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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 01:54 PM
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Voting Bush Out Is The Only Way To Stop the Madness
Every wrongheaded, or illegal action that Bush takes between now and the election can only be trumped by the votes against him in November. The republican controlled Congress is not going to hold him accountable for anything and most of the investigations that we could manage to start wil not bear fruit in time to upend him.

I expect every action Bush takes between now and November to be a test of the public's tolerance for his cabal's meddling nonsense, and a challenge to our party to stop him before he acts again.


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dubyaD40web Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 01:57 PM
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1. "Voting Bush Out Is The Only Way To Stop the Madness"
I agree. And, I've noticed the public's tolerance is getting thinner and thinner.
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zonmoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 02:55 PM
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8. but
undoubtedly the election will be rigged so that he wins. And if anybody demands recounts or other proof they will end up in gitmo. Also the cheating machines will have no proof other than their faked readouts to give so cheating will be unprovable.
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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 02:05 PM
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2. They aren't worried.
If they are voted out the pardon pen will be working overtime. That was why there was so much flap about Clinton's pardons. They knew they were going to need'em when they left office.
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John_H Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 02:10 PM
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3. This has to be the main line from now till november.
On the tax cuts, jobs, iraq, civil liberties, everything: the rot is too deep and reaches too far down in the administration to fix by getting rid of a few people. They've all got to go--Ashcroft, Rice, Wolfowitz, Fieth, Norton, Thompson. Everyone.
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pacifictiger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 02:13 PM
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4. the only way to stop the madness
is to get behind Dean's movement to elect common sense representatives to Washington from all over this nation! Bush only has power because the spinless representatives there now have given it to him. He would be well on his way to being impeached now if they had any integrity whatsoever, but most of them are trying to cover their own buts too. Yes Bush needs to go, but even if Kerry, or even Nader, gets in, that won't change the fact they they won't be able to do anything effective until common sense is the order of the day, and partisan gamesmanship for the sake of "winning" is eliminated.
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apnu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 02:51 PM
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7. Agreed....
... For all his faults, perceived or real, Dean has done a wonderful thing by turning Dean For America into Democracy For America. Brilliant move!
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vi5 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 02:22 PM
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5. But what about my protest vote? How will I feel special?
How will I overthrow the system? What about the revolution? I want revolution and I want it now.













sarcasm/off
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 02:33 PM
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6. If that is even possible
"Extreme Gerrymandering" and perhaps a dozen different moves the Busheviks have taken over the years has so throughly parasitized and rigged our system that it may not even still be possible for popular will to assert itself through "voting".

We'll see.
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pacifictiger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 03:04 PM
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9. Dems have been guilty of gerrymandering too in the past
Its time for everyone to recognize that the situation is so serious, we must begin to work for honesty and integrity before specific issues. I suspect if the manipulation and gamesmanship is taken out of both sides, the reality is that the majority of people on basic issues are not too far apart. If there is not honesty at every level, we are indeed a nation of nothing but smoke and mirrors.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 03:12 PM
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12. You are correct, but not "Extreme Gerrymandering"
The use of computers/marketing/personality profiling has creatyed a new level of Gerrymandering.

I am not arguing Democratic Purity here, but that the Busheviks have taken things on many fronts to levels only seen in Totalitarian Nations. That includes greeymandering/recalls/semi-legal maneuvering.

Curreently, under the Imperial Family, Amerika is as dishonest and morally bankrupt as it's ever been.
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CityZen-X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 03:06 PM
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10. It Has Come Down To....
the evil of the lessers, wouldn't you agree?
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 04:47 PM
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16. I'm a strong Kerry supporter
As Bill Clinton once said, "Cynicism is a luxury".
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Claire Beth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 03:07 PM
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11. that will be a good start...BUT...
we have to gain the majority in the senate and house, too! We need to rid congress of some gopers.
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radwriter0555 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 03:40 PM
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13. Voting Kerry IN is the best way to stop the madness!
Kerry CAN restore decency, honor, truth, trust and dignity to our White House.

VOTE FOR JOHN KERRY!

http://www.johnkerry.com
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FlemingsGhost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 03:46 PM
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14. Your naiveté is charming...
I have serious doubts that John Kerry--whether he believes he can, or not--will be able to (or even wants to) address the massive electoral and governmental "systems failure" that allows the likes of Bush and the PNAC bunch to take full authoritarian control of the U.S. government.

Of course, vote for Kerry. A new administration will serve as a much-needed reprieve from the current "madness." However, DLC right/centrist policy will only diagnose some of the symtoms, falling far short in actually initiating treatment of the disease itself.

