Lou Dobbs and Glassman are going at it on Moneyline!

[Ilsa]

They almost got hot. Dobbs let him finish and Glassman won't let Dobbs finish. Dobbs is bringing up reality vs theory.

"It's not working, Jim!"

"What are you going to retrain them for, Jim?"

[corporatewhore]

1. tv is being used by some one else what are they talking about

[Jacobin]

3. outsourcing

dobbs is yelling at him

[Jacobin]

2. Looks like they are about to come to physical blows to me!!!!

Loving this!!!!!

This moron is DEFENDING the fact that millions are unemployed and how GREAT it is

Please, can we have him campaign for smirky??

:bounce:

[VolcanoJen]

4. Ya know, I'm starting to really like Lou Dobbs.

He's been all over the shifting "outsource" economy, and has been terribly critical of it.

Yesterday, when the "Poll of the Day" question asked "Was Bush Correct When He Said 'Outsourcing' Would Eventually Be Good For The Economy," he revealed the answers, stating something to the effect of "5% replied yes, and I'm proud to announce that 95% of you said no."

Go, Lou. You're really beginning to redeem yourself in my eyes.

[juajen]

55. I've been liking him for some time

I rarely miss his show. He is a true "compassionate conservative." I know in my heart he is a republican, but, IMHO, he is fair to dems and pugs alike. I wouldn't hesitate to vote for him for President, as long as no good dem was running. He, alone, has kept corporate malfeasance and job outsourcing in front of the public eye. For this, and his inherent politeness to dems who visit with him, we owe him. No matter what hat he wears, he is a good American.

[OhioStateProgressive]

57. Lou Dobbs is a rare breed...Populist Republican(nt)

[nostamj]

5. glASSman is more like it

keep hitting Lou!!

he's ridiculing the man. amazing TV!

[laruemtt]

6. go Lou! give it to 'im!

this glassman idiot is being completely obtuse. i dn't see how lou is keeping it as together as he is.

[Cooley Hurd]

7. Lou is kicking AEI-boy's ASS!!

Lou to Jim: "Look right into the camera at the 15 million unemployed and tell them our economy is booming!"
:D

[MuseRider]

8. Lou Dobbs

is going to have a brain hemorrage pretty soon if he doesn't stop this! I have begun to like him too.

[TahitiNut]

9. Glassman is like Goebbels reincarnated.

Strawmen, half-truths, quibbling over terminology, denial of facts, ... the Reichbot from the AEI is showing where the "evil-doers" are .. and he's one of them.

[grasswire]

10. unreal!

Dobbs: "You sound like a cult member!"

[grasswire]

14. Lou is irate

I've never seen an argument like this on television.

[TahitiNut]

34. I've gotten so I don't miss Dobbs anymore.

He's rare these days: an ethical capitalist who realizes it's labor that creates wealth. The greatest danger to capitalism is greedy, unethical capitalists.

This is the key to understanding why shipping jobs overseas has become more attractive in recent years. Laborers, even in the US, only receive less than 40% of the value (NIBTDA) of their labor. The real interest in shipping jobs to other countries isn't just the cost of labor (i.e. compensation) ... it's the cost of making plants safe, the cost of workman's compensation, the cost of unemployment when they repeatedly "downsize", the cost of paying taxes (like for a military budget), the cost of cleaning up their own pollutants, and the cost of civil liabilities. Every reputable study still shows that American workers are the most cost-effective (productive) on the planet ... and the American CEO is the least cost-effective.

[nostamj]

52. Dobbs has become a MUST see for me

and I find myself quoting him in my calls to Guy James.

it isn't always great, but nights like tonight.

and when he said: it's not a jobless recovery, it's a job LOSS recovery.

and when he said to a guest who talked about the rising stock market: I don't care about the market, what about the COUNTRY?

[JasonBerry]

53. And how about that Einstein quote? Wow! ... N/T

[nostamj]

56. actually,

he used the same quote last night as well....

[calimary]

67. Dobbs was the one to coin the phrase "SELFISH Recovery."

GREAT meme. Should be on signs and billboards and bumper stickers plastered all over the place whenever/wherever bush shows his ugly face.

[Ysabel]

66. While I'm glad that dobbs was hard on glassman...

I'm having a bit of trouble with the idea of "ethical capitalist"...

edit - typo...

editing twice - to ask a question (and I don't really expect an answer, nor do I really mean to detract - just sort of pondering to myself and to whoever else) what does capitalism mean - if not - "one entity getting over on another entity"...?

er - editing thrice - and hey! where's my old sig (okay - I really know they were all deleted a long time ago - guess I'll have to correct that)...

