"Untrammeled homosexuality" Damn you Gays!

[trumad]

I knew it... I knew it... When I lived in San Francisco and marched in the Gay freedom parades, I just knew by the looks of things that you Gays were Untrammeling society! Damn You!;-)

BTW: If it's true another man can give me a better orgasim than my wife, I might have to consider switch hitting....

From Atrios:
"Untrammeled homosexuality can take over and destroy a social system," says Cameron. "If you isolate sexuality as something solely for one's own personal amusement, and all you want is the most satisfying orgasm you can get- and that is what homosexuality seems to be-then homosexuality seems too powerful to resist. The evidence is that men do a better job on men and women on women, if all you are looking for is orgasm." So powerful is the allure of gays, Cameron believes, that if society approves that gay people, more and more heterosexuals will be inexorably drawn into homosexuality.

"I'm convinced that lesbians are particularly good seducers," says Cameron. "People in homosexuality are incredibly evangelical," he adds, sounding evangelical himself. "It's pure sexuality. It's almost like pure heroin. It's such a rush. They are committed in almost a religious way. And they'll take enormous risks, do anything." He says that for married men and women, gay sex would be irresistible. "Marital sex tends toward the boring end," he points out. "Generally, it doesn't deliver the kind of sheer sexual pleasure that homosexual sex does" So, Cameron believes, within a few generations homosexuality would be come the dominant form of sexual behavior.

http://atrios.blogspot.com/

[terrya]

1. Oh, dear God. The secret's out!! Now EVERYONE will want to become gay...

Our amazing orgasms are legendary. We are fantastic lovers. Our powers of lovemaking are second to none.

And here I thought that secret would be kept!!

:-)

Terry

[carrowsboy1]

2. sorry

Whip me, beat me, make me write bad checks... Just don't ask me to vote Republican!

[SlavesandBulldozers]

3. good lord, i thought that was a joke

i thought it was an Onion article or something.

Sounds like this guy Cameron's in the closet.

[trumad]

4. I looked up untrammeling at Websters... This is what I got..LOL

The word you've entered isn't in the dictionary. Click on a spelling suggestion below or try again using the search box to the right.

Suggestions for untrammeling:

1. intermeddling
2. intermingle
3. intermarrying
4. underwhelming
5. intermingled
6. ultramarines
7. untethering
8. untimeliness
9. unthreatening
10. intermingles

[Touchdown]

17. I had a boyrfriend whos last name was Trammel.

Numbers #1, 4, 8, and 9 described him to a "T"...:evilgrin:

[Cronus Protagonist]

25. Dictionary.com has these entries

2 entries found for untrammelled.

untrammelled

Untrammeled \Un*tram"meled\, a. Not hampered or impeded; free.

Source: Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary, © 1996, 1998 MICRA, Inc.

untrammelled

adj : not confined or limited; "the gift of a fresh eye and an untrammeled curiosity"- Russell Lord; "the untrammeled rush that the snows had shown in the first spring sun"- Farley Mowat

"FUCK BUSH" Buttons, Stickers & Magnets

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

24. Closet? More like a glass house! (nt)

[NicoleM]

5. Says something about the wingers, doesn't it?

1. All they want out of a relationship is to make the O-face. Forget love and emotional intimacy and crap like that. It's all about the sex.

2. Their sex lives are boring. If all they're looking for is a really good orgasm, and their sex lives are boring, then they must be really, really bad at it. Quelle surprise.

[Terran]

6. I'm speechless...

...almost. I have never seen such an *elaborate* theory about homosexuality-as-conspiracy.

Actually, the idea of homosexuality becoming the norm was explored many years ago in Joe Haldeman's "The Forever War". But for Haldeman it took a lot longer than a few generations. This guy has some poretty strange ideas about how the human mind works.

[Kinkistyle]

7. Holy crap is this guy repressed.

He makes gay sex sound like the greatest thing in the world! "Almost like pure heroin.", "Its such a rush", "homosexuality seems too powerful to resist". This guy really needs to come to terms!

I support gay rights and gay marriage and I have never had gay sex, so there is no way I would even know how great of a "rush" it is, nor do I find it particularly "irresistable" :wtf:

[wellstone_democrat]

Hmmm. how would he know this?

