you Torture Apologists make me puke. f-u

[meow mix]

im sick of it,
and you know im talking to you if you said something like.

"oh theyve done worse to Our Soldiers"
"oh i bet saddam tortured them much sorse"
"oh they are following orders of military intelligence"
"cmon its not that bad of torture"

ITS WRONG AND SICK. F-U F-U

TODAY, IM DONE WITH DU APOLOGISTS FOR THESE CRIMINALS. F-UUUUUUUUU YOUR SICK AS THE PIGS DOING THE CRAP.

and your attitude will ensure more people will die. stupid jerks.

thank you.

i know theres only about a dozen people who are doing this..
(and that 97 percent of du'ers are outraged as i am)

but it still pisses me off.

going to the beach i need some sanity. bye

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

1. count me in your 97%

Torture is torture. Period.

[scarlet_owl]

2. Right on, Meow.

I would like to think that DUers are above saying such things but I guess not. What was done to those people was degrading and disgusting and there is no excuse for it.

[meegbear]

3. Links?

I've only read posts expressing anger and contempt.

[DrWeird]

10. Here you go.

There's a couple right here.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x1520574

[meegbear]

19. Thanks, I'll take a look ...

and in regards to your sig line ...

"even roses smell like poo poo poo". - Andre (Ice Cold) 3000

[bobthedrummer]

15. I read a thread where the DUer that started it admitted to being "turned-

on" by the pictures, I've read one too many posts condoning the torture, I'm with meow mix on this 100%, I'm not into the pathological culture of death that has some adherents at DU.

Have a great day at the beach, meow mix!
:hi:

[Rowdyboy]

25. Yeah, but he and his "bestest buddy" both were tombstoned

by the end of the thread.

That kind of stupidity is rare around here and usually gets taken care of promptly by the admins.

[bowens43]

4. People on DU are doing this?

I'm shocked. Seriously , I'm shocked. The issue is not ambiguous. Torture is wrong and it's a war crime. Period.

[Walt Starr]

5. I think they should all stand trial in the Hague

Or let them stand trial in Iraqi courts.

[qb]

6. Right on, meow mix. I wonder where all of the torture apologists

in the media are now that the pictures are out there. Remember the big debate a while back about using torture to "save American lives"? I wonder how many American lives they've saved now that their evil deeds have been broadcast worldwide.

[Rebel_with_a_cause]

7. I went throught a bottle of aspirin over the weekend because of the photos

and accompanying stories. I feel a little better now, and am ready to put my reaction into letter form to my local paper.

[denverbill]

8. They were probably listening to Rush.

After all, Rush said it was like a fraternity hazing.

Then just remember what type of person normally listens to Rush and you will understand exactly where these folks are coming from.

[Skittles]

9. I WILL KICK THEIR ASS

who are these aplogists, are they trolls?

[DrWeird]

12. All the usual suspects.

Here's the most recent example.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x1520574

[Skittles]

21. I am so freaking tired of the fly-under-the-radar trolls

now they are spinning TORTURE. AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA.

[bryant69]

24. What you need to do

Is start your own message board, then you can get rid of all the bastiches who don't agree with you.

Of course this shouldn't be construed to suggest that I think Torture is a good idea or an acceptable one.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com

[VolcanoJen]

11. Count me in your 97% too, MeowMix.

These "Rotten Apple" liars have got to go. :mad: :grr: :mad:

[jrthin]

13. I share your sentiment. n/t

nt

[Jacobin]

14. Same folks who were pro-invasion, prolly

I remember them well.........they were all scared of an imminent attack by Saddam and his non-existent wmds.

Now they say the torture was nothing more than a fraternity hazing. Big Diff. Those who want to join a frat know they are in for humiliation and pain, so they can join in and become part of the cult. These Iraqis know they aren't going to join in any fun cult. They are being de-humanized for sport by sadistic pricks.

