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lonewolf0507 Donating Member (119 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 08:08 PM
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Bush Suffered A Past Seizure?
I could not find the link to this article, so I wrote it out.

If this news story is accurate, the American public is being betrayed (yet again) at the highest level. Americans have a RIGHT TO KNOW if thei CinC is even remotely incapacitated. This story, if correct raises multiple crucial and immediate issues and possibilities which need to be examined and considered. Such as...
1. Did the famous 'pretzel' dive and resulting bruise have anything to do with a seizure?
2. If Bush had one 'seizure' who is to say there won't be (weren't?) more?
3. Brain strokes are common in cocaine use...espically long-term abuse and smoking of crack. President's behavior falls well within the medical boundaries of cocaine stroke.

See: http://www.drugabuse.gov/NIDA_Notes/NNVol13N3/Cocaine.html

4. Mental impairment is also a hallmark of HIV infection and is measurable even from the earliest stages of infection. Usually referred to as 'AIDS Dementia' it commonly presents as forgetfulness and confusion. Rumors of Bush bisexuality and his alleged/whispered involvment with a longtime pal and mayor of a major Eastern city have been around for years.

This report states Bush is said to be taking 'oral medication at least twice a day according to {redacted} because of an unspecified indisposition. Such an indisposition might well be related to either of the items above. If this story is true- and quite clearly there is something wrong with President Bush's mental faculties - we have a national crisis at hand. Bush has steadfastly refused to open his medical records - a sure indicator there is some to hide.
Jeff Rense
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 08:10 PM
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1. One word
Reagan

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onecitizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 08:11 PM
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2. I was with you till the.......
HIV part. He could have a seizure disorder. Do you know the name of his medicine by any chance?
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lonewolf0507 Donating Member (119 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 08:15 PM
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3. "I was with you till the
The HIV part is just a guess on the medical condition. Some HIV patients suffer lots of seizures. Unfortunately, the name of the medicine he uses is not known.
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onecitizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 08:22 PM
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5. It would explain alot.........
wouldn't it? I don't know if you can have a seizure disorder and still be POTUS. Can you? Would you still be considered fit to serve? I mean I know people live and work with seizure disorder all the time. But can the POTUS?

It be great to find out what meds he takes.
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RamblingRose Donating Member (403 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 08:27 PM
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11. A couple of medicine choices could be
Edited on Tue May-04-04 08:54 PM by RamblingRose
xanax (Noel's source?), tranxene and phenobarb (which make you dopey).
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qwertyMike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 08:22 PM
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4. Sudden withdrawal from alcohol
can cause seizures.

Been there
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onecitizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 08:22 PM
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6. Stress can too.
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x-g.o.p.er Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 08:24 PM
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7. So can....
suddenly realizing one day you're in WAY over your head, and Cheney and Wolfowitz don't have answers for everything.
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doubles Donating Member (357 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 08:25 PM
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8. LOL... the pretzle dive...... interesting stuff though.... nt
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Vickers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 08:25 PM
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9. Maybe Condi is working him too hard after hours
Oh, get your minds out of the gutter, I was talking about boning up (no pun intended) on foreign policy!!!
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DAGDA56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 08:26 PM
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10. You ARE good...a quick scan of your post goes something like...
Bush...seizure...coke, even crack...HIV...Bush bisexuality...oral medication...refuses to open medical records...something to hide. No links, no direct quotes. That is worthy of Drudge!
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jokerman93 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 08:29 PM
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12. I want Bush out as much as anyone
But this thread is pure speculative nonsense. It's gossip.
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DAGDA56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 08:41 PM
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13. I agree with you jokerman...
...I guess I wasn't laying on the sarcasm heavy enough. I sometimes worry that stuff like this shows up on a thread and is quickly linked to from some red meat gallery in Freeperville.
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markomalley Donating Member (412 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 08:42 PM
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14. I did a Nexis search on this and found...
Edited on Tue May-04-04 08:43 PM by markomalley
...185 articles where the Shrub and "seizure" were mentioned in the same paragraph. Out of those, 184 were talking about seizure, like in "search and seizure." One of them mentioned something else: (sorry...I'm going to post the entire article here, because you won't be able to retrieve it otherwise unless you pay the Wash Post some $$)

Anyway...hope it helps out some.