Seriously, sounds like Mr. Save the Straight Civilization has done some field research. Otherwise how did he get such a detailed argument. And such an impassioned one too!

inquiring minds want to know Mr. Cameron

[Zookeeper]

43. 'Sounds like he's done a LOT of field research!

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

79. Here's his picture, offered with no comment

[Neecy]

80. hey! I just had lunch!

What's that on his upper lip? Or is his piehole open and he's missing his upper lip (and teeth)?

Since he obviously can't get laid, I suggest he phones 1-900-MANMEAT and experiences one of those heroin rushes over the phone. Hunky operators are standing by.

[JackDragna]

8. Committed in a religious way?

How's what homosexuals do in terms of lifestyle any different from some single straight person who hits a bar or club every weekend looking to pick someone up? Or, for that matter, asks every reasonably attractive person of the opposite sex they meet out anywhere, whether it be at a grocery store, gym or church?

I'm also terribly amused by the rather old-timey idea that something (in this case, homosexual intercourse) is so dark and seductive, it will draw people away from some other behavior. This is a very interesting hypothesis this person has...I wonder if he has any evidence to back it up. Let's also not remind this person that despite our country's intolerance for gays, homosexuality has always existed here and bored married people could find gay or straight sex without too much difficulty (at least in populated areas) if they but looked. What a maroon.

[webDude]

9. Well,... we know SOMEONE'S gay..

nt

[mistertrickster]

10. Thanks for this...now we see how the FReeper mind works.

If it's pleasurable, society must make it FORBIDDEN.

Homosexuality is forbidden.

Therefore, it must be PLEASURABLE.

And since it's really really forbidden, it must be really really pleasurable.

******

Totally fractured logic . . .

[foreigncorrespondent]

11. Um, yeah!

It was the orgasm that made me a lesbian. What an idiot.

Someone had better tell this idiot that a relationship isn't based purely on sex. I would hate to tell him, but I was actually a lesbian long before I had my first sexual encounter with another woman.

[fob]

44. Testify Sister!

"Evangelize" about that first experience, convert some DUers!

[Palacsinta]

12. I'm switching!!

So where do I go to switch? Are there forms at the post office? I have to renew my passport; can I fill 'em out at the same time? Any coupons?
Family discount if my husband switches, too?

Yowza, just bring on those big orgasms!

[seabeyond]

14. bwah ha ha ha ha

funny you

no need to bring homosexuality to such a climax, lessening all other sexual relations in order to be accepted

[Touchdown]

19. OH! OH! Pick me as a sponsor!

I only need 5 more homo converts, and I get a new TiVo!

[foreigncorrespondent]

21. LOL!

Well you got to come along to one of the become a queer nights at the local town hall. It won't cost you a penny, and if you actually join up on the night, we will give you a toaster oven, colour tv, and a set of steak knives.

[damnyankee2601]

27. But do I have to sell Amway? nt

[foreigncorrespondent]

28. No!

But it is required to sell "queerway" which of course is getting more people to join the queer movement, and see the light. ;)

[damnyankee2601]

32. So it's still multi-level marketing?

No, thanks. I won't drink that kool-aid.

But I'll drink your beer...

I just have to tell ya, if I didn't post here I would go nuts. Houston is the most homophobic place I have ever lived. Hell, they hate me just for not being homophobic. While Mr. Happy isn't interested in consummating anything, I'm in serious need of some gay freinds to help me learn to live happily as a persecuted minority.

[Zookeeper]

45. Meat Raffle at the VFW?

[BiggJawn]

72. Toaster Oven? AND mind-blowing Orgasms?

As Quark would say, "I'm all Ears"...
Don't need any steak knives, don't eat that much steak.

[ET Awful]

13. I may not stop laughing until tomorrow . . .

If you don't hear from me it's because collapsed from lack of oxygen because I couldn't stop laughing and couldn't catch my breath.

BUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!

I've heard some STUPID anti-gay rants before, but this is without a doubt the stupidest.

