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chelsea0011 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-04 07:39 AM
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It's all about Senator Kennedy
Mitch McConnell says Congress has reached a new height in uncivility with Kennedy calling Iraq "Bush's Vietnam".

And I thought this country would do well to question an immoral war. Guess not. You see we should shoot the messenger. It's Kennedy, right? Need I say more?

McConnell is a crud.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-04 07:42 AM
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1. It was a partisan response... no one pays attention to him, he don't have
Respect.
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-04 07:44 AM
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2. Boortz Was "Balistic"...<gag>
With Malloy this morning. Of course this hyper-spin would be be 180 different if you replaced Iraq with Bosnia and * with Clinton. But then you'd have to change pResident to President, too!
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ACK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-04 07:54 AM
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3. Senator Kennedy kicked ass.
Listen I heard the whole speech.

It was excellent from start to finish. All the people who paint all Dems with the same broad brush of pansy Daschle or traitor Zell listen up.

His speech was excellent. Of course, he is not the only one. There is Byrd and then there is Waxman and Hillary and well you hopefully are getting the picture.

There are plenty of brave Dems in the wilderness shouting out and fighting and still not getting any traction. We call them pusses and put them down but you can't get hearings and fight down the big bills if you are in the minority of both houses.

We have to start thinking like the opposition party and working to expand our base and capture a majority. We have to ramp up and learn to manipulate the media on the same level as the repukes.

If we don't we are just shooting our own people in the head from afar with our words about the spineless Dems and not contributing a thing to a real solution.

Until the radicals from the right are taken out of office there will be no place in America for politics that even begin to tough against the agenda of the folks further to the left.

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dweller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-04 08:39 AM
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6. is there a transcript available?
searched TK's website, and Thomas without luck.

thanks
dp
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Oddman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-04 10:08 AM
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11. Fantastic Speech! Just great! Transcript is here . . .
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diamond14 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-04 10:09 AM
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12. transcript here....Kennedy spoke at the Brookings Institute
here in OUR Nation's Capital...so they posted the transcript...enjoy

http://www.brookings.edu/comm/events/20040405.htm
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RoyGBiv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-04 08:03 AM
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4. Steaming Piles
Mmmhmmm...Yeah, and when Rod Paige referred to the teacher's unions as "terrorist organizations" what was he doing, pitchin' woo? :freak:

I knew they'd harp on Kennedy like this, but I don't care. The man got up and laid it all out there knowing full well he'd be targeted for these kinds of attacks, which shows more character and bravery than the entire GOP. But he also knows he has the kind of stature that his voice will be heard, and in fact the controversy that surrounds him ensures that what he says gets mentioned, even if it is in the context of assaulting his own character.

The one bright spot out of all this crap I've heard this morning is that the phrase "George Bush's Vietnam" has been repeated more times in the last 2 hours than I can count ... there was just another one .. and that's a good thing. Repetition means it gets planted in people's minds.

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chelsea0011 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-04 08:17 AM
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5. You're right. the phrase has gotten a lot of play
IRAQ IS BUSH'S VIETNAM....SAY IT LOUD
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July Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-04 09:00 AM
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7. It is to laugh.
McConnell's "new height in incivility" (shouldn't that be "new low"?) isn't even in the same country as the Repubs calling Clinton a rapist and murderer, Helms's threat to Clinton, or Limbaugh calling Chelsea Clinton the White House dog. And those are just 3 examples out of hundreds.

Now an apt analogy is "uncivility"? And is that freeper spelling of "incivility"?

There's an old saying in France, at least, it used to be in Italy . . . WANT SOME CHEESE WITH THAT WHINE?
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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-04 09:30 AM
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8. Okay... fess up. Who stole Mitch McConnel's lips?
The same person who stole Ed Gillespie's chin? :D
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Tippy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-04 09:51 AM
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9. Man it feels good to have our side doing exactly what
we asked them to do...speak out for us against the Bush gang...Remember when they sat silent after 9/11....A lot of us felt abandoned by our own party. My thanks to Senator Kennedy and to the others who listen to the people...I want Yellow Dogs...no more Lap Dogs...
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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-04 10:06 AM
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10. I guess Frist's attack on Clarke was civil??? n/t
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truthspeaker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-04 10:14 AM
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13. let's compare and contrast:
Vietnam:
1) US had no compelling strategic reason to get involved
2) Planners in Washington made decisions based on assumptions that were incorrect, and ignored information that contradicted those assumptions
3) Many, if not most, of the South Vietnamese we claimed to be defending did not want US troops in their country
4) Troops levels were initially kept low for domestic political reasons, to the detriment of the troops in the field
5) The war was started by a Democratic administration. After things got really bad, a Republican was voted in on the promise of ending the war, but he ended up making things worse.

Iraq:
1) US had no compelling strategic reason to get involved
2) Planners in Washington made decisions based on assumptions that were incorrect, and ignored information that contradicted those assumptions
3) Many, if not most, of the Iraqis we claimed to be liberating did not want US troops in their country
4) Troops levels were initially kept low for domestic political reasons, to the detriment of the troops in the field
5) The war was started by a Republican administration. After things got really bad ... uh oh.
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