The Washington Post

May 5, 2000, Friday, Final Edition

SECTION: STYLE; Pg. C01

LENGTH: 1371 words

HEADLINE: What's on W's Mind? Hard To Say.

BYLINE: Dana Milbank , Washington Post Staff Writer

BODY:
Inside the human brain, a part of the frontal lobe called Broca's area directs the production of clear and intelligible speech. In the case of Texas Gov. George W. Bush, however, something between Broca's area and the tongue has an occasional tendency to go comically wrong.

When Bush endeavors to say "tariffs and barriers," it can come out "terriers and bariffs." "Handcuffs" mysteriously becomes "cuff links," and "tactical nuclear weapons" morphs into "tacular weapons." Once, Bush's brain cruelly caused its owner to pronounce "missile launches" as "mential losses."

The insensitive louts of the press generally respond to these examples of Bushspeak by making fun of their author. A network producer on the Bush bus nicknamed him "The English Patient." Garry Trudeau and Maureen Dowd parody his gaffes. The online magazine Slate anthologizes the growing collection of "Bushisms." (This week's installment: "I hope we get to the bottom of the answer.")

Yuk, yuk. Very funny.

Surely we wouldn't make fun of a man suffering from diabetic attacks or epileptic seizures. And though Bush's affliction isn't so serious, there's the possibility that he can't control it. To examine this possibility, we asked the opinions of leading speech pathologists. They haven't examined the man, but they have a few ideas.

"It's a Verbal Goulash Syndrome," pronounces Sam Chwat, a New York speech therapist who has helped the likes of Julia Roberts and Robert De Niro say their lines. Lyn Goldberg, a George Washington University speech pathologist, pronounces the governor "motorically vulnerable." Ray Kent, a University of Wisconsin expert, says the governor suffers from "sequencing errors" and "lexical confusions."

Clearly. When Bush attended Perseverance Month at a New Hampshire school, he famously declared: "This is Preservation Month. I appreciate preservation. It's what you do when you run for president. You've got to preserve." Another time, he repeatedly insisted that "I denounce interracial dating." (He meant he denounced a policy against interracial dating.)

Part of the problem is not of his making: It's the fault of snobbish Easterners who just can't understand his West Texas dialect. Sure, he talks about "nucular" warheads, but so do many Southerners, including Jimmy Carter. So what if "obfuscate" rolls off Bush's lips as "obscufate" and "obsfucate"? They understand him just fine in Midland. Yet he continues "getting pillared in the press and cartoons," as he puts it, grasping for "pilloried."

Bush's aides say the malapropisms are the byproduct of an effervescent nature and an agile mind. Why the gobbledygook? "Because his brain faster works than his mouth does," jokes Mindy Tucker, the governor's spokeswoman.

It's true that Bush speaks far more freely than his Democratic rival, Al Gore, who gets panned for his slow and deliberate speaking style. Gore chooses his words carefully and corrects his own mistakes, but he orates like a somnambulist.

Some of Bush's errors could happen to any person under pressure and public scrutiny, particularly when their off-the-cuff remarks are transcribed for posterity. Surely it was an honest mistake when he chanted: "If you're sick and tired of the politics of cynicism and polls and principles, come and join this campaign." Obviously, he knows it's not correct that he said, "I understand small business growth--I was one," and "There is madmen in the world and there are terror," and "Rarely is the question asked: Is our children learning?"

Bush, however, unlike Ronald Reagan and the elder George Bush, doesn't get the benefit of the doubt after a linguistic lapse. Perhaps it's because of his history of related flubs: his juxtaposing Slovenia and Slovakia, and his East Timorians, Grecians and Kosovians.

Bush also has a rich tradition of verbal pratfalls. Bill Minutaglio, a Dallas Morning News reporter and Bush biographer, was the recipient of this Bush puzzler six years ago: "It was just inebriating what Midland was all about then." Presumably, Bush was reaching for "intoxicating."

Speech pathologist Chwat says the governor is probably modeling his speech after that of his famous father, consciously or unconsciously. It's simply the way he learned to talk, Chwat says.

Famous for coining phrases and words such as "hyporhetorical questions" and "hypothecate," Bush the elder constantly spouted Yogi Berraisms, once imploring: "Please don't look at part of the glass, the part that is only less than half full."