[damnyankee2601]

22. Me too.

HEEHEEHEEHOOHOOHOOHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[skypilot]

15. This guy...

...has either had gay sex or else he spends an inordinate amount of time thinking about it. If he has, in fact, had gay sex that is like "pure heroin" then I'm really pissed. I'm a gay man and I'm still waiting for an experience like that. Where is he meeting his dudes? On the other hand if just the thought of gay sex is "such a rush" this guy needs to come out of the closet soon. It must be really hot in there.

[Neecy]

16. my, my

If anyone is familiar with homophobic literature, this spew is pretty much par for the course. The focus on homoerotica and gay sex is an obsession for these closet cases (although most overlook lesbian sex completely, since they're so focused on the gay male orgasm. The fact that he threw in the old 'lesbian seduction' myth means he probably subscribes to Showtime).

[damnyankee2601]

26. I don't know where to find homophobic "literature."

But if this is a sample, I want to read more. It's as funny as Al Franken.

[Neecy]

35. well....

Most of it isn't terribly funny, unfortunately. Probably the ugliest example out there is godhatesfags.com, but it's all pretty much the same garbage.

[damnyankee2601]

47. OK. I won't bother.

You have confirmed my suspiscions. That's why I never sought any out. I usually try to read a certain ammount of enemy correspondence for rhetorical training purposes, but some stuff is just too disgusting to deal with. I don't need to lick shit to know it stinks.

[Neecy]

50. yup

The only value to Phelps' site is that it shows our friends what we're up against, especially as the rhetoric heats up regarding the marriage issue. There are people out there - more than a few - who advocate death and murder and who revel in tragedy. The fact that he gives the number of days that Diane Whipple has spent 'in hell' - a woman who was mauled by a dog, whose death had zero to do with her homosexuality - should frighten all of us.

[damnyankee2601]

52. OK, I checked out the site.

But jeez, are we sure this is real? It's so weird it seems like another version of Landover Babtist or Betty Bowers. And the symbols are all mixed up. What's with the rainbows around the flags that they stand on? And aren't upside down flags a typical leftist symbol? (I was inthe Army, I know where it comes from.) Do these people really think that picketing Shrub and Cal Thomas advances their cause?

Geez. So many questions. These people are either left-wing agent provacateurs or bona-fide head cases.

[Neecy]

55. oh, it's real

...and that site was once hosted by a Phelps grandson on the Kansas State University servers. Our tax dollars at work, eh?

He uses symbols like the rainbow flag in a mocking way. Most interesting is how he always has his homoerotic drawing of gay males having sex (at least, his fantasy of same) on his signs when he pickets AIDS funerals. Like most 'phobes, his obsession with gay sex is pretty telling.

[damnyankee2601]

57. I'm not convinced.

It's just so weird, and the way it uses the word "fag" with no other synonyms or adjectives seems like a comedic device. Also, the site includes advice on how "fags" can make money from their pickets.

Even if it is real, it is better for our side than theirs. We should start sending out letters from their website (in Shrub's name) to undecided voters. Then when they get on TV, people will associate them with the GOP. How great would that be?

[kayell]

65. He's real, He's well known

There is lot of info on Phelps out there in old news stories.

If you have the stomach for the history of the Phelps clan - look here http://smithbrad.nventure.com/phelps.htm

[damnyankee2601]

69. OK.

I still think he's a great divider for the fall campaign. Sort of Shrub's Willie Horton.

[damnyankee2601]

74. Read it. Good lord, this guy is evil.

Still, we can turn him to our advantage. If he really is that hateful, it shouldn't be too hard to get him to assault me. That would make good TV.

[skippysmom]

18. "People in homosexuality are incredibly evangelical,"

Well, yeah...they need those toaster ovens! :)

[Lindsay]

20. Sheesh, what kind of loser am I?

I've never been evangelized by a lesbian.

Maybe they ended the contest in my part of the country? Or ran out of toaster ovens?


-edited for additional snark

[Neecy]

29. it's really just plain exhaustion

Don't feel bad, most of us are 'on the road' 24/7 having our massive Tent Revivals for Lesbianism and just haven't gotten to you yet. Let's face it, there are hordes of straight women out there who need their heroin rush, and only so many of us.