In the meantime...

--------------------------------------------

WTO = World Take Over...

[barbaraann]

61. Lou is right. Most Republicans ARE cult members.

n/t

[VolcanoJen]

22. Spot ON, TahitiNut.

Perfect explanation of all that Glassman is.

Great show! Be sure to catch this exchange on the repeat, tonight at 11:00 pm ET!

[blm]

11. OMG. Lou Dobbs is going at him.

This is the Lou Dobbs I respect. He reeks when he defends Bush. Maybe that's over, eh?

[JasonBerry]

54. Haven't heard much of that in the last six months...N/T

[bluestateguy]

12. What is the deal with Dobbs?

I thought he was a conservative.

[nostamj]

15. you can be a conservative

w/o being a neocon/fascist like glASSman

[grasswire]

17. he is a conservative

...but he is furious about two things: immigration and outsourcing.

[berry]

46. He's also angry about corporate corruption

He's been keeping that count of how many days since the Enron scandal broke and how many people (not) indicted. But now I see that he ends the program with a list of companies exporting jobs. Has he stopped reporting on the foot-dragging on dealing with corporate scandals?

I don't watch Lou every day, but I too caught the exchange with Glassman and was amazed. I do recommend catching the rerun, or getting the transcript.

[NashVegas]

18. I Think He's An "Old School" Capitalist / Small 'c' Conservative

he's doing the lord's work.

[Nashyra]

19. Lou Dobbs is awesome tonite

made mince meat out of that guy.

[thinkingwoman]

23. He IS a conservative

A real conservative.

Neocon fundies are NOT real conservatives.

[laruemtt]

13. wow - this is a trip!

hope lou stays safe.................

[M0rpheus]

16. Ouch!

Did he just call Glassman a sycophant?!?

Go Lou!
:toast:

[nostamj]

20. payback! glassman called Lou a sycophant

in his article

[DemBones DemBones]

48. Yes, he called him a sycophant!

I love TiVo because of instant replay! Towards the end of their argument, Lou said:

"You sound like a cult member! There's a mantra -- you say 'market,' you say 'largest' and 'dynamic' and that simply removes the need for rationality?

Then they were talking over each other some but I heard the 'sycophant' slur again:

".. . . and you're too smart to buy in, as a sycophantic response to your corporate bosses, and say 'Whatever you want to do'. . ."

I guess everyone saw the clip from Glassman' article, which referred to Dobbs as sycophantic?

Amazingly reminiscent of WWE! :-)


I truly appreciate Dobbs's continuing discussion of outsourcing, problems caused by NAFTA and WTO, and problems with excessive immigration. It isn't fair that people sneak into the U.S. from Mexico and live here illegally, when legal immigrants from countries like the Philippines have to wait years and years to be able to bring their family members over.

[moondust]

21. Boob O' the Day ain't gonna fool Lou.

Lou knows exactly what this outsourcing business is all about.

[buycitgo]

25. Glassman.....Dow 36,000......remember that book?

What makes the Dow at 10,000 particularly noteworthy for us is that it means that the index has to rise a mere 26,000 more points to vindicate the prophecy of those two jokers who achieved 15 seconds of fame when we were in full bubble by predicting it would hit 36,000 . We kind of miss them; they were always good for comic relief. Another 500 points and we've a hunch they'll be back peddling the same old moonshine.

Barrons, December 13, 2003

[moondust]

40. That was him? HaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHa!!

I remember it. I think he missed his calling in life.

[Elwood P Dowd]

24. I wish he would have closed with

"Viewers, you have just witnessed a man who wants to destroy the United States Of America just so his rich CEO friends can become even richer".

Keep after the crooks Lou.

[buycitgo]

26. Gergen on now

saying they're usually politically savvy:

surprised they put numbers on job growth, and is putting himself out there publicly, economy, especially after last year's prediction was so far off

[VolcanoJen]

43. I love Gergen, and I really loved the way he thanked Dobbs...

... for being the only journalist out there pushing the issue of the Exportation of American Jobs.

Gergen is a guy I really, really respect. Add Dobbs to the list, too.

