I am not looking at that Berg video.

[MikeG]

Because its what they want us to do.
Anyone else agree?

[King_Crimson]

1. I looked...

and it's not for the faint-at-heart...believe me!

[FARAFIELD]

27. i watched it at ogrish.com

it was grim, about the same as the perle video

[quinnox]

2. I'm the same way

I don't understand why anyone would want to, frankly. Unless they are a fan of grotesque images or perhaps a ghoulish curiosity.

I prefer to look at beautiful things.

[Jim Warren]

3. Explain please

"its what they want us to do"

[SlavesandBulldozers]

5. they being the equivocators, i assume

the ones that say, "Well look at what them EYE-RAKIS did!" The ones who give in to terrorism by becoming terrorists.

[MikeG]

16. The murderers.

[Failure]

4. The only reason I looked, was so that I could talk about it

intelligently...I agree with you though, that the timing and circumstances are certainly suspicious, given the firestorm surrounding our own torture and killing. If it's going to be "eye for an eye" the whole world is gonna be blinded by this.


failure.

[catzies]

12. I can't look at it and I can't talk about it.

It's all too gruesome for me to contemplate. Not that I have Bar's "beautiful mind," but I don't ever want to be desensitized to human-on-human violence through repetition of the images. I'm queasy in the extreme. Don't even like most movies.

So I can't participate in these conversations, but I'm listening. And :cry: ing.

[Failure]

22. there's a lot of support here at DU...we'll hold you up. nt

[dsc]

6. If we are going to look at what our troops did to the Iraqis

then we owe it to look at what they are doing to our troops. The video was awful but I felt necessary to put this in perspective.

[devilgrrl]

37. Just make things clear...

That young man wasn't a soldier and neither were those men whose bodies were hung from a trestle, they were contractors. That being said, their deaths aren't any less disturbing than our troops and innocent Iraqi's.

[arwalden]

7. The Descriptions Alone Made Me Ill... Honestly... LITERALLY... Ill

it made me feel quite nauseous. I looked around to make certain the waste basket had a liner and was within easy reach. Just to be sure.

-- Allen

[phaseolus]

8. No way am I watching.

I was always horrified even by simple accident scenes with people getting hurt.

Just as sad as some poor shlub getting killed who was just trying to make a buck fixing stuff, is that the perps seem to think this is some kind of 'who can be the sickest fuck in the world' contest. What's even sadder is I'm sure some freeps want to be even sicker fucks.

Ain't lookin' there, either. Gonna go find some dinner in Tarrytown NY instead.

[seabeyond]

9. i felt it important to watch, and understand those that dont want to

i need to see it all. have been having flashes though the last 3/4 hours. wasnt a good thing. i also sat with the pictures of those killed in iraq. the babies, the children, the men, in their horror. i looked at the pictures of the soldiers, their tiredness their pain, ..........

it doesnt really have to do with "they"

[Old and In the Way]

10. Not my kind of porno.

I don't need to see it to understand what transpired.

[turiya]

11. I saw it

and have no emotional reaction.

[catzies]

15. Welcome to DU.

Perhaps you would be interested in what they have to offer here:

http://www.umsl.edu/services/govdocs/ooh20002001/377.pdf

And don't forget your enlistment papers:

http://www.1800goguard.com/home.html

Have a nice day.

[Failure]

23. mindnumbing....nt

[whosinpower]

13. I saw the tape

And now regret it. I feel.....dirty somehow. But, I do not feel hatred at the perpetrators, which is what the release was supposed to release I suppose.

What I feel is pain, pain towards the family of that young man, and anger that the US administration would get this occupation so wrong, so ugly, so outside the principles of justice and law, that people would be enabled to do this.
And, feeling rather machieavellian, I cannot help wonder at the timing of this release, just days after the torture photos. Are we supposed to think of Iraqi's as animals, barbaric animals who saw off their perceived enemies heads off?

