Are DUer's contributing to the abuse of Prisoners by posting the pictures

[TrueAmerican]

Poll question: Are DUer's contributing to the abuse of Prisoners by posting the pictures

over and over again?

[Junkdrawer]

1. Oh yea, radical Iraqis just flood to this site...

we have to beat them off with sticks... :eyes:

[Junkdrawer]

3. Anyone remember whose turn it is to translate our posts to Arabic?

I keep forgeting...

[Stuckinthebush]

26. <snarf!>

n/t

[TrueAmerican]

4. I don't see your point.

Would you like your picture of being raped plastered all over the internet?

[Tinoire]

9. Of course you don't

you "true American" you ;)

[TrueAmerican]

11. What's with the smiley?

So you are saying it's okay to keep posting these pictures because they are Iraqi's. If these were American women being rape, it still would be okay?

[frank frankly]

15. what's with the strawman?

don't start with the "it doesn't matter if they are brown people garbage."

the truth must be exposed. there is more to come. it is going to get worse.

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[Classical_Liberal]

21. The pictures should be shown because it is evidence

that Bush is running a fucked war.

[lectrobyte]

19. if I thought it would help end injustice, or change the course of an

invasion, or help keep it from happening to someone else, then I'd hit the send button myself. My guess is that the one of the victim standing on the box with wires on his hands is going to be in the history books. Without those pictures being out, this story would have been buried.

I should ask a question of my own, does anyone remember something about a prison getting mortared? That seemed pretty strange, since I'd think the last thing an insurgent, I mean freedom fighter, would want to do is attack a place where some of your own might be held. Do you think a torture victim was released and was looking for some payback on his jailers?

[Tinoire]

20. Additional answer. YES. Yes I would

because the horror of what the rapist did to my soul needs to bear testimony to his/her evil.

Pictures? Pictures of the EVIL of rape to wake people up? BRING IT ON!

No picture on the internet could be more humiliating, more sadistic, that having some a-hole pry my legs open.

Your sudden sensitivity to the horror of war is leaving me very cold.

[TrueAmerican]

24. You don't know me

Where on DU have I been supported of war? Please point to the link? I think you read the word "TrueAmerican" and assume I am a freeper. My username is "TrueAmerican" because I believe liberals are actually the "True Americans"

I have never supported this war from the get go. I have been a supporter of President Jimmy Carter, VP Al Gore, President Clinton, Gen Wes Clark, and now support Sen John Kerry for President.

[Tinoire]

28. BS. I can read. My eyes are excellent- thank you for caring!

If you would like me to draw up a list, please- please dare me. It will take no more than a few minutes once I put my mind to it and other ovservabt DUers come share thier insight. You've been apologizing for this war from day one.

"True American" indeed! I guess that means the rest of us are "false' Americans. I dunno . Help us out... "False Americans" :shrug:

[TrueAmerican]

29. Go for it!

I dare you to find a post that says I supported the war in Iraq.

Please enlist the support of all your friends.

[TrueAmerican]

30. Still Waiting

Prove me a liar.

Taking more than a few minutes. Isn't it?

[JCMach1]

2. the pictures are EVERYWHERE....

I am blogging them as popups now... I will at least let someone choose from here on out.

[TrueAmerican]

7. I guess because these are Iraqis

they don't qualify as human beings. So it really shouldn't matter if we post them, right?

[JCMach1]

10. I didn't say that at all

People need to see... on my blog I am letting them have a choice from here on out though...

It's going to get ugly... Pointy girl was just the sideshow.

[Classical_Liberal]

22. How would Americans know Bush was scum if nobody showed them?

n/t.

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[CharlesGroce]

8. I mean, think about this, REALLY THINK ABOUT THIS

If the pictures of coalition forces RAPING a female detainee were released first, wouldyou feel different about the situation?

[Tinoire]

14. Ah... now it's our sick desire? Let's just for an effing moment discuss

the sick desire

- of those who pushed for this war

- of those who apologize for this war

- of those who would choose to shield the American people from the horrors of this war because they well know that most Americans are good, decent people who will NOT stand for gratuitious violence :)



Boy am I LOVING this new neo-con talking point! Where on earth did you pick it up?

On edit: trying to find and even bigger photo to knock some God-damned sense into those who don't want to be "de-sensitized". Oh the wailing & gnashing of teeth- it's a little late to push for people to bury their heads dontcha think? The pictures are out. The neo-cons are finished. I'm certain that as a fellow progressive ;), you'll agree.

I mean, you do, don't you :shrug:

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[kentuck]

6. Perhaps it would never have stopped if it was not exposed ??

You didn't have that option. Perhaps it would have gotten much, much worse??

[Cleita]

17. Has it been stopped? Or, has it been moved somewhere else?

eom

[JohnOneillsMemory]

12. PHOTOS ARE WORTH A THOUSAND WORDS>TRUTH OUT NOW.

A PICTURE IS WORTH A THOUSAND WORDS BECAUSE OF BRAIN SCIENCE.
We need to re-sensitize the public to the reality of war with SCIENCE.

All these photos that have leaked have had a HUGE IMPACT on previously shielded public opinion. This happened during Vietnam and helped end the war. We can utilize the same human reactions to seeing people hurt that terrorists and warmongers use to affect people without harming people, just showing people who have already been harmed in photos. Remember the child in Vietnam with her clothes napalmed off? Or the photos of police dogs turned on black civil rights marchers in 1963?

I suggest that we make posters of the people killed and hurt by the neocon wars and put them up all over the place-cities, subways, parks, schools, concert halls, museums, restaurants, etc.

When humans see another human in pain, the parts of our brain that register stress go off in sympathy.

This is probably the result of millions of years of evolution as a 'pack animal.' Another human's face might warn us of bad or poisenous food or other elements hostile to physical survival.

Consequently, when we can actually see other people we sympathize with them. Physically. Whether we want to or not, it's in our genes.

That's why the Pentagon learned from Vietnam not to let Americans see the results of war on human beings or they wouldn't allow it.

The photo leaks of coffins and Abu Ghraib show the power of the 'out of sight out of mind' principle.

That's why secrecy and anonymity leads to atrocity.

Don't forget the photo of Rumsfeld shaking Saddam's hand.
GET THE PICTURE?

[TrueAmerican]

13. It's just my opinion

so nobody take offense. Please.

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[philosophie_en_rose]

25. No. People knew about abuse without the pictures.

The pictures vindicate the Iraqis, international agencies, and liberals that questioned the treatment of prisoners of war. These pictures are proof of the atrocities committed in Iraq. With or without the pictures, the Iraqis already knew that it happens.

I obviously am not a spokesperson for the Iraqi people. However, I would want the pictures to be shown, so that the world would understand what the people in Iraq already know.

[diamond14]

27. we have already SAVED LIVES by exposing the "bush* sex-torture

on POWs operation"

IMO, hopefully, at this time (at least temporarily) the tortures have stopped....



and perhaps, our work will even stop the entire bush* great STUPID war...and thereby, save many more lives, both our soldiers and innocent Iraqis.....

I stand up against bush* on MORAL grounds...