[juajen]

62. I'm so glad to hear good things about Lou on here

For a while I was a voice in the wilderness. I always felt I would be hammered by taking up for him. I never was, but sometimes there were pregnant pauses. Months ago I stopped watching my local news and Peter Jennings so I could watch Lou Dobbs. I've never missed 'em. Also, after him, I watch Anderson Cooper. He's not as good as Lou, but he is definitely coming along. Good for CNN. I am going to write them with thanks for these shows. I hope a lot of you do, also.

[Gin]

27. THAT was good TV.....Lou has been doing great shows lately.

keep up the good fight Lou!

[VolcanoJen]

28. MUST SEE TV!!!! Repeat at 11:00 pm ET, CNN, tonight

And let's all be sure to write to Lou Dobbs, thanking him for being pretty much the only mainstream media journalist currently standing up for the American Worker.

[dodger501]

29. 2 questions, please?

Who is Glassman and will this be repeated tonight?

[buycitgo]

33. try this

http://www.turtletrader.com/glass-glass-baby.html

glassman writes opeds for the Post, used to be on Rukheyser's show, Capital Gang, other stuff

supply side imbecile

wrote book reviewed in link.....said Dow would go to 36K!

[buycitgo]

30. Kerry better get his flak jacket on

things are going to get much tougher, he says.

says Kerry has to get more specific; can't run on generalities, as he's been doing so far.

gee, you mean like the monkey king?

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[VolcanoJen]

32. Would someone kindly give me the Goods on Glassman?

I've seen him before, but I'm not terribly familiar with his background.

Gimme the dirt, educated econ-watchers!

:D

[buycitgo]

36. here......have fun

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=glassman+dow+36%2C000

[VolcanoJen]

39. Thanks, buycitgo!!! See ya in a few hours!

:D

[Jacobin]

42. BWaaahahahahaha he's the "Dow going to 36,000" guy!!!!

Too fucking funny for words!!!!!!

:bounce:


:bounce:

[VolcanoJen]

44. I thought that was him!!!!!!!

Thanks for the confirmation, Jacobin! I was going to write that, but wasn't sure. I just knew that was him!

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/0812931459.01._PE_PIdp-schmoo2,TopRight,7,-26_SCMZZZZZZZ_.jpg

:D

[Jacobin]

38. Oh Boy!!!! YOu aint gonna believe this:

Exporting Lou Dobbs Print Mail



By James K. Glassman
Posted: Tuesday, February 10, 2004

ARTICLES
Scripps Howard News Service
Publication Date: February 9, 2004

What's gotten into Lou Dobbs? Once a sensible, if self-important and sycophantic, CNN anchor, he has suddenly become a table-thumping protectionist.

Dobbs has been running a series--praised by the AFL-CIO's Rich Trumka as a "nightly crusade"--called "Exporting America." Slanted and inflammatory, it decries "outsourcing" or "offshoring"--that is, U.S. businesses using suppliers in other countries, like workers in Ghana processing New York parking tickets or programmers in India writing IBM software.

Another word for outsourcing is "trade," an endeavor, as economists learned early on, that benefits both parties to the exchange.

Nothing has changed since Adam Smith wrote in 1776: "It is the maxim of every prudent master of a family never to make at home what it will cost him more to make than to buy."

Still, writes Julian Sanchez of Reason magazine, "Free traders are trapped in a public policy version of 'Groundhog Day,' forced to refute the same fallacious arguments over and over again, decade after decade."

While trade can cause pain to some workers, lack of trade causes far more. Imagine if software firms did not search the world for the best labor at the best price. Consumers would pay more, and shareholders would have less to reinvest, which would mean fewer jobs for Americans.

http://www.aei.org/news/filter.,newsID.19890/news_detail.asp

NO WONDER THE FUR WAS FLYING

[VolcanoJen]

41. Lou showed this comment, highlighting the "sychophant" comment!

He called Glassman on it... I doubt he'll be a guest on CNN anytime soon.

If you can't stand the heat...

[buycitgo]

49. what a disingenuous DICK....see quote from above

"While trade can cause pain to some workers, lack of trade causes far more. Imagine if software firms did not search the world for the best labor at the best price. Consumers would pay more, and shareholders would have less to reinvest, which would mean fewer jobs for Americans."

uhhhhh, lesseee here.

