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chesley Donating Member (197 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-09-03 10:18 AM
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I've been thinking lately
about an article that I saw a few weeks ago. I'm sorry i don't have a link. A group of libertarians were bandying abaouot a plan to have a mass immigration of like-minded folk to one state, maybe Idaho or Montana. They were going to vote in an extreme libertarian government as an experiment to show the world the superiority of their ideas in government. They were going to create a 'paradise' state.

Now, I wonder why progressives shouldn't try the same thing? They could pick a state, and have a mass immigration there, put in the most advanced progressive policies and create a competing paradise. What state should be chosen? What are the chances that either one of these experiments would work?

I going to apolitical protest now. I'll be back in the evening and see if there are any comments.
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RC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-09-03 10:26 AM
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1. Keep thinking.
Edited on Sat Aug-09-03 10:26 AM by RC
From time to time these utopian ideas are dredged up from the depths and sometimes even implemented. They never seem to pan out for long.
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Noon_Blue_Apples Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-09-03 12:20 PM
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2. Just watch out for the cool-aid

Thats not extra sugar.

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quinnox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-09-03 12:24 PM
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3. There are cults
organized around one charismatic leader that have formed communes, but in the political world, I don't know of any in recent history that had enough numbers to do what is described.
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Cheswick2.0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-09-03 12:32 PM
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4. we played this once
Edited on Sat Aug-09-03 12:33 PM by Cheswick
I think we could never agree on climate. My choice would be west virginia....small and easy to take over, with beautiful scenery and already somewhat populist. I don't think we talked about a utopia, just a very strong liberal government.

BTW, if the libertarians want to try out their ideas they should just to go Haiti. No tax structure, only private education etc etc...it's a freaking mess.
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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-09-03 12:37 PM
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5. Libertarians checking out N.H. - freestateproject.org
Edited on Sat Aug-09-03 12:44 PM by bpilgrim
http://freestateproject.org/NHforporcupines.htm

But then I had an idea. Jason and Debra went to the Grand Western Conference. Why not have me go to the New Hampshire Conference along with Elizabeth? Not only could I visit, but I could and would talk about what a great choice New Hampshire would be! Easy for me to do, too! Because I've been very public that I will move to *any* state that is chosen. I like them *all*! And not because they are "equal" in desirability, but because I cannot imagine a better place to live than the Free State. No matter *where* it turns out to be, it will be a place where people are left alone to pursue their own happiness.

What, I ask you, is so hard about that? There must be *something* hard about it...because it seems so...*radical*.

So that's what I'm doing here. I want to talk to you about just how *great* a choice New Hampshire would be for the Free State! And in saying that, I thank Rich Tomasso, Michele Dumas, and *all* your activists who have been so tireless in promoting New Hampshire. Remember, the *national* libertarian executive committee refused to endorse the Free State Project after a full presentation by Jason Sorens. You all, by contrast, have stepped right up to the plate, and I am both impressed and thankful for what you're doing.

So onward. The first thing I thought of when I discovered I was reeeeally going to talk about New Hampshire was to re-examine my own thoughts and prejudices. What I found was that my whole position was based upon giving overwhelming weight to population. Anyone who has read my North Dakota and Wyoming articles is aware of that.

http://freestateproject.org/NHforporcupines.htm

source...
http://freestateproject.org

as long as they play nice with liberal progressives i don't have any problem or at least adhear to the bill-of-rights.

gotta be pragmatic ;->

peace
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