Bush in freefall! Forget CNN, ABC/WP, FOX; believe CBS

[TruthIsAll]

He's down to 46% in the latest poll just out tonight. That's down from 51% in March. His 11-poll average is dropping every month - even with the attempts of CNN and the usual suspects to inflate his numbers.

Remember: CBS is 60 Minutes. They are the only network which cares about democracy.

<http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/04/28/opinion/polls/main614605.sht... >

1-Nwk 2-Fox 3-CNN 4-Pew 5-Harris 6-CBS 7-ABC 8-Time 9-NBC 10-AP 11-Zogby Average

ymm 1 .2...3..4...5...6...7...8..9.10.11.AVG
102 52 55 57 53 na 53 55 52 na na 57 54.25
103 55 56 63 56 56 53 58 55 57 na 53 56.20
104 57 63 59 53 49 60 63 na 56 na 52 56.89
105 57 59 53 50 59 56 55 52 na na 52 54.78
106 na 59 55 51 50 57 na na 50 na 51 53.29
107 na 56 52 52 56 53 59 55 na na 47 53.75
108 na 55 51 50 52 50 55 na na na 50 51.86
109 86 81 87 80 na na 86 84 82 na 82 83.50
110 84 80 na 84 88 89 92 89 na na 78 85.50
111 85 84 87 84 86 87 89 87 88 na na 86.33
112 82 86 86 na 82 85 89 82 85 na 81 84.22
201 na 83 84 80 79 86 86 77 82 77 80 81.40
202 83 81 82 78 79 84 83 na na na 74 80.50
203 74 80 81 na 77 82 82 75 na 75 74 77.78
204 71 79 76 74 75 78 79 75 74 72 69 74.73
205 73 72 77 na 74 76 78 72 75 71 70 73.80
206 70 74 70 70 70 71 77 70 69 na 69 71.00
207 68 70 76 67 62 70 72 70 67 67 62 68.27
208 61 69 68 60 63 65 69 na na 65 na 65.00
209 70 66 66 63 68 66 69 65 64 65 na 66.20
210 61 65 67 na 64 66 67 61 63 63 63 64.00
211 60 68 63 61 65 63 67 64 na na na 63.88
212 na 65 64 61 64 61 66 55 na 64 64 62.67
301 56 63 63 58 na 65 59 53 62 64 na 60.33
302 61 57 61 54 52 59 64 62 54 58 63 58.64
303 53 60 57 55 na 56 62 54 61 57 62 57.70
304 71 71 70 67 70 68 71 62 62 51 54 65.18
305 65 65 69 65 na 67 71 63 71 64 61 66.10
306 61 66 64 60 61 67 68 na 62 na 58 63.00
307 55 60 62 58 na 66 59 55 na 60 53 58.67
308 53 59 60 56 57 60 59 na 56 58 52 57.00
309 52 58 52 55 na 55 56 52 na 52 45 53.00
310 51 52 55 50 59 52 54 na 49 51 49 52.20
311 52 52 54 50 na 54 56 52 51 52 48 52.10
312 54 52 63 57 50 60 59 54 58 59 53 56.27
401 50 58 60 56 na 50 58 54 54 56 49 54.50
402 48 48 51 48 51 50 50 54 na 47 na 49.67
403 48 48 49 46 na 51 50 na 50 48 46 48.44
404 49 49 52 43 na 49 51 49 na 48 47 48.56
405 na na na 48 na 46 na na na na na 47.00

[opihimoimoi]

1. Is It TOAST TIME???

I sure hope so.....

[TruthIsAll]

8. Opi, I didn't want to say it...come we go to Einstein's for Bagel & Lox

TIA

[Hekate]

17. I'll bring the guava jam and lilikoi...

...for that toast. And I may cry for sheer joy if it's true.

Hekate

[opihimoimoi]

22. I have a feeling

ITS TWUUUU ITS TWUUU

Come join tia and i at einsteins, we go dwink

[NYCGirl]

2. If CBS was so damned brave,

they wouldn't have chickened out of showing the made-for-TV film The Reagans.
;)

[DustMolecule]

4. Maybe they decided to 'choose their battles'

OR they learned something from that debacle. :shrug:

[rucky]

5. and shown the MoveOn ad at the Breast Bowl

[LoZoccolo]

10. Hahahaha

Or you could call it the Boober Bowl.

[TruthIsAll]

6. Good point. But CBS is all we have. Consider 60 Minutes.

They have had some great segments in the past year.
1- The Iraq mess
2- O'Neil interview
3- Clarke interview

And others that I forget. I bet they will interview Joe Wilson soon. His book is coming out, so maybe in the next show.

And they had better get a move on the real blockbuster - BBV.

[SoCalDem]

30. Man.. those numbers hurt my eyes.. Is there a link

that shows them in their original format??

or if you use [pre] and then the data and then [/pre], it will
not jam them all together :)

[emulatorloo]

19. entertainment division vs news division. . .

EOM

[nostamj]

21. don't confuse the ENTERTAINMENT division

with the NEWS division.

Rather has been kicking bush ass most every night.

[newyawker99]

31. Hi NYCGirl!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[welshTerrier2]

3. freefall but ...

it's important to remember there are two, or even three, horses in this race ...

americans have finally awakened to bush's failed policies ...

the "but" is a recognition that kerry is a long way from closing the deal ... if we're seeing a cleverly orchestrated rope-a-dope, then fine ... but if we're seeing a candidate who has not really justified his reasons for wanting to be Prez, then this is a very dangerous situation ...

i'm afraid it will take more than bush's collapse to blow his sorry ass back to texas ...

kerry needs to stop oink oinking around with these pigs ... he needs to stop slopping around in the mud about all this vietnam business ... the focus of this election is Iraq, terrorism, alliances, jobs, jobs, jobs and integrity ... kerry needs to stay on message on the big issues ...