Indeed, some of the gaffes of Bush fils sound like his father's. The son launched this gem early in the campaign: "When I was coming up, it was a dangerous world and we knew exactly who the 'they' were. It was us versus them, and it was clear who 'them' was. Today, we're not so sure who the 'they' are, but we know they're there."

Tired cliches breathe new life on the governor's tongue. "We ought to make the pie higher," he opines, and suggests that one "can't take the high horse and claim the low road." Particularly if he is one of those Internet millionaires "who have become rich beyond their means." Better call the credit bureau.

"He has a singular output channel, and he's jamming it with too many words," Chwat says. Some other errors, he adds, are evidence of an "incomplete education" (despite Bush's two Ivy League degrees). Among the flubs Chwat puts in this category: When Bush says that "I don't have to accept their tenants," instead of tenets, and when he talks about education being about more than "bricks and mortars," using the term for heavy artillery instead of the construction mixture.

But is Bush's problem simply a matter of nurture? Other scientists are convinced that nature has some role. Robert Shprintzen, an otolaryngologist and speech pathologist at the State University of New York's Upstate Medical University, says Bush's speech pattern, like everybody's, is influenced by genetics.

Much of the way people talk is biological, Shprintzen says, dictated by the physical structure of the brain, the number of brain cells and the level of neurotransmitters such as dopamine. Obviously, George W. would inherit characteristics from his old man; "even children who have been separated from their parents at birth have been found to be astonishingly like their parents," Shprintzen says.

Still, Gov. Bush's speech errors are arguably worse than his old man's: President Bush switched words and contorted sentences, but his son occasionally produces outright gibberish. That leads GWU's Goldberg to make a worrisome observation: Goldberg says Bush shares some traits with those suffering from a serious speech disorder known as apraxia, which at its worst leaves its victims unable to utter anything meaningful.

The disorder, often caused by a stroke, disrupts the neural programming of speech-related muscles, causing trouble selecting, timing and ordering sounds, and a tendency to shorten words.

But Goldberg hastens to add that she isn't diagnosing Bush with the disorder and, in fact, doubts he is apraxic. The symptoms are likely coincidental, in the same way someone with a winter cough shares certain symptoms with a lung cancer patient. Still, Goldberg says, "it's striking when you see these sound problems and timing errors in his speech."

Among the worrisome signs: In Bush's speech, "viable" has come out "vile," "subsidization" has posed as "subsidation," "balkanize" has masqueraded as "vulcanize" and "ascribe" has seen its duties replaced by "subscribe." Sentences, too, get condensed, to bizarre effect. "I know how hard it is for you to put food on your family," he told one perplexed audience.

Whatever the cause, the English Patient should survive this malady. Of greater concern is what happens to the rest of us. "The problem is, it's catching," says Richard Wolffe, who has been following the governor for the Financial Times. "I can't even say 'tariffs' anymore. I say 'terriers.' "

Wolffe, who kept a log of Bush's verbal creations on his laptop computer, found his collection destroyed when the Bush campaign bus, suspiciously, ran over the laptop. Maybe that's what Bush meant by a mential loss.



LOAD-DATE: May 05, 2000
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DAGDA56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 09:18 PM
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15. Good job, Mark O...
...you've done your research and are able to cite time, source, author...all the things that seperate reporting from gossip.
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lumpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 09:28 PM
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16. These are common symptoms
exhibited by stroke victims, also senility. The strange grimacing, as well as the speech difficulties, that Bush displays certainly indicates there is something profoundly wrong with the man. There is no doubt in my mind that Bush is incompetent and is merely a figurehead. I wonder how much longer this charade can be kept quiet. Woodrow Wilson suffered strokes during his presidency. This fact was kept from the public for the most part. Others including his wife were in control of the presidency. Reagan certainly showed signs(forgetfullness, coaching, confusion) of Alzheimers long before his tenure was up.
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PCIntern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 09:54 PM
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17. Those of us who are clinicians
recognized Reagan's early Alzheimer's Disease.

Recall that he needed jelly beans in a glass jar. That was fro 'grounding' so he could keep a sense of reality about him. Things of course got worse as time went by. i recall that one of the old Goldwater folk during a conference on C-SPAN years ago called Reagna's first term, "when Reagan was alive".

