CSPAN - Dem. Presidential Debate...thread #2 ...on now

[cthrumatrix]

[cthrumatrix]

1. Isn't it funny....when they campaign...we here the "truth" of everything

where is all this rhetoric when it's occuring?

[THUNDER HANDS]

2. Graham

is gonna be a great VP for somebody.

[THUNDER HANDS]

3. Dean

speaks well...but he does the same thing Bush does - grabs the podium like he's holding up a ladder.

[Vadem]

5. Dean: we need pension reform in this country and we need to

make the unions strong enough to enforce it!

[cthrumatrix]

4. dean on social security.....

believes taxing appropriateley would cure soc. security.

Going off on Walmart. They are all talking about the corruption of corporations and pension reform.

More focused on establishing unions

[cthrumatrix]

6. Kucinich ....drinking "Red Bull".....I knew there was a reason

[THUNDER HANDS]

7. Kucinich

is attacking Dean again

God, he's like a rabid poodle.

[Wonder]

132. Hah

I missed this comment the first time...LOL

[sfecap]

8. DK is wound up...

...is it working?

[Vadem]

10. I think so! He is considered the "peace candidate" and he is

showing that he has "fire" on all issues!

[sfecap]

18. He's not very peaceful tonight!

:-)

He is definately charged up...the attack poodle stuff is a bit much, tho.

DK is good.

[realFedUp]

19. No

He just acts like a chihuahau on speed.

I respect his positions and his challenges but
he's borders on comedy at times.

And it's DR. Dean.

[Kahuna]

63. Priceless...

<<chihuahau on speed>> I'm in tears.

[caledesi]

111. Dennis, drink a valium smoothie. LOL!

[Terwilliger]

31. His last one was better

the other scenes were overemotional without great substance

[Kahuna]

58. Nnnnnnnnn No! He's scaring everybody on the stage..

They're all looking at him like he's on crack. :scared:

[caledesi]

109. No, sorry he trying too hard. Stop screaming Dennis; you don't have to.

Dennis sounds strong enough speaking normally despite his height. I think he feels as if he has to scream to sound emotional, but I have seen speeches by him in a normal tone and that were quite compelling.

[sfecap]

9. Kerry...good points re exec compensation...

n/t

[arcane1]

14. "tired of being trickled on by George Bush!"

I love it!

[cthrumatrix]

11. this is lining up as a "class warfare" election....I can see it now....

Shrub has "trickeled on everyone" (Kerry)....LOL

[realFedUp]

22. Good line but

we know this stuff...give us the solutions and we'll give
you a vote if we like them.

[Township75]

12. Anyone got AOL instant messanger?

Maybe we could start a chat there?

[THUNDER HANDS]

13. Kerry

is putting on a damn fine show....OH SHIT

HE JUST SAID:

"That's trickle down economics and the American people are tired of getting trickled on."

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[Vadem]

15. Yeaaaah! Funny from Kerry! eom

[cthrumatrix]

16. States and education: Graham blames Govt. passing laws and not

helping the states. You would think they would address this..when they pass a bill.

Graham sharing his plan...sounds like a large plan...doing all and balancing the budget...hard to get specific

[loyalsister]

128. Sounds a lot like Dean

In a lot of areas, they seem to be the most similar.

[GBD4]

131. Governors

For more on that "large plan" visit the website www.grahamforpresident.com and you can download the entire plan

As the other post says, there are similarities with Dean and Graham, and those similarities stem from the fact that they're both former Governors, they are more aware of unfunded mandates and matching funds and federal assistance

[cthrumatrix]

17. Why did they pass these laws that hurt the states....where the heck is the

thought process. Everything they point out seems like common sense.(perhaps harder to do)

[ShaneGR]

20. Kucinich on education, my prediction:

My prediction:

"Howard Dean will close down all of the schools in America! Answer my question Dean! I'm the right candidate! Answer my question! This is the time for truth! I'm the one who save America! Howard Dean is a loser!"

Moderator: "Uhhhh, Governor Dean already went. So, Senator Edwards, what is your plan for......"

[THUNDER HANDS]

21. poor lieberman

he has to follow Sharpton. That's like a band following Jimmy Hendrix

[ShaneGR]

26. LOL!!!! BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

By god, he just got the boo bird by the unions! Ok, what does he have left????

[caledesi]

112. ROTFLMAO! Love Big Al....

Memo to Joe: Your 15 minutes is up.

[poskonig]

23. Lieberman got booed on vouchers!

Sweet! :kick:

[Vadem]

24. Booing Lieberman re school vouchers. eom

[sfecap]

25. Lieberman just got booed!!

School vouchers.