[foreigncorrespondent]

30. ROFLMAO!

Didn't you know, you have to write and request us to come to your part of the country, so we can have our become a queer nights at your local town hall?

[damnyankee2601]

23. Too weird. But just for the record...

What with all the evangenlical gays trying to convert me and all the heroin pushers trying to addict me, I check whith Mr. Happy from time to time. And after 42 years, he's still adamant that boobies and big hips are way more fun than heroin and hot dogs.

[mac56]

31. Which Trammell? Alan or Bubba?

;-)

[Hamlette]

33. I've heard this argument in more "acceptable" terms

that people hate gays because they are afraid they will seduce their children and turn them gay. Oh brother.

I always act shocked when they tell me that and say: "What? You mean you think you child would be attracted to someone of the same sex? How very odd. I've never been sexually attracted to another woman so it never crossed my mind that my son would be seduced by a man. You're attracted to who you're attracted to. I've always thought God's most cruel practical joke was to make women and men so different and then make it so we fall in love with each other! What was THAT all about?"

[kayell]

34. "Lesbians are particularly good seducers"

Sheesh, what is wrong with me? I've got to work on getting my conversion count up. I'm way below quota. Maybe if I tell all the straight women about the incredible, unbelievable, sheer sexual pleasure that they will experience? Yeah, that should work.

[foreigncorrespondent]

37. LOL!

Hell I am slack. I haven't signed anyone up yet. I am going to lose my lesbian badge the way I am going. ;)

[Neecy]

40. according to the experts...

If your recruiting is down, it might be because your homosexuality has become trammeled. Try untrammeling it.

Hope this helps!

[kayell]

46. I've checked the definitions for trammeling above

and it appears that I need to do lots of untethered intermingling in order to untrammel my homosexuality.

I'll be getting right to work on that. I wouldn't want to be a disgrace to the homosexual cause by being an inefficient recruiter.

[lapislzi]

48. Do you guys have quotas?

Does anyone check on the recidivism rate of recruits? I'd join up but I'm afraid I'd lapse back into heterosexual, and they'd have to deduct it from your commission...

[kayell]

49. So long as you don't lapse within a year, the commision stays

and in any case we get to keep the toaster ovens. Haven't you ever noticed the number of toaster ovens at yard sales?

I wouldn't worry about lapsing. Once you have experience the sheer, mind blowing, heroin like rush of homosexual sex, you aren't going to go back to that soft stuff. Bwaaahaaahaaa

[chiburb]

59. NSMA once asked for advice on seducing a woman...

I told her "just listen to her". It should work if she's married to a guy...

[Johnyawl]

76. ouch!

that hurt. ;(

[skypilot]

36. Is there an e-mail address...

...for "The Daily Show". If there is, someone should send this too them. I would love to see Jon Stewart weigh in on this.

[LeahMira]

38. Sounds like Cameron's afraid he might like it...

I've read the same sort of argument from a fundamentalist Christian woman on another board, but she was against oral sex. Seems her husband had introduced her to this and she liked it so well that she wasn't so interested in the standard version. Of course she needed to indulge in the standard version in order to fulfill her role as a Christian woman, i.e., to reproduce.

Sadly, though, one of her children died at twentysomething and she felt this was punishment for all the times she had oral sex instead of being open to procreation.

It's sad when you understand the fear that these folks live with and the horrible guilt they feel. Especially sad that they imagine the little pleasures they allowed themselves to enjoy are going to be punished eventually. Maybe it's part of the plan that they should enjoy these pleasures so they can remind themselves that the world is not joyless and hopeless when the inevitable hard times arrive.

[seabeyond]

39. leah

that is it. yes to you. and yes, sad

[lapislzi]

41. I have to face facts: I am the human equivalent of Teflon

Nothing sticks. Religion never stuck. I was sent to church for 18 years, but it never "took." I'm an atheist.

Now, lesbianism. There must be something wrong with me. All the proseletyzing, the seductions, even the lure of stratospheric orgasms...I just can't become gay, no matter how hard I try.