I would agree with those who've postulated that * has had some 'big-time'issues with his health.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 10:00 PM
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18. Did Clinton ever open his medical records ?
Anyone recall ??
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diamond14 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 10:02 PM
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19. my guess is heavy duty drinking/drugging admitted through age 45

I just don't know anyone who did that hardcore partying for so many years, and still has an OK functioning brain....or that woke up one day and just quit instantly....that is all just a karen huge fundi-religious fairytale story....

bush has LIED and stolen the White House...I have little sympathy for the psychotic chimp...his drug/alcohol brain damage is self-induced and dangerous....I believe that he never stopped drinking/drugging, but simply LIED to gain sympathy and massage crazy fundalmentalist-christian-religiously-insane-incredibly-stupid-Americans....


what's amazing is that America continues to allow the chimp to lead OUR country off a cliff and destroy everything ....it's real insane...led by a drunk drug-addict who thinks he's god....


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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 10:03 PM
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20. That explains his press conference.
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Zero Gravitas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 10:07 PM
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21. Pretzel Incident
Edited on Tue May-04-04 10:17 PM by WorstPresidentEver
I find the pretzel incident to be rather strange. Can people really pass out from eating a pretzel, even if they are an incompetent buffoon like Bush?

He's shown up with bruises on his face more than once. Maybe he's drinking till he falls over. Maybe he's brain damaged from (past?) cocaine abuse. Maybe he is on some medication. Maybe hes just an imbecile asshole.
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lumpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 10:54 PM
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24. Falls and passing out are quite common
in people with strokes. Certainly fits in with his confused speech patterns, frequent pauses searching for the right word. For instance, a person asking for her dentures might refer to them as 'rocks' or a bra becomes an 'apron'. I have cared for stroke victims and have observed the symptoms. I must admit, I am of a (shall we say) certain age, well into my 70s. I hate to say this, but I sometimes have to search for the right word and the memory is'nt what it used to be. No fun at all and very frustrating, but my elderly friends complain of the same problems. George is much to young to be exhibiting senility. Might be his veins are plugged from eating all those pork products, his flushing might not be from sunburn, but high blood pressure; maybe the booze hasn't been kind to him, but having known quite a few boozers in my lifetime I'm inclined to think it's is something more ominous. Maybe he's just nuts. Who knows. All I know he isn't competent to be the president of the US.
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Zero Gravitas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 11:08 PM
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28. Interesting
My mother used to work with people who had strokes (as a speech therapist) maybe she'll have some insight into that possibility. My father (who voted for Bush in 2000) mentioned that hearing his latest "press conference" on the radio that, when just hearing his voice, he sounded merely dyslexic as opposed to brain damaged when you see him on TV! Needless to say he is not planning on making the same mistake (voting for the dumbass) twice.

As you say no matter what the cause of his mental defects he clearly is not competent to be President (let alone town dog-catcher).
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lumpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 10:08 PM
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22. I think he has had strokes.
Confused/disjointed speech patterns, unsteady body balance, facial contortions, forced self-confidence, indications of high blood pressure, flushing.
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elperromagico Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 10:27 PM
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23. I'm inclined to think it's a combination of dyslexia/substance abuse.
Edited on Tue May-04-04 10:28 PM by elperromagico
I think the dyslexia runs in the family, to a lesser degree in his father (who had some verbal gaffes during his Presidency that were quite similar to his son's current gaffes), and to a greater degree in his brother Neil, who is an admitted and diagnosed dyslexic.

Coupled with Dubya's use of drugs and alcohol, the damage to his speech could potentially be staggering. Bush himself says he quit when he was 40. We don't know when he started drinking, but assuming that he started somewhere between the age of 15 and 21, he could have been a drinker for anywhere from 19-25 years. If he was drinking heavily for the bulk of that time, the damage could be huge.

Just my two cents.
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SlavesandBulldozers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 10:56 PM
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25. im thinking
dyslexia, probably brain damage from rails/booze, and syphilus.
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mountainvue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 11:02 PM
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26. Could this be why he
was slurring his words on the news last night showing the coverage of his bus tour? He was slurring big time.
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Mattforclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 11:04 PM
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27. Unfortunately
that's not entirely implausible...
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UNIXcock Donating Member (464 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 11:11 PM
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29. It seems he is in one long, perpetual seizure
Sounds so pathetic when speaking
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 11:44 PM
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30. Can't find any original reference on this
It isn't on Snopes, though I've written them about it.
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linazelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-04 12:15 AM
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31. Where is Susan Powter when you need her? STOP THE MADNESS
Please!
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