[mouse7]

16. Life sentences for those who cooperate. Hang the rest.

Just when I think I'm ready for start being against Capital Punishment, something beyond the pale happens which makes me ready to hang the guilty and leave bodies dangling from the gallows to feed the crows. Let them hang till their bones are picked clean as a reminder to all who follow never to do crimes against humanity like this ever again.

[noonwitch]

17. I'm also with the 97%

I figure the ones who are saying this kind of crap are the same people who whenever Bush is criticized for something, say "Well, Clinton lied about a blow job", like it's a defense for everything Bush has done and will do.

I am disgusted by what these soldiers have done. Between that and Bush deciding to totally take Israel's side on the palestineans, the muslim extremists will capitalize on this in their recruiting of future terrorists. I guess all he needs to do is get in front of a camera and say "Bring it on", oops, too late. Worst President ever.

[cosmicdot]

18. oh, swing by and I'll go to the beach with ya

it wouldn't surprise me if these apologists have similar views on just about every hot topic which has emerged at DU over the last 4 years

I keep asking the question: what kind of society have we become?

"What Do We Do Now" by Howard Zinn

It seems very hard for some people--especially those in high places, but also those striving for high places--to grasp a simple truth: The United States does not belong in Iraq. It is not our country. Our presence is causing death, suffering, destruction, and so large sections of the population are rising against us. Our military is then reacting with indiscriminate force, bombing and shooting and rounding up people simply on "suspicion."

Amnesty International, a year after the invasion, reported: "Scores of unarmed people have been killed due to excessive or unnecessary use of lethal force by coalition forces during public demonstrations, at checkpoints, and in house raids. Thousands of people have been detained , often under harsh conditions, and subjected to prolonged and often unacknowledged detention. Many have been tortured or ill-treated, and some have died in custody." ~snip~

http://www.progressive.org/june04/zinn0604.html

[Raster]

20. let's go over this ONE MORE TIME... torture is wrong. Period.

No matter who does it, torturing another human being is W-R-O-N-G! There is no way to justify that type of behaviour. And this type of behaviour coming from the self-professed "policeman to the world," is unthinkable.

[NNN0LHI]

22. Anyone who approves of torture is out of their fucking mind

End of fucking story.

Don

[not systems]

23. Torture is not just wrong it is a war crime.

If one of these victims was a solder or a civilian
the sadists should be charged with crimes against humanity.

I bet they all fit the bill.

Let them defend them selves by pointing to people
who ordered and sanctioned what they did.

I bet it runs right to Rumfeld and Wolfowitz.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

26. So, quit beating around the bush...what are you REALLY trying to say?....

:D

[Cerval]

27. I'm with you...

...as well. No one should make excuses for people who behave this way.

This kind of torture stains our national honor as well as being a personal insult to any thinking citizen.

[Westegg]

28. I can't even get through all these posts...

...because I'm still consummed by that image I saw of the hooded naked men in the human pyramid and their grinning captors. Posing for the camera.

That's the stuff of nightmares. That's a photo of dead souls walking.

This really isn't going to do much for our image in the Middle East, is it? (He said sarcastically).

This is horrific, whether it's seven rogue soldiers, or people following orders. WhatEVER. Have Americans been tortured by evil foreigners? Yes! Does that mean we should do the same in return? NO! It's pretty fucking simple.

If Kerry can't capitalize on this tragedy politically (he said coldly, rationally, but with his heart, he truly felt, in the right place), then there really IS little difference between Kerry and Bush.

[TahitiNut]

29. Well, hell ... let's string 'em up by the nuts, huh? They deserve it!

:eyes: Gee ... just what we need ... more of the same.

[seasat]

30. You know what also bothers me about this torture.

I imagine we haven't heard the complete story so I may be wrong on this but Thomas Hamill, the trucker who recently escaped his Iraqi captors, was apparently treated better than we're treating the POWs. Y'all, that is just sad that these particular Iraqi insurgents apparently treat their captives better than we treat Iraqi prisoners.