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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 10:11 PM
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Mohamed Atta loved pork chops, and 49 other things you may not know
about the 9/11 Florida connection.

I just finished Daniel Hopsicker's Welcome to Terrorland. He exposes the cover story of the Florida flight schools, and the ongoing cover-up. The whole thing stinks of Iran/Contra and CIA drugs. It's the same, bloody game.

Though his style can be annoyingly breezy, I highly recommend the book. There's original research you won't find anywhere else but here and on his website: http://www.madcowprod.com /.

Here are some archived threads that touch on similar material:

"Jeb Bush seized flight school records at 2 AM on September 12"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

"Heroin, Al Qaeda and the Florida Flight School"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

And FYI, here are some notes I kept while reading the book:

1. In Venice Florida, Mohamed Atta lived for two months with an American stripper/lingerie model named Amanda Keller.

2. Atta loved to party. He was out with Keller nearly every night they were together. He was a heavy drinker, snorted coke, was a stylish dresser and wore expensive jewelry.

3. According to Keller, Atta loved pork chops.

4. Keller dumped him after he embarrassed her at a night club by dancing, poorly, atop a speaker ("doing that old 'Roxbury head bob' thing, you know"?)

5. Atta revenged himself later on Keller by returning to the apartment theyd shared and killing her cat and kittens, disemboweling and dismembering them in her apartment for her to find.

6. In Miami, Atta consorted with women known to be linked to the Mafia.

7. Attas email list included names of people who worked for defense contractors. One, for instance, worked for Canadian firm Virtual Prototypes, which helped develop the avionics for F-15, F-22 and B-2.

8. Atta was enrolled as a student at the International Officers School of Maxwell Airforce Base, and witnesses recall him having been introduced around at an officers' club party.

9. Atta was fluent in at least Arabic, English, German, French and Hebrew.

10. One day when Atta was rummaging through his flight bag, Keller got a look inside. Her words:

"The thing the FBI was most interested in was his pilot bag. They asked about it a lot. He kept it locked, and they wanted to know whether I had ever seen anything in it. I told them yes. One day he opened it briefly, and there were a lot of papers in it, and there was a blue log book in a different language. Mohamed was fluent in almost any language you can think of. He had a kind of Daytimer in there, too. And a folder with all these different IDs in it. And thats when I saw one because it fell out a little blue and white thing the size of a drivers license. It had his picture on it, and it looked like a mug shot, or a prison shot. And it didnt look like him, and I asked him, 'Who is this?'

"And he said, 'thats me.' He told me it had been taken back when he was in some kind of militia-type deal, like a military-type deal, he said. He compared it to our military only they teach you different tactics. He didnt elaborate.

"He didnt say where it was from, either. But the writing looked like a cross between Hebrew and Arabic, those frilly little lines. He told me he spoke Hebrew. I said bullshit. So he started speaking it, and I guess he did.

"He told me that he went to different countries and studied. He had pilots license from several different countries. But all the pictures looked different. All the names were different. He had a license to fly from just about every country he had been to. He went to pilots school in all these countries."

11. Atta, Keller, a stripper named Linda and two Germans, Peter and Johan, partied for three days in Key West. Atta paid for everything. Rented three rooms, one just for the mens luggage, which Keller says contained drugs. The men had a business meeting the women were not permitted to attend. Met with people, Keller says, who flew in just to meet Atta. Somber and quiet after meeting. (Key West Airport a known drug transit point. The Sheriff used to be under orders to keep the dope sniffing dogs off airplanes, and at one time even sent patrol cars to escort the drugs to Miami.)

12. Atta was already a licensed pilot when he arrived in the US. Licenses from many different countries. He had the privileges of an instructor while he was at Huffman Aviation, and may have helped pilot South American drug runs.

13. The FBI timeline says Atta left Venice Florida in December 2000 after completing his flight training. But he didnt. Dozens of locals say different his landlord, neighbours, cab drivers, restaurant employees and his girlfriend, for a few instances and have been told not to talk about it by federal authorities. The FBI publicly sought information regarding Attas time in various US locations, but not Venice Florida, where he spent most of his time in the US. Why the intentional misdirection? What are they trying to keep hidden?

