw man.

Your cost of food would increase if they weren't here. They pay taxes when they spend money. They usually take their checks to a store where they live and then spend some of the money and send some to Mexico.

Most of their children who are born here get a good education. They become middle class citizens and if they vote Dem when they are old enough it is usually because of the Repubs anti immagrant stance.

[MrSlayer]

5. This is one of my conservative issues.

I would like the border sealed and the flow of illegals stopped. There are legal ways to get in and apply for citizenship. We should do all we can to ensure those laws are strictly enforced.

[Solon]

6. It's a line on a map.

[nomaco-10]

7. I say we let them cross the border in record numbers.....

and let them have a place in this country. They pick our fruit, clean out toilets, pave our roads and shingle our roofs. They work their fingers to the bone for a shot at the "American Dream". The dream this country lost sight of decades ago. Remember the dream, a little ranch house with a yard, any car that ran and one color TV? Now it's a 5,000 square foot palace covered with granite and gold plated bathroom fixtures in some gated community.

When's the last time you drove up to a fast food drive thru window and were served by anybody other than a minority? The large theme park in my town had to buy a hotel and bus hundreds of Hispanics here to work in the restaurants and clean the rooms at it's huge hotel years ago because they couldn't get any high school kids on summer vacation to even apply.

Not lost on me either, is the fact that there were thousands of Hispanics sent to Iraq that were promised citizenship for themselves and their families for serving this country. Anybody willing to work as hard for the "dream" as our Latino neighbors and even be willing to die for it in some bullshit war that doesn't even effect them, I say, we give it to them.

[fishnfla]

8. anyone who is interested in this issue should read the book

"The Devil's Highway" by Luis Urrea. EXCELLENT book

My opinion is we should reduce our defense budget overseas, use our soldiers to guard the borders, and increase our foreign aid to central american countries to improve the standard of living in the migrants hometowns, giving them less incentive to come here. They are motivated by a better life, help them achieve it where they live.

[kodi]

9. brother's an ex border patrol agent & quit because he kept getting shot at

it's a real mess. he has been shot at several times, some times by illegal trafficing of drug dealers, other times by illegal aliens atempting to cross the border.

he tells me that ranchers are patrolling the border because they can't get the BP to stop the people coming over the border.

these ranchers are willing to shoot these migrants and leave them in the dirt. its not getting much attention, but its happening almost every day and the BP is looking askew at it.

either close completely the border with walls and moats, or invest in billions to stop the flow of migration, and murders.

[fishnfla]

14. Your brother would be interested in the book i mentioned

It is very sympathetic towards the border patrol, they allowed the author access into the circle. (the author is liberal leaning)

Its a thankless and dangerous job,as you describe. everyone seems to hate them, the migrants, the narcos, the coyotes, the ranchers, the liberals, the goverment.

[radwriter0555]

19. Why not just open the borders and let our original Americans have free

access to the country they're roamed for centuries?

Give them work permits,bmake them pay taxes, heck we have plenty to share.

Mexicans are Americans. Their families were here LONG before our european colonial butts were, let them come and go as they please.

[Baltimoreboy]

20. I unfettered travel would be a problem

People would come to America by the tens of millions. That would cause social service catastrophe in many places.

[kodi]

23. in any age massive migrations disrupt concurrent societial structures

i have a bunch of friends who swear that native american blood courses thru their veins. does that mean that argentina should let them in without documentation?

[rabid_nerd]

10. Kinda like a

tripod...

[KG]

11. my stance? parade rest.

[solinvictus]

12. Close the border

If we minimize illegal immigration, then we can place some upward pressure on wages. Illegals have taken over the construction and carpet manufacturing industries here and as a consequence, wages are depressed.

[rene moon]

13. As a Latina and a person who lives less than an hour from Nogales

The undocumented will keep coming. Closing the border is nothing short of ridiculous. It angers me that most people just say" close the borders, we dont need any stinkin' mexicans" when many of us have been here for generations.

And they are not taking your jobs, the employers want to hire low-wage workers so they get can away with not paying for benefits, better wages, etc..

Mexicans have a great work ethic. And to treat them like yesterday's garbage is wrong.

[kodi]

16. i feel ya' ms. moon, but what will happen to the US if it continues

the structural strains on health care, education, and law enforcement are severe in the southwest because of the migration.

we are rapidly approaching a critical situation where large sums of money will have to be spent on these things and i want what is both just, and efficient if possible.

i have another brother who is a doctor with the US health service and he works with the poor in the phoenix area and he also mentions to me that the influx of migrants is a severe problem straining the ability of the govt to provide even the barest of services.

and i don't have any answers for you about what mexicans (and other central americans) are to do if the borders are actually walled, but i dont consider my remarks as a slur on migrants, nor do i treat anyone like garbage. after-all my folks only got here 100 years ago and were spurned too by then current residents.

