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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 11:33 AM
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IMO, these torture pics are deliberate. BushInc WANTS a Holy War.
Edited on Thu May-06-04 11:39 AM by blm
Every pic I have seen convinces me that the target audience is the Muslim world. That woman in the pictures is posing with that aim in mind. I am certain she is acting on orders. The pics are way too posed to be candid.

Bush's fundie allies have wanted this showdown. It will fulfill their prophecies. BushInc knows the believers will accept a nuclear event wrapped in the cover of Armageddon - a prophecy fulfilled. They have been preparing the gullible with the Left Behind propaganda for years now. It is no coincidence that LaHaye's final book in the series came out last month.
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 11:34 AM
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1. Or plausible denial for another MIHOP
:tinfoilhat:
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 11:35 AM
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4. For all we know, they'll nuke Boston this summer at the DNC convention
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 05:49 PM
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20. I'm kind of worried about that.
How easy would it be to let a terrorist act happen then.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 06:16 PM
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22. Same here.
You can't put anything past these fascists. They see everything as us and them.
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kiahzero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 06:18 PM
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23. Please don't joke about that
Edited on Thu May-06-04 06:18 PM by kiahzero
I'm going to be at the DNC Convention this summer... I've had my worries from time to time about an attack. Especially since al Qaeda has stated that they are worried about Kerry.

:tinfoilhat:
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 11:36 AM
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8. yes....they need an excuse for a major nuclear event.
They will claim for history that they had no choice.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 11:34 AM
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2. Yep :(
Danged nutcases have ruined my religion!

Would Jesus love a liberal? You Bet!
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 11:34 AM
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3. What series of books is that you are referring to?
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 11:36 AM
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7. The "Left Behind" ones, where all the GOOD Christians are raptured out of
Edited on Thu May-06-04 11:36 AM by GreenPartyVoter
here, and all the bad people are left on earth to suffer.

(And by "good" I mean Falwell's definition, not mine.)
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TNOE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 11:46 AM
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11. There are going to be ALOT of shocked
Christians when it doesn't happen........
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 11:48 AM
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12. The Left Behinders were happy about 9-11.
Edited on Thu May-06-04 11:49 AM by blm
They considred that horror to be part of the prophecy. It signalled a beginning of the end to them.

Disgusting how BushInc uses these believers to form the foundation to achieve their fascist goals.
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AntiCoup2K4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 06:39 PM
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27. Ever read Revelation 18?

17 For in one hour so great riches is come to nought. And every shipmaster, and all the company in ships, and sailors, and as many as trade by sea, stood afar off,
18 And cried when they saw the smoke of her burning, saying, What city is like unto this great city!
19 And they cast dust on their heads, and cried, weeping and wailing, saying, Alas, alas that great city, wherein were made rich all that had ships in the sea by reason of her costliness! for in one hour is she made desolate.


Sounds a lot like the WTC to me. If not a literal fulfillment of prophecy, then one Hell of a coincidence.
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 11:37 AM
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10. That would be the Left Behind series
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zbdent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 11:49 AM
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13. Gonna be a lot of pissed off fundies if the rapture did occur
the true followers of Christ will be wisked away.

Those "left behind" will be here to fight "the good fight". Bet there will be a lot of confusion of which side a lot of these "fundies" will be siding with . . .

BTW, I am not counting on my being whisked away . . . I'm f'd.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 12:33 PM
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14. The Left Behind books set them up to band together
behind a leader (Bush) so they can have a second chance at heaven.

Propaganda, pure and simple.
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zbdent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 01:04 PM
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17. So they would be fighting for the dark side,
eh?
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 02:56 PM
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18. Not in their minds.
To them they are following LaHaye's instructions to find redemption.

No coincidence in my view that they have worked diligently on the loyalty of the religious right AND the NRA
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TNOE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 11:35 AM
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5. Ding Ding Ding
we may have a winner - I have a thread wondering why this was let out - you may be exactly right. There has to be a reason - but I figure it will also give them alot of leeway in getting most things censored from now on.
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thebigidea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 11:35 AM
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6. funny how Bush and "OBL" seem to have exactly the same interests
Edited on Thu May-06-04 11:36 AM by thebigidea
Its shaping up to be a swell New American Century, isn't it?

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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 05:47 PM
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19. I don't think Bush's plan has anything to do with religion.
I think his plan is pure fascism with a few people running a corporate driven world.

Bush and his cronies just conveniently USE the beliefs of the fundies to build a base of support that they can rely on.

Like I said, where normal citizens would be outraged at a nuclear event, the fundies have been conditioned to ACCEPT it as part of God's will. The fools will actiually buy that it is meant to be, not that it was political manipulation for MANmade goals.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 11:37 AM
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9. It sure looks like it
n/t
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 12:35 PM
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15. when I heard about his prayer meeting today
that thought crossed my mind. But all things considered, I don't really believe it.

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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 12:36 PM
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16. My husband thinks so too
And every single time it ends up going back to the CIA. Maybe that's why Tenet is being kept on, he's signed up for WWIII.
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TrogL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 05:50 PM
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21. This war has been a Crusade from the beginning
and just about as successful
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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 06:28 PM
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24. So is that the Ku Klux Klan eveningwear on that guy?
Black tie and electrodes?

I don't think this is intentional. It IS a religious war, though, even if that's not Junior's prime motivation. (I think his prime motivators are, in order: revenge for Daddy, lotsa oil, shoring up Israel, showing the world what tough guys we are, and THEN religion.)

There are plenty of skunks in league with this mob who ARE nutso on the religion issue, though, and Junior's perfectly happy to suck their support by helping their world-domination schemes. Whatever.