14. Under pressure from the FBI, and despite numerous witnesses who had known them together, Keller publicly retracted her story of having lived with Atta, saying hed been another hijacker named Mohammed, no last name, who seems to have only existed to get Atta out of this story that didnt fit the official version.

15. Six nights before the attack, at a bar called Shuckums in Ft Lauderdale, Atta and two companions got drunk. The FBI showed up at the bar just 12 hours after the attack with pictures of two of them, one Atta, saying only they were on the plane and passed away. Manager Tony Amos and bartender Patricia Idrissi identified both. Manager Amos said theyd gotten "wasted," Atta drank Stoli vodka for three straight hours. Atta blasphemed: "F*ck God!" hes said to have cursed.

16. The witnesses then retracted the story of Atta being drunk. They now said hed only drank cranberry juice the entire evening. Both Amos and Idrissi have gone, no one knows where, but the current bartender says she believes their leaving was somehow 9/11 related.

17. Fourteen of the 9/11 hijackers made Florida their base of operation, and clustered around two flight schools. What is it about Florida, and these flight schools, that drew them?

18. Atta and Marwan Al-Shehhi paid $28,000 each to Rudi Dekkers Huffman Aviation for flight instruction that, the chief instructor of a neighbouring school said, was available at dozens of other nearby locations for a fraction of the price. Why did they pay an inflated price to Dekkers?

19. Dekkers and his financier, Wally Hilliard, purchased the flight school just months before Atta and the other hijackers began arriving. Before their purchase, the flight school catered to largely American students. After, student body became 80% foreign, mostly Middle Eastern. Yeslam bin Laden, Osamas brother, sent students there for his business.

20. Atta also "trained" for a time at Arne Kruithof's Florida Flight Training Center, a block away from Huffman Aviation. Amanda Keller says it is where he would go to replenish his cocaine stash.

21. Though Dutchmen Dekkers and Kruithof claimed they had not known each other before each coincidently purchased flight training schools in Venice shortly before terrorists began arriving for training, witnesses claim the two had known each other well for years before.

22. Wally Hilliard is a supposedly-retired, born again insurance executive from the Midwest (motto for his insurance company had been "Hate Sin, Fight Communism, Back the Pack!"), who upon arriving in Florida entered into aviation businesses with an assortment of criminal and covert intelligence elements.

23. Dekkers and Hilliard had not been in the flight school business before they made the purchase. They paid an inflated price for the school, and did no due diligence before the purchase. They lost millions, but this was apparently not a problem. Charlie Voss, former employee of Dekkers and an Iran/Contra pilot whod also flown "Northern Alliance guys" in Afghanistan in the 1980s, and who had given Atta and Marwan Al-Shehhi a place to stay for a few weeks when they first arrived in Venice Florida: "Rudis greedy, and when youre greedy you can be used for something.... When something doesnt make obvious business sense, sometimes its because things are being done for another reason that doesnt have a lot to do with dollars and cents. His business did not add up."

24. Dekkers went from broke to flush very quickly, without having business success with the flight school. One observer said He didnt even have the money to buy gas for an airplane and yet a year later he shows up and plops a million seven, a million eight or two million dollars on the table as if it were paper money.

25. The deputy in charge of Venice Fl airport security: "Wally and Rudi never talk inside a building, they go out to an airplane and talk inside the plane."

26. Dekkers claimed he had very little interaction with Atta, and that he never saw him again after December 2000. But numerous witnesses in Venice claim Dekkers and Atta were close, and were seen at a restaurant together just two weeks before the attack.

27. Hilliard denied knowing Atta. Keller recalled, on a visit to the airport, having Hilliard ask her, "Whats a nice girl like you doing with a guy like Mohamed?"

28. Before the attack, Dekkers was having trouble paying rent on flight school. It was so bad, it was a story in the Venice paper when he paid rent. One month before attack, he stopped having trouble. Since attack, every aviation concern at Venice airport has been late at least once with their monthly rent, except for Dekkers.

29. Both the DEA and US Customs had been interested in Dekkers as far back as 1993. He was suspected of smuggling drugs and computer chips.