<irony ON>

[lcooksey]

42. Paul Cameron, oh brother

What a nutcase. He's been spouting this nonsense for years.

[noiretextatique]

51. "I'm convinced that lesbians are particularly good seducers,"

:argh: the secret is out!!!! i use my (almost) evangelical powers to lure unsuspecting heterosexual women into having great sex :scared: at this rate, i will have the entire female population of california converted in no time :7

[Neecy]

53. not to worry

I've already untrammeled Oakland (well, all of Alameda county), but Contra Costa and San Mateo counties are up for grabs. I could probably use some help spreading my heroin rushes through Marin.

[trumad]

56. Thank you Mr. Cameron

for providing fodder for one of the funnist threads that I've read in a long time... I know, I know, I started it, but you guy's are making it hilarious.

[noiretextatique]

78. my untammeling days are over...but

i have mastered the laying on of tongue :evilgrin: so i still have my (almost) evangelical powers O8)

[eissa]

54. I feel neglected

How come I've never been seduced? Don't you lesbians find me attractive? EVANGELIZE ME!!!!!

God, does this guy reveal A LOT about his sex life -- apparently, it's boring and he has fantasies of gay sex. As is typical of repukes, they think they speak for everyone. I'm married and have no problem with orgasms :-)

[kayell]

58. We have to leave a few heterosexuals unevangelized, in order to

avoid too serious a drop in population levels. I'm sorry to say that you may have been one of the unfortunates chosen for the job of "Permanent Official Heterosexual" by lottery. If you would like to have your case reviewed, please submit proof of reproduction and fill out form I-73-b in triplicate. It is helpful to include references from 3 or more homosexuals who know you well and can testify to your moral and ethical qualities. You will also need a doctors certificate stating that you are physically up to the rigors of mind blowing, intense sexual pleasure.

[damnyankee2601]

61. Damn bureaucratic red tape.

I may have to vote Republican to reduce your government regualtions. I just went to the Dr. for a physical, and she poked my butt and told me I was physically fit. But it didn't do much for Mr. Happy, so I'm not so sure she was right.

[eissa]

66. LOL!

Are you sure that's the right form? Because my lesbian representative at the local evangelical center said it was I-69 :evilgrin:

I've already reproduced, and am working on the other two requirements. BTW, my husband wants to know if there is some sort of initiation ritual, and if so, can he watch? Oh man....we're gonna get locked here soon!!

[kayell]

77. Oops, you are right! DamnYankee, don't fill out that form

The form I refered to, the I-73-b is the one for requesting reassignment to group activities with variations (b). (Its the I-69 plus 4). That is a very specialized request, available only in limited areas. Please fill out the I-69 or other appropriate request for your preferences as noted above. A recruiter will be in contact. Please select the model and finish color for your toaster oven.

[damnyankee2601]

60. I thought every man wanted to be evangelized...

...by a lesbian. 2 if possible.

Methinks the right wing has lost all grasp on reality. It remains to be seen if the electorate has lost it, too.

[Name removed]

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[kayell]

67. Hunh?

[FlaGranny]

68. Hunh? - is right.

What was that?

[Neecy]

70. hey! He's one of us!

...and here's proof...

"the result of the right for gays to mary is out of hand"

[FlaGranny]

63. I find this guys views humorous in the extreme.

Was snickering out loud by the end of your post. This guy Cameron is obviously projecting his own feelings onto everyone else. He probably doesn't even realize that a person who is 100% heterosexual doesn't have urges to indulge in sexual behavior with the same sex.

Edit: This whole thread is hilarious. Glad I read it. Thanks for posting it.

[hatrack]

64. When the Gay Recruitment Center opened down the street, I wondered

But now I know what it's really all about.

Forget work - I'm taking the afternoon off so I can go get RECRUITED!!

[TrogL]

71. Paul Cameron is an ex-gay spokesperson

from NARTH.

http://members.shaw.ca/trogl/orient.html

[damnyankee2601]

75. That explains a lot. Thanks. nt

[5thGenDemocrat]

73. Dear Mr Cameron

I like Broadway show tunes. Should I be worried?
John
And I already have a toaster oven. Can I get an electric can opener instead?