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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-04 09:18 PM
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Were these warnings specific enough, Condi?
The Taliban warned:
"Weeks before the terrorist attacks on 11 September, the United States and the United Nations ignored warnings from a secret Taliban emissary that Osama bin Laden was planning a huge attack on American soil."
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/politics/story.jsp?...

The Germans warned:
"According to an article in one of the major daily newspapers in Germany, published just after the destruction of the World Trade Center, the German intelligence service BND told both US and Israeli intelligence agencies in June that Middle East terrorists were 'planning to hijack commercial aircraft to use as weapons to attack important symbols of American and Israeli culture.'

"The newspaper cited unnamed German intelligence sources, who said that the information came through Echelon, the US-controlled system of 120 satellites which monitors all worldwide electronic communications. Echelon is operated jointly by the United States, Canada, Britain, Australia and New Zealand, although its existence is not officially admitted."
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2002/jan2002/sept-j16.shtm...

The Egyptians warned:
"Egyptian intelligence warned American officials about a week before Sept. 11 that Osama bin Laden's network was in the advance stages of executing a significant operation against an American target, President Hosni Mubarak said in an interview on Sunday."
http://www.nytimes.com/2002/06/04/national/04WARN.html

The Russians warned:
According to Russian press reports, Russian intelligence notified the CIA during the summer that 25 terrorist pilots had been specifically training for suicide missions. In an interview September 15 with MSNBC, Russian President Vladimir Putin confirmed that he had ordered Russian intelligence in August to warn the US government "in the strongest possible terms" of imminent attacks on airports and government buildings.
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2002/jan2002/sept-j16.shtm...

The French warned:
"A key point in unraveling why the FBI failed to follow up leads on Al Qaeda terrorism now centers on the Bureau's contemptuously brushing aside warnings from French intelligence a few days before 9-11."
http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0222/ridgeway2.php

The British warned:
"Britain gave President Bush a categorical warning to expect multiple airline hijackings by the al-Qaeda network a month before the September 11 attacks which killed nearly 3000 people and triggered the international war against terrorism."
http://www.sundayherald.com/24822

The Israelis warned:
The London Telegraph: "Israeli intelligence officials say that they warned their counterparts in the United States last month that large-scale terrorist attacks on highly visible targets on the American mainland were imminent."
http://tinyurl.com/28rrh

The Moroccans warned:
"A Moroccan secret agent, Hassan Dabou, had penetrated al Qaeda for two years, breaking cover the summer of 2001 to warn of 'spectacular' attacks in New York in the summer or autumn of 2001. Secret service chiefs are said to have taken seriously the tip from one of its veteran informants and immediately passed on the details to Washington."
Times of London, June 12, 2002

Arab intelligence agencies warned:
"When the hubbub about what the White House did or didn't know before Sept. 11 dies down, Congressional or other investigators should consider the specific warnings that friendly Arab intelligence services sent to Washington in the summer of 2001."
http://www.iht.com/articles/58269.html

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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-04 09:31 PM
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1. Condi needed a warning like this
Edited on Thu Apr-08-04 09:39 PM by xultar
Condi,
Hello I'm OBL, but you can call me Binny. I'm the guy that Berger warned you about. Listen, Condi, I'm a terrorist. I am going to attack your country on September 11, 2001 @ 8am est or so using airplanes and we (not me some guys who I already sent to the US) going to fly them into the WTC (World Trade Center) and the Pentagon. The third target we are unsure of at the moment but it will for sure be either the White House or the Capital.

Now, you know the guys who are going to fly the planes already. As a matter of fact the FBI has them investigation. The investigations are detailed in the other memo I sent back in July. The memo called, "OBL is Determined to Attack inside the US." (pretty catchy ahe?) AnyHooo, Condi, take care! Love what you've done with National Security.
Love
Binny,

P.S. I sent an notice for a "Meet Up!" to you, Cheney, Rummy, Dummy (your pResident), Powell, and Clarke. Check your email this afternoon. We're gonna discuss Terrorism and the ways you can stop me. I'll bring the sandwiches.

Peace Out...No Really No Peace it is OUT.
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buycitgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-04 09:34 PM
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2. hawp hawp hawp!
bookmarking this one, both for the great links, AND the great (and hilario 'letter')

when is the dam gonna break?

how on earth can they withstand this influx of TRUTH?

course those links represent not the newest info, so that means the media are doing their job keeping stuff like that hidden

meaning, of course, they're still alive and kicking the hell out of the constitution
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-04 09:39 PM
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6. "course those links represent not the newest info, so that means...
the media are doing their job keeping stuff like that hidden."

Yeah, ain't that a kick in the head?

It would be nice to be shocked at the dereliction of the media, and also of the Commission, but unfortunately I expected both.