30. Less than three weeks after Atta and Marwan Al-Shehi began flying lessons at Huffman Aviation, a Lear jet owned by its financier, Wally Hilliard, carrying 43 pounds of heroin was seized by the DEA. Authorities called it the biggest seizure of heroin ever in central Florida.

31. The passengers, Venezuelan nationals, were arrested, but the pilot wasnt charged, said a DEA spokesman, "because of lack of evidence." This, despite the fact the pilot, Diego Levine-Texar, ignored agents demands that he drop his cell phone, which had to be pried from his hand at gunpoint. Affidavit of the DEA agent: "Based on my experience I know that narcotics traffickers maintain frequent contact with one another while transporting narcotics I believe Levine-Texar attempted to contact other accomplices as to the presence of agents and other law enforcement officials." Information about Levine-Texar is considered "sensitive."

32. But the DEA refused to return the plane to Hilliard. It was auctioned off. DEA said they had "reasons." Unusual for a so-called "innocent man" to be denied the return of his possession, or compensation.

33. After Hilliard lost his plane to the DEA auction, he was loaned a plane worth $2 million for just one dollar by Truman Arnold, former chief fundraiser for the Democratic Party, who figured in the Whitewater investigation.

34. John Villada, an aviation executive in Naples Florida: "After Wallys plane was impounded with the heroin and his pilots had machine guns stuck in their faces, the DEA came to visit our maintenance facility and Wally shouted out to me right in front of the DEA guy 'Make sure all the heroin and cocaine gets hidden!'" Hilliard's mock warning seemed to show the DEA how little he thought of them, and how well he was protected.

35. The paperwork showed the same plane had made approximately 30 weekly round trips to Venezuela with the same passengers, and they always paid cash. They obviously werent even bothering to hide what they were doing, said one observer.

36. Hilliard had got his Lear jet from World Jet Inc, owned by drug smuggling brothers Don and Bill Whittington, who had supplied the plane to CIA drug smuggler Barry Seal.

37. The Sarasota County Drug interdiction people were told that Dekkers and Hilliard had a green light to operation and that they were to stay away from them, that they... may have had some type of government protection. And the local Venice Police Department were also warned to leave them alone.

38. A former Huffman executive, speaking about the hijackers: "Early on I gleaned that these guys had government protection. They were let into this country for a specific purpose. It was a business deal."

39. The FBI visited the home of this executive just four hours after the attacks. The purpose has been not to investigate, but to intimidate him into silence. The man says his phones were bugged, and thinks pilots were "double agents." He quit the flight school fearing for his life, and claims he knows too much about Wally Hillier, saying he "has a family to think about."

40. Jeb accompanied the FBI when they removed the flight school records on the early morning of September 12, and flew them to Washington.

41. Jeb Bush and Katherine Harris have flown and endorsed Hilliards air carrier.

42. In the days following 9/11, a number of Saudis fled the country from Florida after the attacks. They flew on Wally Hilliers charter aircraft to private fields of military contractor Raytheon, and departed on a 747.

43. After the attacks, a virtually non-existent company that operated out of Venice Airport under Huffmans license called Britannia Aviation was awarded a five-year, multi-million dollar contract to run the maintenance facility at Lychburg Virginia Regional Airport. (FYI, Lynchburg is the home of Jerry Falwells Liberty Baptist University.) Britannia did not have an FAA license to work on planes and showed assets of only $750. It was chosen over Virginia Aviation, which showed a multi-million dollar balance and boasted more than 40 employees.

44. Britannia executive Peter Martens boasted that his company had been providing maintenance at Venice Airport for "Caribe Air," which is a notorious CIA proprietary carrier.

45. A source at the Drug Enforcement Agency says that Britannia has a "green light" from the DEA, and that local police had been warned to leave Britannia alone.

46. Martens also has ties to Falwell, having met his wife at his university in Lynchburg.

47. Many of the Venice flight trainers moonlight by flying "missionary flights" to Central and South America, for such organizations as Pat Robertsons Operation Hope. (Are mission groups being used as fronts for covert ops?)

48. Most of Atta's closest associates in Venice were not Arabs, but Europeans with connection to the drug trade.

49. Though flight school owners Dekkers and Kruithof had before crashed, within weeks of each other in 2002, both had near fatal crashes. Wreckage was destroyed before it could be examined.

