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ithacan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 12:53 PM
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Need help on Tom Delay quote blaming Columbine on schools/evolution
Edited on Mon May-10-04 01:01 PM by ithacan
I'm trying to track down a great quote from Tom Delay, it's been mentioned by Krugman and others:

After the Columbine school shootings, DeLay suggested that the tragedy had occurred "because our school systems teach our children that they are nothing but glorified apes who have evolutionized out of some primordial mud." (NYT, 12.17.02)

Here's from a Krugman column:

How about the schools: after the Columbine school shootings, Mr. DeLay called a press conference in which he attributed the tragedy to the fact that students are taught the theory of evolution.
The New York Times, 6.13.03

After the Columbine school shootings, Tom DeLay, House Majority Leader and the most powerful person in Congress, suggested that the tragedy at Columbine High School had occurred "because our school systems teach our children that they are nothing but glorified apes who have evolutionized out of some primordial mud. Guns don't kill people; Charles Darwin kills people."

I need to find the actual source of this statement by Delay. Where did he say it? The references I've found all trace back to the Krugman column, which mentions a press conference after Columbine.

If anyone can help find the original citation of this quote I'd appreciate it!
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GirlinContempt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 01:00 PM
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1. Best I can find...
Edited on Mon May-10-04 01:00 PM by GirlinContempt
Full quote: "Guns have little or nothing to do with juvenile violence. The causes of youth violence are working parents who put their kids into daycare, the teaching of evolution in the schools, and working mothers who take birth control pills." http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=13152

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ithacan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 01:02 PM
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2. yeah, thanks
I found that too. What I haven't found is a place and date for the actual press conference when he said it. And if it was just after Columbine, in was in 1999...
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GirlinContempt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 01:15 PM
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4. Ah HAH!
I hope this helps:

This is not the first time that DeLay has gotten into trouble for his bold comments related to the teaching of creation and evolution. Following the massacre of students at Columbine High School in Colorado, USA, in 1999, DeLay stood on the floor of the US House and read an editorial that listed evolution-based teaching among the culprits: ‘… our school systems teach our children that they are nothing but glorified apes who have evolutionized out of some primordial soup of mud, by teaching evolution as fact.’

This quotation has been falsely attributed to Tom DeLay. It first appeared as a letter to the editor of the San Angelo Standard-Times (Texas, USA), 27 April 1999, and DeLay quoted the letter on the floor of the US House of Representatives. See DeLay floor speech on youth violence. See also Ken Ham’s comments on the connection between evolution and school violence in The ‘missing link’ to school violence?



However, I don't know how reliable that is, as I found it here: http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs2002/0425delay.asp#_edn4
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Ishoutandscream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 01:20 PM
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5. Oh dear lord
No wonder many of you think we Texans are fools. Delay is one sick, ignorant individual.
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Tempest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 01:08 PM
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3. I just spent 15 minutes Googling and can't find anything
Just the quote, nothing on when he said it or where the press conference was held.
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No2W2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 01:29 PM
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6. Here ya go....
REP. TOM DE LAY, Majority Whip: It couldn't have been because half our children are being raised in broken homes. It couldn't have been because our children get to spend an average of 30 seconds in meaningful conversation with their parents each day. It couldn't have been because our school systems teach the children that they are nothing but glorified apes who revolutionized out of some primordial soup of mud. It couldn't have been because we teach our children that there are no laws of morality that transcend us, that everything is relative, and that actions don't have consequences. What the heck, the President gets away with it. No, it must have been the guns.
(Week of June 16, 1999)

He was on the floor of the House quoting an editorial from a newspaper during a House debate on the Youth Violence Bill. He obviously agreeed with the sediments.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/congress/jan-june99/violence_6-17.html

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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 02:01 PM
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8. "...glorified apes who REVOLUTIONIZED out of some primordial soup"!
He couldn't possibly have really said that, could he? Well, even if he said EVOLUTIONIZED, it's a disgrace that one of the most powerful men in the government of the world's most pwoerful "democracy" feels comfortable enough to spout such ignorance.
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ithacan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 08:39 PM
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11. to be fair
the actual word he used was "evolutionized" (see below), but as you point out this is still idiotic.
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ithacan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 03:05 PM
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9. THANKS!!!
Thanks so much No2W2004!!!

I'd checked the Congressional Record for that day and apparently Delay had them remove these particular comments from the Record itself, they don't show up in the online version.

But here we see it, on PBS, which is using video feed of the House debate...

Apparently earlier that same day (june 16) he addressed a rally of ministers and made very similar comments...
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usregimechange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 01:31 PM
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7. What a nut job! n/t
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ithacan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 07:25 PM
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10. found the text in the Congressional Record
thanks to above posters...

This is from June 16, 1999, on page H4366 (you can search the entire Congressional Record here: http://www.gpoaccess.gov/crecord/

This is an amazing statement, and shows how extreme the republican party has become. DeLay is speaker of the House now. He is an extremist, as is made perfectly clear in these comments. I've bolded those of particular interest:

Mr. DeLAY. Mr. Chairman, I appre-ciate
the gentleman from Florida
yielding me this time.
Mr. Chairman, I just think it is sort
of ironic that the very ones that want-ed
us to come straight from the Senate
with a bill to the floor with no consid-eration
are now complaining because
there was not enough consideration.
Mr. Chairman, I just want to say that
the truth will make us free if we admit
what the truth is. Every once in a
while, I read something or hear some-thing
that blows away all that smoke
that clouds a particular issue. A letter
written by a Mr. Addison Dawson to
the San Angelo Standard-Times is just
such a statement. In fact, after I make
this statement, I do not think anybody
else needs to speak. We just need to
vote.
The following is Mr. Dawson’s letter,
which Paul Harvey read on his radio
show: ‘‘For the life of me, I can’t un-derstand
what could have gone wrong
in Littleton, Colorado. If only the par-ents
had kept their children away from
the guns, we wouldn’t have had such a
tragedy. Yeah, it must have been the
guns.
‘‘It couldn’t have been because half
our children are being raised in broken
homes. It couldn’t have been because
our children get to spend an average of
30 seconds in meaningful conversation
with their parents each day.
‘‘After all, we give our children qual-ity
time. It couldn’t have been because
we treat our children as pets and our
pets as children.
‘‘It couldn’t have been because we
place our children in day care centers
where they learn their socialization
skills among their peers under the law
of the jungle, while employees who
have no vested interest in the children
look on and make sure that no blood is
spilled.
It couldn’t have been because we
allow our children to watch, on aver-age,
7 hours of television a day filled
with the glorification of sex and vio-lence
that isn’t even fit for adult con-sumption.
‘‘It couldn’t have been because we
allow (or even encourage) our children
to enter into virtual worlds in which,
to win the game, one must kill as
many opponents as possible in the
most sadistic way possible.
‘‘It couldn’t have been because we
have sterilized and contracepted our
families down to sizes so small that the
children we do have are so spoiled with
material things that they come to
equate the receiving of the material
with love.
‘‘It couldn’t have been because our
children, who historically have been
seen as a blessing from God, are now
being viewed as either a mistake cre-ated
when contraception fails or incon-veniences
that parents try to raise in
their spare time. It couldn’t have been
because we give 2-year prison sentences
to teenagers who kill their newborns.
‘‘It couldn’t have been because our
school systems teach the children that
they are nothing but glorified apes who
have evolutionized out of some pri-mordial
soup of mud.

‘‘It couldn’t have been because we
teach our children that there are no
laws of morality that transcend us,
that everything is relative and that ac-tions
do not have consequences. What
the heck, the President gets away with
it.
‘‘Nah, it must have been the guns.’’
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