Jeesh, the questions Rice should have been asked!
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HawkerHurricane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-04 09:41 PM
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8. PPS
Oh, I almost forgot, we haven't decided exact airlines and flight numbers yet, I'll forward them as soon as they tell me.
TTFN, Binny.
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-04 09:41 PM
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10. BUHWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! N/T
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mike1963 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-04 09:43 PM
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12. Dear Binny,
This president PREshiates the note, and I do too, but we really need to know the flight numbers, okay? Oh, also we seem to have lost the Swiss bank account numbers you sent earlier...could you please email those one more time? I promise I'll write them down on a napkin or something.
Love, Condi
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-04 10:01 PM
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17. ROTFLMAO!!!!! n/t
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-04 09:48 PM
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14. Funny! n/t
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Sparky McGruff Donating Member (321 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-04 10:25 PM
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19. That's not "actionable intelligence"...
You didn't include the names of all 19 hijackers, nor the flight numbers. This information would have been completely useless without that!
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-04 10:01 PM
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29. Why would she need a warning??? When she probably...
supplied the info to obl.
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moondust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-04 09:34 PM
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3. The PDB in context.
By itself the PDB may or may not be a "historical" survey as Condi says. But in context it should have easily triggered principals meetings and battle stations.

WTC_1 --> African embassy bombings --> USS Cole --> Clinton warns them that al Qaeda #1 threat --> summer 2001 "hair on fire" global activity saying "very, very, very big event" --> August 6 PDB titled "Bin Laden Determined to Strike in U.S."

The big dots alone read like a movie script reaching the climax. So what do they do? Go fishing.
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laruemtt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-04 09:36 PM
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4. that's hysterical xultar!
really funny! seems like she has to be told what and when and how to do everything. kind of like chimpie her boss. where's the donald when you really need him?
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-04 09:40 PM
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7. Donald is getting his horns sharpened. Can't be Satan with dull horns..
Edited on Thu Apr-08-04 09:40 PM by xultar
:evilgrin:
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laruemtt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-04 09:42 PM
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11. man, it's good to be able
to laugh after a day like this. maybe there won't be nightmares tonite - o wait, what if satan sharpens those horns............
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-04 09:59 PM
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15. He keeps his horns in a blue velved box with the Pentagon logo on them n/t
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stewert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-04 09:37 PM
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5. And..........

1995. Project Bojinka: plans were uncovered by Philippine authorities,
to crash hijacked plane into CIA headquarters.

1996-2001. The FBI investigating suspected terrorists enrolled in U.S. flight schools.

May 18, 1998. FBI memo observed that an unusually large number of Middle Eastern men were
attending flight schools.

Oct. 24-26, 2000 - Pentagon officials carry out a "detailed" emergency drill based upon the crashing
of a hijacked airliner into the Pentagon.

Early 2001. Court proceedings revealed that al Qaeda operatives were training in American flight
schools.

January 2001 - The Bush Administration orders the FBI and intelligence agencies to "back off"
investigations involving the bin Laden family, including two of Osama bin Laden's relatives
(Abdullah and Omar) who were living in Falls Church, Va. -- right next to CIA headquarters. This
followed previous orders dating back to 1996 that frustrated efforts to investigate the bin Laden
family.

Summer, 2001. Jordons General Intelligence Division (GID) warned Washington of an attack
planned on the U.S. mainland using aircraft.

June 6, 2001. German intelligence warned both the CIA and Israel that Middle Eastern terrorists
were planning to hijack commercial aircraft to use as weapons to attack important symbols of
American and Israeli culture.

July 26 2001. The threat assessment. CBS News reported that Attorney General John Ashcroft
was no longer using commercial airliners to travel - even for personal business - because of a
threat assessment issued by the FBI.

July 2001 - The G8 summit at Genoa, Italy is surrounded by anti-aircraft guns, and local airspace is
closed off after Italian and Egyptian officials (including President Hosni Mubarak) warn American
intelligence that airliners stuffed with explosives might be used to attack President Bush.

July 10 2001. FBI agent Kenneth Williams in Arizona sends a memo warning that men with
suspected ties to terrorist groups were training in Arizona flight schools, mentioning Osama bin
Laden by name and speculating that his organization may be attempting to infiltrate the U.S.
aviation industry with pilots, security guards, and maintenance workers.

August 6 2001. Memo. President George Bush receives an intelligence briefing, titled Bin Laden
determined to strike in the U.S. that warned that "bin Laden may attempt to " hijack airplanes."

August 2001. FBI warned by a flight instructor in Oklahoma that an Arab student he was training,
(Zacarias Moussaoui) could be a terrorist. The FBI responded to the lead only after receiving
repeated calls from the instructor. He was arrested, but not intensely investigated until after
9-11, at which point it was discovered that he would have taken part in the 9-11 hijackings had
he not been arrested.