Go home, Joe.

[THUNDER HANDS]

27. yeah

what a dick...like that would play in front of a union crowd.

[arcane1]

29. I wasn't hallucinating!

I'll give him kudos for not wanting to take $ from the public schools, but otherwise it's all Bush Lite!

BOOOOOOOO indeed!

(though I'll vote for him if he gets the nom (as if))

[caledesi]

103. Go home Joe, just go home.

[Room101]

28. I knew they were going to BOOOOO Holy Joe!

YES!

[cthrumatrix]

30. Everyone is going to be Union Friendly ....or else (in Chicago)

Everything sounds good....I think we all realize that corporations might have a different thought here..this could get messy.

[Vadem]

32. Carol Mosely Braun: Workers rights to organize are not compromised

by the right wing agenda.

[caledesi]

113. Carol is smart and very very smooth...too bad she doesn't have a chance.

Too much baggage.

[THUNDER HANDS]

33. Dean just smacked down Kucinich

and Dennis had the BIGGEST puss on his face.

it was priceless!

[sfecap]

35. Yes he did...and he smiled when he did it...

:-)

[Cheswick2.0]

110. yes, but did Dean lie?

It seems to me that I remember him saying he thought american should retire at 68 or 70. Is this a false memory?

[Kahuna]

127. Yes. Dean LIIIIIIIIIIIED! He just gave the other dems...

ammo to take him down.

[Township75]

42. That shot of Kuci was hilarious...

reminded me of the Bitter Beer Face commercials

[Kahuna]

73. But.. he shouldn't have smacked down Dennis because...

Dennis told the truth. In fact...Dean just lied!

[caledesi]

105. I saw him pout.

[cthrumatrix]

34. Quote of the night (Dean): "im going to reverse EVERYTHING" Bush has

done....(lol)

[chimpymustgo]

36. Edwards is rocking the house!

He will go all the way! He knows the deal for regular people. He is the anti-Bush.

[synthia]

53. he is doing well isn't he /t

[juajen]

69. I have to agree

From what I've seen so far, Edwards is really pulling out. Will be interesting to see this horse run.

[caledesi]

106. Yeah, Edwards was very good tonight. Wonder what he will do?

[THUNDER HANDS]

37. can't someone

just throw a tennis ball and have Kucinich chase it off the stage?

[ShaneGR]

40. LOL

HAHAHAHAHAHA... at least he didn't attack anyone on that question.

[Kahuna]

77. Now, stop that!

;-)

[chomskyite2]

41. no...quote o-t night..."im gunna set up a workers white house"

freepers are gunna love that...

[Vadem]

38. Kucinich: My White House will support the workers right to

organize; I will make sure that the Department of Labor will come straight from the workers.

[ShaneGR]

43. Well, I will say this much about Kucinich

He would make a great Secretary of Labor.

[Rooktoven]

129. Kucinich for Labor-- nice.

By the way-- I think asking candidates whom they'd like to see for positions is legit. It gives the public an idea of how you'd govern. Clark for defense?

[juajen]

39. Just tuned in a while back

The best answer I've heard so far is from Edwards. I'm shocked! Of course, I've only been listening for about 15 minutes. Suppertime, ya know. I support Kucinich. He's being a bit too aggressive on this particular forum, I think. I sure like his new haircut. He looks cute.

[ezgoingrl]

44. Pinnochio President

LOL

[realFedUp]

49. Graham finally getting a hit

didn't think he would in front of this crowd.

[juajen]

I agree

Graham is doing well, or he has been since I've been watching. I'm enjoying watching Edwards and Graham being "all they can be". We are blessed with some very good candidates.

[THUNDER HANDS]

45. Graham

"we have a pinocchio president!"

WOW

[THUNDER HANDS]

50. Edwards

breaking out the mill story.....


wake me up when it's over.

[jenk]

54. that's his bread and butter

it's what separates him from everybody else, sure we've heard it a million times but 90% of american hasn't

[sfecap]

46. Graham: "A Pinnochio President"

Gee, now that is one I've never heard in a campaign!

Good for Bob!

[Kahuna]

51. ROTF! I almost fell off my chair!

:bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

[Rooktoven]

130. his dad?

I remember helping a traveling DLC guy by wearing one of the Pinocchio noses he handed out for George Bush's (the elder) appearance at the NC state fair in 1992.

[cthrumatrix]

47. Graham --- closing statement -- firing on Bush & Iraq..... OMG he called

shrub "pinnochio".....LOL

He is going off on Bush as opposed to why him. But i like what he said

[Vadem]

48. Graham: George Bush has lost the trust of the American people...

We have a Pinnochio President; President's nose keeps growing: are we really surprised? Are we really surprised that the President who traded Sammy Sosa...?