50. According to his girlfriend, Atta was a big Beastie Boys fan.
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gemlake Donating Member (535 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 10:18 PM
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1. Interesting reading
I wonder if the 9/11 Commission will investigate the Florida flight schools.
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 10:31 PM
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3. Not a chance. Officially, there's nothing to see here.
That's because you do a little digging, you find covert ops. And that's not what the commission is mandated to find.

Interesting thing about Ben-Veniste. He represented both Barry Seal, the CIA's most notorious drug runner (said to have been murdered on order of VP GHW Bush, because Seal knew too much about the Bush boys dirty secrets), and Whitewater's Truman Arnold. Flight school financier Wally Hilliard can be connected to both Seal and Arnold.
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bobbieinok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 10:21 AM
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11. what did Ben-Veniste do in Watergate? I remember him from then
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 10:30 AM
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12. He was chief of the Watergate Task Force in the
Special Prosecutor's Office.
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number6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 10:21 PM
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2. can you say black ops, yea I knew you could
for all we know Atta was shot in the head and
dumbed in a ditch some where ...

who knows who was really on those planes ...
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7th_Sephiroth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 10:31 PM
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4. 17. Fourteen of the 9/11 hijackers made Florida their base of operation, a
17. Fourteen of the 9/11 hijackers made Florida their base of operation, and clustered around two flight schools. What is it about Florida, and these flight schools, that drew them? Jeb Bush's personal hands protecting them from harm
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 10:37 PM
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5. Jeb's PNAC. Jeb's CIA and Florida Mob. Jeb's drugs. Jeb's got a lot
of shit going for the bad guys.
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 10:53 PM
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6. What, not on CNN or FUX up News? How reliable can it be? LOL
There's original research you won't find anywhere else but here and on his website: http://www.madcowprod.com /.

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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 10:58 PM
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7. Hopsicker frequently voices surprise that
it's left to him to track down and interview Atta's girlfriend. You'd think Diane Sawyer and Barbara Walters would have tripped over each other to talk to her. But by intimidating witnesses the FBI declared the Florida angle a no-go zone, so major media decided there was nothing to see.
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 11:35 PM
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8. That's the goldarned liberal media for yah.
Thank goodness for people like Hopsicker and Ruppert who don't take orders that easily and aren't afraid to lay out the evidence for the rest of us.
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 12:25 PM
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16. Or Rita COSBY - She LOVES Bad Boys/Girls
It's her niche to collect bad-boy interviews. She was pen pals with the O.K.City Bomber, with MILOSEVIC, with BERKOWITZ. You KNOW she's dying to interview Scott PETERSON.
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 10:07 AM
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9. kick n/t
kick
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 10:19 AM
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10. Funny how the hijackers clustered around a handful of flight schools,
Edited on Mon Apr-19-04 10:21 AM by Minstrel Boy
and the schools never called authorities, yet the authorities knew immediately where the hijackers had trained. (See above: a Huffman executive was intimidated four hours after the attack by FBI agents, and flight school records were seized before the next morning.)

But when Zacharias Moussaoui approached a flight school outside of the terrorists' normal circuit, the flight school called the FBI the next day, and head office did all it could to derail the investigation.
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 11:39 AM
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15. No doubt they'll expect us to believe it's because of "the wall."
Sad thing is they're so many out there who'll believe it too.
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Jose Diablo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 10:54 AM
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13. Doesn't seem to fit the radical Islamic mold
then what intelligence agency did Atta belong????

I wonder, is it possible, naw, they are our allies.
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 10:58 AM
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14. Yeah. Not really the "fanatical Islamo-fascist" of the official story.
More like a well-protected, drug-running spook, with wealthy patrons in Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and the United States.

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kimchi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 01:26 PM
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17. Thanks for sharing your notes.
Verrrrrrrrrrrrry interesting.
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 05:04 PM
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18. kick for uncommon knowledge n/t
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 05:20 PM
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19. Jeez. When do we start dropping bombs on FL?
Kabul is going to be pissed if they read this.

