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pinkpops Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 10:31 AM
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Is anyone really falling for this "turn over power"
crap?
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unblock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 10:33 AM
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1. they ARE going to turn over power
to puppets.

frankly, the bushists don't give a crap about the iraqi people or government, just so long as the oilfields are secure.
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doni_georgia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 10:35 AM
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2. It will all be a show!
I think most people realized that when Bush announced at his "press conference" that our troops will be staying after the "transfer of power." He made it clear that he believed these people were incapable of self-rule when he bashed the capability of their soldiers and police. It will be a puppet-regime for show. Our troops will have to stay, because the Iraqi people will KNOW it is a farce and will rise up against this fake government.
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Caution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 10:35 AM
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3. One thing is for sure...
The average Iraqi isnt going to believe that his people are in charge of the country when there are still 135,000 American soldiers (I'm so f'n sick of the word "troops") patrolling the streets and arresting "suspected insurgents" in the middle of the night. The whoel thing is a complete farce. Add that to the fact that most of the new Iraqi security forces are Kurds, that the government will be run by Chalabi and the "elections" are still at least a year away and I don't see how anybody with a clue can somehow believe that Paul Bremer going home to a fat pension and a nice little job with Halliburton somehow adds up to Iraqi sovereignty is beyond me.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 10:39 AM
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5. whatever it will be done without integrity
and it wont work. they have been consistant for three years. cannot do something you are not. i cannot predict what will happen and what they will do, i know it wont be in honor or honesty and wont work
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mike1963 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 10:39 AM
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4. "Meet the new boss..."
:eyes:
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Guava Jelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 10:44 AM
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6. I have a prediction
Bush will Have a large ceremony with a mission Accomplishedesq tone The Pundents will all be wearing Knee pads Praising the new government.
Different Clerics will get pissed because their voice wont be the dominant Voice All these sons relatives of the Isurgents wink wink that we liberated from life will get pissed and More Violence and Americans will die.A new death toll will arise..__ died since Bush declared Democracy Accomplished..
By then Bush will have cut the troops in Iraq and more will become vulnerable as Iraqis find more effective ways of killing Americans.
I gotta tell ya there is alot of truth in this prediction
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r_u_stuck2 Donating Member (232 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 10:48 AM
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7. Only those that worship B*
Just more fluff like the "mission accomplished". Sorry, very cynical about the government right now. I do not believe anything they say.
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mike1963 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 10:57 AM
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8. Heh, welcome to DU, r_u, as they say, nothing wrong with a little
paranoia when they really are out to get ya...
;-)
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 02:40 PM
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15. Hi r-u-stuck2!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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Nlighten1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 11:18 AM
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9. Status of Forces Agreement...
We can't negotiate the SOFA until there is a government there...until we do that the US will be seen as an occupying power. After the agreement is set we will be considered "friendly" and we can establish bases there.
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truth2power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 11:32 AM
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11. Beat me to it, Nlighten
I was looking for some info on the SOFA.

http://www.sltrib.com/2004/Mar/03262004/nation_w/151343...


"After months of concern about the legal status of the 110,000 U.S. troops who are expected to remain here after the occupation formally ends on June 30, the officials say they believe an existing U.N. resolution approving the presence of a multinational force in Iraq, approved by the Security Council in October, gives U.S. commanders the authority needed to maintain control after sovereignty is handed back to Iraq.
Showing his confidence that the approach was grounded in international law, Paul Bremer, the chief of the occupation authority, issued an executive order this week specifying that the newly formed Iraqi armed forces be placed under the operational control of U.S. commander Lt. Gen. Ricardo Sanchez, who has been named to lead U.S. and allied forces after the transfer of political authority to the Iraqis."

The "handover" will be a farce. Chalabi and his thugs will still be in control, and the US will control the oil.
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truth2power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 11:53 AM
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14. Iraq will never be sovereign
Here's a paper (long) by Chalmers Johnson, author of "The Sorrows of Empire", detailing the effect of our SOFA on Okinawa. A taste of what the Iraqis have to look forward to.

http://www.jpri.org/publications/workingpapers/wp97.htm...

"JPRI Working Paper No. 97, January 2004
Three Rapes: The Status of Forces Agreement and Okinawa
by Chalmers Johnson"

"Americas 703 officially acknowledged foreign military enclaves (as of September 30, 2002), although structurally, legally, and conceptually different from colonies, are themselves something like microcolonies in that they are completely beyond the jurisdiction of the occupied nation.1 The United States virtually always negotiates a status of forces agreement (SOFA) with the ostensibly independent host nation, including countries whose legal systems are every bit (and perhaps more) sophisticated than our own."

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IggleDoer Donating Member (601 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 11:22 AM
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10. Oh, the irony!
Iraq will be "free" at the end of June, so we need 20,000 more troops to "preserve" their freedom.
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LizW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 11:48 AM
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12. Katty Kay just said, on Matthews' show
(in response to his "Tell me something I don't know" question) that the U.S. is building the biggest embassy in the world in Baghdad and that it will be staffed by over 3000 people. I didn't quite catch what else she said, but something about it being compared by some to the Roman Empire.

Colin Powell was right, we broke it, now we own it. Which was the PNAC plan all along.
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OneTwentyoNine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 11:51 AM
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13. All BS IMO,Banana Republic at best.....nt
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