[cthrumatrix]

52. Edwards...very nice closing....framing the issues...how he will change

things.....good show

[cthrumatrix]

57. Dean....closing...he repeats his mantra on why he would be the best

and talking about being "un-like bush" and a grass roots effort.

[chimpymustgo]

74. Edwards really shone.

too bad there are so many candidates, not enough time.

[ShaneGR]

55. OK, this sucks... too many candidates, not enough time!

Giving them 1 or 2 minutes to close is NOT enough. While I like a lot of what almost all of them are saying, I hope some of these people drop out and narrow down the field to around 5.

[caledesi]

115. Agree...we need more time to hear our candidates.

BTW, any ONE of them would emulsify * in a debate. Pick any one of them.

[realFedUp]

56. Dean closing

zippppppppppp.

Be proud to be Democrats....and Greens...and Indies...
add those in Doc.

[Vadem]

59. Dean: the real question tonight is who can beat George Bush...

You can't beat Bush by trying to be like him: we need to stand up for ourselves and take on the President directly. We've got the numbers and the person who has the most votes is going to win the White House!

[tsipple]

62. Love it!

Dean's pumped up... And now Lieberman is a snooze-fest... :-(

[realFedUp]

81. Reverend Al wants to conserve!

He got a good hand for that.

[caledesi]

116. Big Al has such quick wit and intelligent too. God I liked hearing all

them except for Howdy Doody Lieberman.

I am a Dean supporter, but all these guys (except for JL) could kill * in a debate.

[GreenArrow]

82. the team who scores the most points will win the game

rah rah

[THUNDER HANDS]

60. Lieberman

isnt' even getting applause when he pauses for it.

Oy

[tsipple]

66. Does anyone understand Lieberman?

I don't understand what he's saying. I'm confused.

[caledesi]

117. It's over Joe. Go home.

[sfecap]

61. Uh Huh...The Doctor is in.

Good wrap up.

Go Howard!

[prolesunited]

71. You could tell

that he knew he nailed it with that grin at the end.

[caledesi]

118. Yes, when I saw that grin I felt the same way!

HD KNEW he nailed it good!

[prolesunited]

64. With the exception of one or two

I'm very impressed with this field of candidates. There's a lot of good choices in my opinion.

[Catherine Vincent]

67. Edwards

What a cutie pie!

[caledesi]

119. I used to like Edwards a lot, but after that war vote etc....

and then seeing and hearing Dean, well Dean is the man.

[Khephra]

65. Lieberman

Lieberman can't get them riled up over the 2000 election, and that happened right after Dean used it to great applause!

That was the end of Lieberman's campaign. Right there. That second. I can actually point to it on replay. I'm serious. Lieberman just lost the race.

[THUNDER HANDS]

68. yup

you're right Khep, I saw the same thing.

[cthrumatrix]

72. he just doesn't seem to have the charisma...

[sfecap]

75. I agree. It's embarassing.

Go home, Joe.

[ShaneGR]

76. He was actually done the second he went on Wolf Blitzer

And started spouting off on Dean. It shows desperation, and from someone who was supposed to be a front-runner... that's a deathblow.

[Wonder]

90. ditto

[caledesi]

120. khep - excellent observation. I think you are right!

[Vadem]

70. Lieberman spouting the Repuke line eom

[tsipple]

78. Sharpton!

Al's quite dapper tonight, isn't he?

[ezgoingrl]

80. Yes he is,

and he's the conservative as well.

[Paulie]

83. He's awesome tonight

WOW. :D

[Wonder]

89. yes he is quite dapper --- good speaker.

braun has a believability... she seems the least susceptible to slick.

[caledesi]

121. Big Al is always dapper. I love listening to this man.

He has such great wit.

[cthrumatrix]

79. Sharpton - closing - class warfare, wrong direction, and people based

politics....he sounds good... very passionate.

[sfecap]

84. Kerry's voice is trashed.

Man, this stuff is tough on candidates. Gotta give 'em credit...it's a very tough road.

[Wonder]

85. I do like a lyrical orator... Sharpton is the best orator on the podium

of course words are meaningless all by themselves.

[tsipple]

86. Kerry speaks very parenthetically, doesn't he?

Lots of interrupting clauses... "When I was doing X, and, by the way, beaches have sand, and sand is grainy... Doing X is critical to our country's future."

Interesting style.

[Catherine Vincent]

98. As far as Sharpton is concerned,

he does well because of his preachy background.