[Nicholas_J]

7. I think

That we are now starting to see the effects of the 9/11 comission and Condi RIce, and Woodward and Clarks books finally tricling down and having effects in the polls. It has seemded to me that duringthis election cycle it is taking at least a month before any major negative revelations percolate through the entire polling demographic and then result in either a rise or drop in the polls depending on the nature of the revelations. I noticed this happening during the pre-primary and finally the primary season where something would be revealed about Dean, and it would sem that he was teflon, as the revelations seemed to have no immediate effect, but then 3 or 4 weeks later, Dean started taking large hits in the polls, while Kerry, who was having his record in Vietnam praised at the same time seemed to be dropping in the polls in December, only to have his numbers start to rise about a month later when nothing in particular was going on in the media.

[SeveneightyWhoa]

9. CBS.

"CBS is 60 Minutes. They are the only network which cares about democracy."

AIN'T THAT THE ABSOLUTE TRUTH!

[TheFarseer]

11. this is frustrating

One week Kerry's up, then the next week Bush is up, and now polls are all over the place. I have no way of knowing what's true. How can anyone know that CBS is right and CNN is wrong? I'm not going to believe one poll over another just because I like the results better.

[TruthIsAll]

12. Here is how you know: CNN consistently inflates Bush poll

numbers while constantly whoring for him and bashing Kerry. Don't you think these are related?

And how the hell did Bush pick up a net 13 points on Kerry this past month on CNN? When everything went wrong for Bush?

CNN/Gallup/USA Today is propping him up. Along with WP/ABC and IBD.

Look at the 3 year trend in the numbers. Bush poll numbers have fallen in EVERY month since 9/11 except for two: Mar 2003 (Iraq Invasion) and Dec 2003 (get Saddam).

Why would they go up last month on CNN as they did? Simple. They will not let him sink too far below 50%. That's a corporate decision. It's not a fair poll.

[DustMolecule]

13. When will people start believing in themselves....

believeing in their own 'gut feeling' and not what other people (supposedly) believe? Why do you trust 'other (nameless/faceless) 'people' rather than your own self?

Don't trust believe these 'polls'....it's all false. Believe in YOURSELF!

[Th1onein]

14. I love CBS. It is the only news channel I can stand to watch anymore.

And yes, Bush is in free fall.

He is SO gone.

[TruthIsAll]

29. CBS 60 Minutes has been out there virtually alone...

along with Bill Moyers on PBS.

The other networks will jump in when the Plame story breaks out.

[Cleita]

15. More than toast,. Charcoal maybe.

I saw that earlier and since I have come to distrust the polls because I think they are skewed, I usually shave 10% off of them. When they can't take every advantage and have to show the poll below what they would like it to be, it tells me Boosh is charcoal. :-)

[DeepModem Mom]

16. TIA, you are info-man!

[kaitykaity]

18. Very useful information. Sent to my favorite

conservocreep kool aid drinker. Don't know
how he'll dismiss the raw data, but I'm sure
it will be creative.

:thumbsup:

[kaitykaity]

24. Here's my wingnut's response. Classic.

We are at war! The main reason for us to be at war is because of the clintoon's and criminal anti-American's like Gorelick. You will see more and more stuff coming out about this low life, but my God, have you not seen enough about her to even cause you to scream for her removal?! Alas, it is you on the far left that have befallen to the spin doctor's. Don't forget that just in California alone, you are "Four Times" more likely to be murdered than to be killed in combat in both Afghanistan and Iraq! Now that is something you should put in perspective! For example if you want to look at trends, the murder and violent crime rate started to shoot through the roof during LBJ's rein...wonder why?!

Also don't forget that currently the vast majority of voter's are tied to the stock market...the economy is growing at the highest since the Reagan Administration, ergo, even with your loser socialist's doing their best to adversely impact it they have failed, and that is what Kerry will do, but within a month or two, that will even be obvious to all dimwit's, well maybe not all, like those morons who cannot figure out how to punch out a ballot...idiots!

[muriel_volestrangler]

20. Cool! We already know two May poll results

even though it's only April 29th! Can I borrow your time machine, TruthIsAll - there's a horse I want to put a bet on ...

[TruthIsAll]

26. Good catch. But it is nearly May and April was already filled up.

If another poll comes out on May 15, I will replace these numbers with it.

TIA

[dsc]

23. I have no earthly idea

which poll is right. I can't just choose to belive who I like.

[TruthIsAll]

25. The history of the Bush monthly polls...lot's of info here.

TIA

[Name removed]

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[West Coast Democrat]

28. And this ought to make Karl Rove toss and turn......

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x519621

Bremer criticized Bush on terrorism before attacks

Thursday, April 29, 2004 Posted: 8:35 PM EDT (0035 GMT)

WASHINGTON (AP) -- L. Paul Bremer, the U.S. administrator in Iraq, said in a speech six months before the September 11, 2001 attacks that the Bush administration was "paying no attention" to terrorism.

"What they will do is stagger along until there's a major incident and then suddenly say, 'Oh my God, shouldn't we be organized to deal with this,"' said Bremer at McCormick Tribune Foundation conference on terrorism on February 26, 2001.

Bremer spoke at the conference shortly after he chaired the National Commission on Terrorism, a bipartisan body formed by the Clinton administration to examine U.S. counterterrorism policies.

The remarks drew attention on the same day Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney appeared before the September 11 commission to explain the precautions they took to prevent a terrorist attack after taking office in January 2001.

more....
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/04/29/bremer.bush.ap /