Just watch... John Kerry will be another Jimmy Carter.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 04:45 PM
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15. Again, you make a mokery of your moniker
Scorn for Jimmy Carter, scorn and derision of our nominee. Just which Dems are you trying to unite?

Kerry has not been the carcaricture of a lawmaker that you paint here.

Other views:

Leading on Energy...
On January 22, 2002 Kerry became one of the first Democrats to present an alternative to the Bush administration's energy plan. Delivering a major policy addresss, "Energy Security is American Security," he stated, "If we enact the entire Bush energy plan we will find ourselves twenty years from now more dependent on foreign oil than we are today." Kerry called for a "national Strategic Energy Initiative," including increasing the amount of electricity from alternative and renewable sources to 20% by 2020, improving Corporate Average Fuel Economy (CAFE) standards, reinvesting in public transportation, and tax incentives for efficiency improvements.

Kerry was a leading opponent of efforts to drill in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. "It will never pass the Senate," he said in an August 1, 2001 statement. "You don't have to destroy a wildlife refuge to meet the energy needs of America," he told attendees of the California Democratic Party convention in February 2002. When the energy bill came up in early March, Kerry and Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) produced a bipartisan proposal to increase fuel efficiency standards. The amendment would have required automakers to achieve an average of 36 mpg for their combined passenger car and light truck fleets by model year 2015, however, on March 13 the Senate voted in favor of a weaker amendment sponsored by Sens. Carl Levin (D-MI) and Kit Bond (R-MO). Debate on the energy bill continued, and on April 18 Sens. Kerry, Lieberman, and other opponents of drilling in ANWR succeeded in putting a halt to the Administration's proposal as a cloture motion fell 14 votes short of the 60 required (S.Amdt.3132--46 to 54 vote).

...And Small Business Relief
From his position as chair of the Committee on Small Business and Entrepreneurship, Kerry sought to provide emergency economic relief for small businesses in the wake of the September 11 attacks. By mid-December, the Kerry-Bond American Small Business Relief and Recovery Act, S.1499, had gained the backing of 63 Senators. However, the Administration opposed the bill and Sen. Jon Kyl (R-AZ) blocked its consideration. For a time Kerry even resorted to placing a hold on all non-judicial executive nominations, but he was unable to advance the bill. Kerry and Bond managed to include some provisions in a defense bill. Finally, they achieved a compromise with the White House, and on March 22, 2002 S.1499 passed the Senate by unanimous consent. The estimated cost of the bill according to the CBO is $300 million.
http://www.gwu.edu/~action/2004/kerry.html
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As a fourth term US Senator, Kerry's legislative record is modest; Few bills bear his name. His 6,310 Senate votes, mainly liberal, have enough twists and turns to invite charges of inconsistency. But his signature investigations were models of dogged, even relentless focus, and may tell more about his persona and likely attributes as a president than anything else he has done in his 19 years in the Senate.

His probes included tracking illegal gunrunners to the Reagan White House (1985-86), drug traffickers to Panamanian dictator Manuel Noriega (1988), and Mr. Noriega's dirty money to BCCI and some of the top powerbrokers in Washington (1987-92).

"Every one of his investigations is about holding government accountable and forcing Washington to change official reality to conform to the facts on the ground," says Jonathan Winer, a top Kerry aide during these investigations. "He did it year after year after year. One investigation led to another."

To supporters, this capacity to ask penetrating questions is one that helps a leader craft policy in often-complex situations.

http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/0303/p02s01-uspo.htm
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Larkspur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 05:08 PM
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17. No, it's just the start of overcoming this Madness
Bush is but a symptom or the apex of Reichwing ideology. Boot Bush out is a start, but it does not guarentee that another Reichwing ideologue -- Jeb Bush or some other anti-Christ wannabe -- will seriously challenge a Prez Kerry in 2008. If Bush loses the White House, I expect the Reichwing of the Republican Party to run a political guerilla campaign against Kerry, especially if the Repukes hold onto Congress. They did it against Clinton, they planned to do it against Gore, if he had won, and they will certainly do it against Kerry, if he wins in November.
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Nlighten1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 05:18 PM
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18. No it isn't...
Voting Bush out will not end this madness it will only postpone it until a later date.

Bush and his cabal must be exposed for the evil pieces of shit they are. If you let them go they will just come back more emboldened than before.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 05:33 PM
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19. As Claire beth said
We need to bring in a Democratic Congress with our nominee.
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