[cthrumatrix]

87. Kerry - "shrub" was a passenger on that jet...I think we will here this

tomorrow.

[poskonig]

101. That was friggin cool. nt

:kick:

[Township75]

88. CAST YOUR VOTE FOR WHO HAD THE BEST SHOWING TONIGHT NOW

My vote goes to Gephardt - although he is not my first choice, he had a pro labor record to talk about the entire night.

also looking good was Sharpton, Edwards (kinda), Dean and Kuci...though I thought Kuci turned off a lot of people including me

Poor showing by Liebermann and Graham.

No opinion on Bruan and Kerry

[Wonder]

104. sharpton took it on oration power to the people labor working class

liking Gephardt too... very pragmatic presentation prob the most likely over braun or sharpton.

Braun... she seemed the least rehearsed and therefore came across to me as the sincerest... came in on healthcare

I have to now do some research on their voting records before I can say...


Lieberman, graham, dean, lost me

Kerry no opinion.

is that everyone?

anyway most of this is based on presentation rather than any of the issues. Now i do some digging. and figure of my choices who I believe would have the best chance of taking the WH...

[Wonder]

91. the crowd seems to like kooch

[Wonder]

96. whoops bad bit of synchroncity there kooch struck out by lightening...

[cthrumatrix]

92. ooops....Bush just scrambled the signal....too much truth

[tsipple]

93. Technical Difficulties!?!?!

Kucinich got cut off!

[THUNDER HANDS]

94. Kucinich got cut off

poor Dennis...


I guess god doesnt' want him to be president.

:)

[twilight]

107. lightning and what DK said!

Dennis Kucinich was the last to speak and his final words were, "It says in the Bible that he who is last shall be first." Then the lightning hit!

Woahhhh Dennis Kucinich ... are you a messenger or WHAT!!!!! O8)

:dem:

[Vadem]

95. Big electrical storm! I missed the closing statements. Please post

what you heard!

[Wonder]

99. between his kinetic performance and that lightening kooch was zapped

[Room101]

100. Everyone lost the feed because of the storm

.

[twilight]

108. that was the closing statement from DK

"It says in the Bible that he who is last shall go first"!!


:)

:dem:

[Room101]

97. WTF Sharpten called Joe a Centrist ?

To what HELL and a DLC Whore?

[cthrumatrix]

102. I thought it was a great debate.

Really good to see them tear down the "facade" of Shrub. As far as who won...tough to tell with soo many speeches and so little time.

Kucinich - may have lost with his "hyperness"
Kerry/Dean - no mistakes ... made sense ..easy to like
Graham - no home runs unfortunately
Sharpton - most passionate member..surprised me
CMB - she said some good things...glad to see her


It will be interesting to see how the press will coverage this.

[phegger]

114. good debate

Edwards and Kerry--helped themselves, I think.
Howard was Howard--excellent job.
Sharpton--great to listen to, hit the nail on the head each time.
Mosely-Braun--didn't hurt herself anyway, a bit lightweight
Joe--'nuff said
Kucinich--damn, too shrill, I watched w/my mom and she couldn't understand what he said because he was talking so fast.
Graham--earnest, sincere, almost as boring as Lieberman.

[Wonder]

122. okay what is with the bi-polarity we have two threads on the debate

what a microcosmic place this is...

[revcarol]

123. Fantastic closing statement by Kucinich.

Just got it 25 minutes late. Got a big hand for mentioning PRIVATIZATION of gov't jobs.

[Merlin]

124. Didn't see it, but I'm glad to hear Lieberman screwed himself.

The more I think about his remark comparing Dean to McGovern, the more he really, really pisses me off. I will be delighted the day he is forced to drop out of this race. If he thinks he has a snowball's chance, he's nuts.

[Rooktoven]

125. This is so Difficult---

Here are my takes on my four favorites strengths:

Edwards-- The most persuasive speaker and most "likable".

Dean-- Beautiful Bluntness. Displays the most canny aggression.

Kerry-- The genuine military package. His service gives him an authority no one else has on matters of war.

Graham-- The most varied resume, the best attention to detail.

Part of me wants to support a candidate who's style echoes my own, part of me wants to ensure getting the most electable TEAM in place.

[mbee]

126. Carol Mosley Braun mentioned the fact that she doesn't understand

why health insurance is tied to employers. I agree with that 100% and have felt that for years. Even though I don't support her for the presidential spot I think she could work in the Democratic administration on the health care plan. Also, did anyone catch what Dean said about a Walmart employee who was actually at the debate tonight being fired. I didn't quite grasp what the person was fired for, but think it was something to do with a union. I say many thanks to Dean for mentioning this.