[rene moon]

18. well, there should be regulations of course

After working for an elected official, I can understand why people come over here illegally. Our immigrations laws are unjust and punish both the undocumented and legal immigrant.

Do you know there are two AZ state legisltors, Randy Graf and Russell Pearce, have started the "Protect AZ Now" initiative. It is designed to hurt immigrants, legal or otherwise. Here is a link if you are interested.

http://www.pan2004.com/

[kodi]

22. oh sweet jesus, what a mess, especially # 2, proof of citizenship?

anyone with an "accent" could be flagged by the election poll workers and forced to prove citizenship.

yet, i think the issue has been solved in the courts a long time ago on such blatant attempts at voter discrimination.

[nomaco-10]

17. My state has a very large Hispanic population as well as.....

having the second largest Kurd population in the United States. I have found the Hispanic population in particular to be extremely affable, hard working and one of the most family oriented people I've ever seen. The Kurds are also a kind, gentle and hard working people. Both cultures have brought alot of diversity, cultural charm and commerce to my once stale, predominately white southern city. I'm glad they're here and I hope no one will ever suggest we "close and barb wire" our borders, we may as well tear down the Statue of Liberty if we do.

[Canuckistanian]

15. Feet apart, shoulder width, relaxed elbows.

Now just get it over with.

[submerged99]

21. I lived 12 miles from the Border on the TO reservation.

The Tohono O odham Reservation is bisected by 75 miles of the U.S/Mexican Border. I spent one summer there, doing search and rescue and picking up the bodies of the crossers who had died trying to come across. Virtually all of the ones that I talked to were coming over to work in seasonal jobs.

If you go to the border, on the TO reservation, most of the time you wont see any border patrol agents there. Instead, they sit about 20 miles inside the reservation on the highway. They park under the trees and stop all the cars that look suspicious to them. The cars that get stopped are ones that are carrying more than 3 passengers. Virtually all of their stops are of "brown people" and this includes the Tohono O odham.

Every weekend, during the summer, white people drive through the border to Rocky Point. They drive back on Sunday or monday and they don't get stopped or hassled by the Border Patrol. On the other hand, a granda and her kids driving to Tucson are pulled over and their car rummaged through. This stuff happens on a daily basis and is one reason that the Border Patrol is not liked.

[bigbillhaywood]

24. Prone. A cigar to anyone who can link this reference to a famous black

militant.

[NoPasaran]

27. Stokely Carmichael

"The proper position of women in the movement is prone"
http://www.newsandletters.org/Issues/2002/July/war_Jul02.htm

Not a very nice thing to say.

[bigbillhaywood]

29. Very good. I actually wrote "prone" first, then immediately realized

the Stokely Carmichael reference. He was widely criticized as being sexist after this (especially by white feminists), but was defended by many women in the black liberation movement as having made this off-color joke tongue-in-cheek, and was more guilty of bad judgement than sexism.

[Dying Eagle]

25. Being a Union construction worker

I am all for closing all boarders and making sure you are a legal citizen of the US to work here. The illegal immigrants are hurting them selfs and me by roofing a house for $3.00 a hour.

I am in the Carpenters Union and we lost Millions of dollars in trying to establish the union in Mexico but it never took hold. The reason was the lack of a workforce (in construction) and the uncooperative Mexican Government.

We need to keep the boarder closed and find a way to get the Mexican government to help in establishing the unions.

[bigbillhaywood]

26. You can organize the ones that are already here...

From what I know about the Carpenters, you're already doing that. The other trades need to get on board. The labor movement has a great history in this country of immigrant contributions to organization.

By the way, the Mexican government will never cooperate. I have some limited experience organizing unions in Mexico, as well as organizing Mexicans here. If every union dumped resources down there (and did so strategically), we could help them get organized IN SPITE OF the government. Don't forget, we gotta battle it out with the police up here too, sometimes. Back in the day, we also had to contend with private armies, the National Guard and the military just like the Mexicans do now. If we did it, so can they.

[Texican]

28. Good Times

Some of the best times I ever had and the best people I ever met were just a short walk south of the Rio Grand. We used to a pretty good guest worker program. Somehing like that if fairly enforced would help.

[TexasMexican]

31. Open Border

I'd support opening the boarder with Mexico if they would let us have closer military and police ties with them.

They would have to extride people back to the US to face the death penalty and Mexico would have to tighten its other borders more stringent checks on people from outside of this hemisphere.

Same with Canada.

[No2W2004]

32. Where I stand on the borders?

I usually standing north of the Mexican border and south....wait

oops, you said "stance"

I feel that Mexico will eventually end up as "America's heartland."

Just like they say in Futurama.