Personal notes written by a Minneapolis agent had speculated that perhaps Moussaoui was
planning to fly something into the World Trade Center.

August/September 2001 - According to a detailed 13-page memo written by Minneapolis FBI legal
officer Colleen Rowley, FBI headquarters ignores urgent, direct warnings from French intelligence
services about pending attacks. In addition, a single Supervisory Special Agent (SSA) in Washington
expends extra effort to thwart the field office's investigation of Zacarias Moussaoui, in one case
rewriting Rowley's affidavit for a search warrant to search Moussaoui's laptop. Rowley's memo uses
terms like "deliberately sabotage," "block," "integrity," "omitted," "downplayed," "glossed over,"
"mis-characterize," "improper political reasons, "deliberately thwarting," "deliberately further
undercut," "suppressed," and "not completely honest."

September 1, 2001. Russian President Vladimir Putin orders Russian intelligence to warn the U.S.
government in the strongest possible terms of imminent attacks on airports and government
buildings.

sources:

http://www.cooperativeresearch.org /
http://www.unansweredquestions.org/timeline/AAadvancein...
http://www.unansweredquestions.org/timeline/AAexactday....
http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/02_11_02_lucy...



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Corgigal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-04 09:41 PM
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9. "historical" survey
funny that term used in law enforcement is called criminal histories and usually you find that the bad guy has a history of doing bad things. Who guessed? However to Condi, people who commit crimes just have historical events but of course it's NOT a M.O.
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grytpype Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-04 09:46 PM
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13. Can this be right?
This is unbelievable.
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worldgonekrazy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-04 09:59 PM
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16. Yup
They did receive some very specific warnings. I think the Commission is pressuring to have the August 6th PDB declassified, and then when the Bush Administration tries to use the argument that it was only "general" and not "specific" warnings, they will come forward with some of the warnings from foreign governments.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-04 10:03 PM
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18. Today Condi set up Dipwad.
She said FBI told Bush everything. Freeh knew what Frasca knew. So Bush ... knew ... and did nothing.

Here's how Rockefeller put it today:

"President Bush received the now-famous P.D.B. on Aug. 6, while he was on vacation in Texas, yet he did not return to Washington until Aug. 30," said Senator John D. Rockefeller III of West Virginia, the ranking Democrat on the Senate Intelligence Committee, using the acronym for President's Daily Brief.

"At a time when our intelligence experts were warning of a possible strike against the United States, it's clear that the administration didn't take the threat seriously enough to marshal the resources that might have possibly thwarted the attack," he said.

CONTINUED...

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/04/09/politics/09PANE.html?...


Bush knew and he stayed on vacation.
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gristy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-04 10:27 PM
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20. Impressive post
Very impressive. I forwarded it to my email list.
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whirlygigspin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-04 11:22 PM
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21. from the warnings? what warnings? department, add Sen.Gary Hart
Senator Hart:

As one of those fearing a near-term attack, I went out on my own throughout the spring and summer of 2001 saying, The terrorists are coming, the terrorists are coming. One of the speeches I gave was, ironically enough, to the International Air Transportation Association in Montreal.

Montreal newspapers headlined the story:


Hart predicts terrorist attacks on America.


By pre-arrangement I had gotten an appointment with Condi Rice the following day and had gone straight from Montreal to Washington to meet with her. And my brief message to her was, Get going on homeland security, you dont have all the time in the world. This was on Sept. 6, 2001. She didnt seem to feel a terrible sense of urgency. Her response was simply Ill talk to the vice president about it.

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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-04 08:44 AM
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22. Book mark this post people! This contains links to the warnings Condi
missed.

:kick:
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-04 10:14 AM
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23. midday kick n/t
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-04 11:12 AM
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24. I see your kick and second, you did a lot of research people need to read
this post!

:kick:
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Van Helsing Donating Member (376 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-04 11:15 AM
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25. All those warnings and no one did a damn thing.
NO ONE!!! Someone should go to prison for this! 9/11 could've been prevented! Thousands killed, and Condi and Dubya didn't do a damn thing. :cry: :grr:

This really pisses me off... :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr:
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mopaul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-04 11:41 AM
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26. The strength of the vampire is that people will not believe in him.
to quote van helsing. that is the strength of the 9-11 hoax.
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-04 02:15 PM
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27. Just kicking!!! n/t
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-04 09:39 PM
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28. A kick to the pants of the BFEE!
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rdfi-defi Donating Member (395 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-04 10:29 PM
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30. nice work
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-04 06:22 AM
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31. Back to one.
:kick:
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