"some pain"??????

what exactly do you MEAN by that, you callous PRICK?

so, software firms search globe for cheapest labor, consumers pay less.

how can you pay less than NOTHING, when you;ve lost your JOB, and don't have any money to buy ANYthing.

shareholders would have less to invest, meaning fewer jobs?????/

what an ASS! shareholder investing means buying more STOCK, not companies investing in more capital, creating employment, etc.

you ASSWIPE, even as these companies increase their bottom lines, they EXPORT jobs! that's one of the chief ways they're improving their profitability: laying people off, outsourcing, forcing that fabulous "increased productivity" on those lucky enough to keep theirs.

that's why my brother quit his excellent job at GE when that prick Jack Welch decided that he, and lots of others could do the job of two or three people, forcing him to do the work of a guy in Cleveland that got FIRED. My brother did his own job in Milwaukee, while commuting back and forth from Cleveland for awhile. He told them to stuff it. When he quit, they had a going away party for him, and half the office (on the QT) asked him if they could get a job with his new company.

Bite my lily-white ass, you greedy fascist pig

[Kinkistyle]

60. Glassman is an "astroturfer" - fake "grassroots" formletters to papers

Glassman is the head of several organizations that "mimic" think-tanks and conduct those fake grassroot letter campaigns (also known as "astroturfing") where the same form-letter supporting some repug issue is sent to papers all around country.

Read this article by Nick Confessore about Glassman from the Washington Monthly:

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2003/0312.confessore.html

[mhr]

35. Send Lou Dobbs A Thank You ----- [email protected]

eom

[bandy]

45. already did

as soon as it was over. He was great! and has been hammering away at this issue for weeks. I have become a nightly fan. This is a man of conscience and conviction. Hope he gets to keep his job.

[VolcanoJen]

37. WOW! "Tonight's Thought" on Lou Dobbs - Einstein Quote

Lou Dobbs wrapped up that explosive Glassman segment (don't look for him to appear again on CNN anytime soon) with Tonight's Thought:

"Few people are capable of expressing with equanimity opinions which differ from the prejudices of their social environment. Most people are even incapable of forming such opinions." - Albert Einstein

After reading the quote, Lou added, in a final swipe at Glassman, "We have demonstrated the truth tonight, again, of Albert Einstein's words."

[Elwood P Dowd]

64. I was ROTFLMAO as the old internet saying goes

when Lou did that. I wonder if Glassman pooped in his little repuke panties after hearing that?

[mhr]

47. My Thank You Letter To Mr. Dobbs

Mr. Dobbs,

I wanted to thank you for speaking truth to power on the US Economy.

Your discussion today with Mr. James Glassman was the most honest and direct reporting I have ever seen on the current US economy.

You have my undying gratitude for your continued focus on the issue of off-shoring and outsourcing.

Displaced and unemployed American workers are eternally grateful for your efforts.

Please keep up the good work.

Sincerely,

MHR
Dallas, TX

[T Roosevelt]

50. And he mentioned the magic phrase

"cheap labor"

It was so nice to see Lou reveal Glassman for the jackass that he is. I have never liked him, and I still don't.

If it's replayed - definitely a must see.

[JasonBerry]

51. Was that not ** Incredible ** ????

Wow, Lou!! Rarely have I seen such truth telling and indignation on television. Stunned, I am. I can't help but love Lou for his using the phrase "corporate crooks" and his scorecard on how many Enron execs have been indicted/gone to jail, etc. But I don't know if I've ever seen a journalist nail anyone like Dobbs did tonight. That was just surreal.

[Michael Harrington]

58. James Glassman is a buffoon.

He's a Randian (he's quite proud of it.) He used to moderate a show on either CNBC or MSNBC. I actually heard the motherfucker defend child labor in the Third World once. (I seem to remember that the show ended raight after that...) He's a vile piece of shit.

Right before Dobbs made that hilarious "cult" remark tonight, I was thinking that Glassman sounded like a Baptist of the "God said it, I believe it and that settles it" variety. He's actually blinkered enough to think that corporations reinvest their profits :7 How out to lunch can you be?

Go read a few more pages of Atlas Shrugged, dumbass.

[nostamj]

59. my mail to Lou

Mr. Dobbs,

I never miss your program these days.

As a recent victim of the 'job loss' recovery, your honest reporting on the realities of the economy is of intense interest to me.

Tonight's confrontation with the hapless and repugnant Glassman was some of the best television I've ever seen.

Bless you, be well, and keep up the extraordinary work.

xxxxxxxxx, Brooklyn

[GregW]

63. Transcript is up ...

http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0402/12/ldt.00.html

[knight_of_the_star]

65. Lou Dobbs

Is a real Republican, he is one that I can respect.