Maybe they have the WsMD in FL too.
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RBHam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 05:33 PM
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20. Truth kick
:kick:
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ursacorwin Donating Member (528 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 05:45 PM
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21. even if only half of this is true,
it's really scary. everyone who is firmly in the MIHOP camp (where i've lived for several years now) really, really needs to go read a copy of the n. mailer book, "harlot's ghost."

it's basically a book about W's life, the one we NEVER hear about. sure, it's written about a fictional family, but it's got a 100+ biblio list and a really compelling narrative. even though it takes place during the 50s-80s, you'll recognize all the players and get a look into what kinds of people they really are...

spooks & drug dealers (often one and the same) are this world's true masters.
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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-04 05:00 PM
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25. Kicking for the Mailer's "Harlot'sGhost" mention. n/t
Edited on Tue Apr-20-04 05:01 PM by beam_me_up
edit spelling
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 05:45 PM
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22. Nice job, Minstrel...appreciate you sharing your notes...
...I talked to Hopsicker once by phone...he is definitely a very high energy guy!
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 07:48 PM
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23. I've found Minstrel Boy's note usually very edifying. n/t
n/t
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JackieO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-04 07:12 AM
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24. thanks Minstrel Boy
I don't imagine that the 9/11 commission would be very interested in pursuing any of this information.

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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-04 01:38 AM
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26. kick
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-04 01:57 AM
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27. Minstrel Boy you may have these but I thought I'd post them
Edited on Wed Apr-21-04 02:08 AM by seemslikeadream


These two documents show the flight history of Mohamed Atta and Marwan Al-Shehhi from 6 July until 8 August 2000. They provide information on the planes that were flown and the cost incurred.



Mohamed Atta

Marwan Al-Shehhi




I'm sure you've seen this but it is very interesting


News that Mohamed Atta had been on the payroll of the elite international program surfaced in a curious way just a month after the 9/11 attack: a brief seven-line report by German newspaper Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung on Oct. 18, 2001, under the headline ATTA WAS TUTOR FOR SCHOLARSHIP HOLDERS.

The story quoted spokesmen for Carl Duisberg Gesellschaft, described as a German international further education organisation, as having admitted paying Hamburg cadre principal Atta as a scholarship holder and tutor, between 1995 and 1997.

But what makes the story curious is that the German paper concealed the shocking implications of their story-that Mohamed Atta had been on the payroll of a joint U.S.-German government program-through the simple expedient of neglecting to mention that the Carl Duisberg Gesellschaft was merely a private entity set up to administer the "exchange" initiative of the two governments.

The U.S. end of the program is run out of an address at United Nations Plaza in New York by CDS International. The letters stand for Carl Duisberg Society, also the name of its German counterpart in Cologne, the Carl Duisberg Gesellschaft. Both are named for Carl Duisberg, a German chemist and industrialist who headed the Bayer Corporation during the 1920s.


http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0305/S00092.htm
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-04 07:19 AM
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29. You know, it's weird:
Edited on Wed Apr-21-04 07:24 AM by Minstrel Boy
Atta "trained" at Huffman three different times, as well as at two or three other flight schools, and yet he already had a pilot's license before entering the country, and was given instructor's privileges at Huffman. It doesn't make sense, unless he was doing something other than train, that needed a cover, and that required flying.

Did you see the recent headline, "Islamic terrorists linked to Italy Mafia group" (http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L19622509.htm )? (Thread about it here in LBN: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... ). Organized crime in a drugs for guns trade with Islamic terrorists sounds like a familiar story, and is only missing a covert intelligence component to close the circle. And that seems to be the story of Atta in Florida.

Thanks for posting those documents, seemslikeadream; I hadn't seen them.
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Piperay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-04 06:02 AM
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28. WOW, with all that kind of stuff
like drug usage and animal cruelty it's a damn shame he wasn't charged with something long before 9-11, everything might have been different. :-(
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-04 11:18 AM
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30. Everything might have been different.
For one thing, there would have been no new "Pearl Harbor" type event.
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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-04 11:49 AM
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31. Covert operatives often get away with murder
sometimes mass murder.

Who are their handlers? Who pays them? Who benefits by what they do?
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