One man's unfortunate execution cannot wipe away the tens of thousands that the US have killed, and dead is dead. Where will this end? How will this end? Our focus is gone, so blinded by atrocities, torture, murder, rape. What are we trying to accomplish? I can no longer see the benefits of a Saddam free Iraq. And, perhaps that is saddest of all.

Have you noticed the rhetoric now on the war on terror? Now, the senators and the congressmen are fessing up to the fact that this is a generational war...it could go on for DECADES. How is it that we have fallen into the same trap that Israel suffers???? How is it that we have willingly degraded our moral compass to fight this....and more importantly, how will we ever get it back????

[nonconformist]

14. I watched, but now I regret it

Because it's been haunting me ever since.

I wasn't going to watch, but I wanted to be able to discuss it intelligently and fully understand what transpired. Now I just feel ill. So much horror everywhere...

[malachibk]

17. I almost watched it but stopped well before they killed him

I couldn't bear it. Which is ironic since I was watching "Faces of Death" bootleg videos when I was a 8.

I can't watch that man get his head cut off for real. Can you imagine what his parents are going through knowing the world is watching that happen to their son?

[Malva Zebrina]

18. I would look at it, but my dial up tells me it is an hour and more

download. :shrug:

Meanwhile the descriptions here seem to be adequate in describing what went down.

[Jim Warren]

20. Not to encourage, mind you....

but Stickdog has a ten minute download(dialup)link on GD right now.

[MikeG]

19. We will get to see many dead people before we die ourselves.

We don't need to go looking for it.

[imax2268]

21. I saw it a few hours ago...

and I'm still troubled by it...but my troubles are slowly turning into anger...anger at this administration for getting us into this position...

And now with some of the threads here about this was possibly an "inside" job...I don't know what to think anymore...the timing of it all is definetly got me wondering...

bottom line for me is...enough is enough...BushCo should be impeached...Rummy should resign and all of them should be brought up on charges for war crimes...

This hasn't made me mad at the Iraqi's...it has made me mad at the administration for getting us into this mess...

[Bread and Circus]

24. I watched it. It has left me feeling sick all day.

So sad.

[Failure]

25. You're a doctor right? May I ask you a question? eom

[Bread and Circus]

29. Sure. And frankly, I am pretty tough on that stuff....

But go ahead, ask your question.

[Failure]

33. after seeing the video...

in your opinion, what kinda time would it have taken to complete the murder. There is an edit on the video, I think.


failure.

[Frederic Bastiat]

26. It was bizarre

I never thought one could be decapitated so easily. I feel sorry for the family and how they got caught up in this mess. If you can fight the urge not to watch it I would advise so, definetly not for the faint of heart.

[Raenelle]

28. No. I'm not. I can barely stand to hear about it. God bless him.

[kitkatrose]

30. Right now I'm downloading it,

but I don't know if I'll ever watch it. I didn't seek out the prison torture pics and don't really feel the need to see the video; my imagination is active enough, thank you very much. I'm already sick over this whole situation and nauseated from the descriptions of the pics and the video. I'm gonna log off soon, so I can collect myself well enough to function tomorrow.

[SideshowScott]

31. I dont think I can watch eather..

I just cant watch something like that. I think some of you are right that they WANT us to watch it and im just not into watching a snuff film. I cant take seeing someone die..

[varun]

32. I turned the sound off...

...and watched the video. I did not want to hear the screams.

It was still brutal.

[Maddy McCall]

34. No, not with your reason. If I decided not to look at it, it would be...

out of respect for the Bergs.

I looked at it, though. No words for it. "horrific" and "gruesome" don't do that video justice.

[kaitykaity]

35. I won't.

I can not handle it. I could barely handle seeing
him sitting there in front of them.

Gawd, what Hell hath George Bush wrought.

[knight_of_the_star]

36. I saw it

but the link I got linked it to one with a slow feed for the video. I only caught the audio, and yes, I stopped before they actually did the deed. I feel that I don't really need to see or hear THAT part, but I saw enough for what I wanted to know.

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39. I won't watch it

No reason to.