Basic premises: few large events have only ONE cause, few of them have only ONE faction spurring them on and MONEY and DOMINATION are usually the bigger influencers.

Man, we suck.
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welshTerrier2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 06:29 PM
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25. but but but ... splain me this ...
i have no particular disagreement with the idea that bush is seeking a holy war with Islam ... of course, the goal would be oil, money and power ... fulfilling prophecies is just grist for the morons to keep them in line ...

but i'm not so sure the prisoner abuse was the "delivery system" for this little bundle of joy you've envisioned ...

this scandal is not going to be good news for bush, politically speaking ... the theme, since the WMD lies were exposed in all their nakedness, has been that we are the good guys ... we are bringing American freedoms to these poor Saddamized peoples ...

and if we view this election as a battle for the moderate center, it's hard to see how the polarizing effects of such wrongful military conduct pulls the center into bush's camp ... in fact, I believe Americans will come to understand that the failure of leadership has put the U.S. and its citizens at much greater risk ...

so, my read on your post is that you've gone out searching for an implementation strategy to fit bush's holy war objectives ... i'm not sure you've put your finger on the right one yet ...
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 06:43 PM
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28. Because the "holy war" would start BEFORE the election
and make elections conveniently impossible.
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RBHam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 06:32 PM
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26. I'm with you.
This convenient disaster helps distract from the truth behind 9-11, and ramps up the stakes for Americans. Plus, it provides a plausible reason for the motivation angle behind the next false flag terror attack.

Y'know, when Bush will declare Martial law and Scalia, the Black Pope, crowns him Emperor.

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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 06:44 PM
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29. Thanks BLM, now I won't get any sleep tonight
Because I'll be worried about Armageddon.

:eyes:

BUt you have some great points! I still can't figure out why ANYONE will take part in torture no matter how many superior officers were telling them otherwise.
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Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 06:46 PM
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30. Let's not forget that these were 'suspects'...
...that were never allowed any kind of due process to prove their guilt OR innocence. How many innocent human beings were tortured, humiliated or killed?
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leftistagitator Donating Member (701 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 06:57 PM
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31. It would explain why the Right Wing cable news outlets
Are out there screaming as loud as they can to the arab world that there was nothing wrong with what we did. This is just insane, if they really believed any of the garbage about protecting human rights they would be condemning stuff like this. Instead we have Rush and Hannity out there talking about how this isn't torture and the only one who should get in trouble is the traitor who leaked the photos. It's like they're intentionally trying to provoke attacks against our troops.
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liarliartieonfire Donating Member (448 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 07:01 PM
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32. I just worry about what Bush is up to behind the public outrage of these
torture pics.
Whenever bush is onto the next phase of his mission to rule the world, the news is hit with an undescribable shock & awe of some kind. Usually amounts to alot of arm waving, but ya gotta know by now, that in the secret bush government, they've begun implementing another atrocity.

That is how they stay ahead of the publics outrage. That is how he continues to get away with his crimes.

While we're discussing the "outrage" bush is on to the next one.

What evil deed is he up to, now?
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 07:09 PM
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33. Pat Robertson was waving the antiIslam flag today on his show.
He said that Islam is taking over Europe now because they have lots of babies and Christians don't.

He also said Dodi Fayed was working to turn Princess Di into a Muslim, thereby leading the rest of Europe to turn away from Christianity. Utterly insane, yet people buy this brand of crap.

Yep....they want a holy war.
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SpaceCatMeetsMars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 07:21 PM
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36. Gee, he sounds just like Slobbo Milosevic
What a surprise.
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brokensymmetry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 07:17 PM
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34. Exactly.
Why else would there be such a volume of photographs? There is more to this, IMO, than a few misguided individuals going overboard. It's too well documented.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 07:21 PM
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35. My take is different and more "hopeful than yours." I go with Michael
Ruppert's thoughts that when an American President becomes "too dangerous for Global Business Interests" he get's "taken out, and replaced with something similar, but more palatable to the American Public."

Until I see something different...I will go with Ruppert's DARK SCENARIO!

As a "mainstream, but occasionally very "left leaning Democrat" I will say that the Bush Administrations "Crimes Against Humanity" have caused all factions and political persuasions across the spectrum to unite in wanting to "throw him out!" He is vile and ignorant. And, alot of America isn't ignorant like Bush or his supporters and we feel very pushed against and are wanting to "strike back."

There are plenty of folks in America who don't subscribe to "Chimp Speak" who may not be the "Bush Donors" or the "high rollers" that the campaigns try to focus on to give them their "Big Bucks" for the campaign...but WE are the folks who got out to vote. And no matter how much money THEY have...we have OUR VOTE!

And, that's exactly why those folks went after our Voting Machines to try to "control it ALL!" And this means some Dems in collusion with Repugs...but not ALL ...and not a Majority.

We are the "little folks" fighting for our turf. We are the ones who will vote. They need to listen to us. If they don't we will come back for decades.

I hope they wake up and see this. But neither the Media nor our TWO PARTIES will understand this right now. :shrug:
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 07:33 PM
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37. Wish I had the time BLM
because you're right on. He WANTS a Holy War as do the extreme Christian fanatics. As do the Jewish fanatics. As do the Muslim fanatics.

Messiah. Moschiah. Mahdi.

And all the evil ones serving evil (Bush, Sharon and the rest of their Illuminati friends) are exploiting the messianic expectations of the various religions to fuel their war. No one will ever convince me that Bush doesn't knowingly, willingly serve evil- evil in its purest form. Hitler served the same master and so did Napoleon.

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