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GCP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 08:25 PM
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Anyone see the Amanpour piece on 60 Minutes?
It was amazing. She actually had the balls to show what's really happening over there - an Iraqi family shot up by mistake, a father and son shot and another 9 year old son missing, and the commander of the unit was denying everything. "They shot at us, there were no kids involved, yada yada yada".
Amanpour pressed and pressed, and the commander went and checked and came back shame-faced to say that, "yes, actually there were kids involved, but we don't know where the 9 year old one is".
Another American officer who knew the family found out the truth, that the truck in front of theirs had fired at the troops, and the troops fired back at the innocent family. The 9 year old was found in an American hospital after being missing to his family for days.
The other shocker was the American sergeant who'd been wounded. You saw him when she'd taped him months ago in Iraq, then he was injured and you saw him back in America, with a hole in his head and a huge scar around his mouth. He wants to go back to be with his unit.
Powerful stuff.
She's the new Helen Thomas.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 08:31 PM
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1. My hubby and I watched it....
Edited on Sun Feb-08-04 08:32 PM by leftchick
Christiane has not given one inch in her reporting from Iraq. I happened to be overseas a few months ago and caught her regular CNN International News Show which I can't get here. It was fantastic and hard hitting.... <sigh> if only we had her here nightly......
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sushi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 09:09 PM
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9. Why don't you get to see
CNN International News Show in America?
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 09:39 PM
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15. I have cable... to the best of my knowledge CNNI
is not available on cable in the USA.
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Cat Atomic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 09:41 PM
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17. That's the whole purpose for CNNi.
CNN wants to broadcast outside the US, but their US Pravda wouldn't pass as news anywhere else. And so there is CNNi, 'news for the people who can't vote in the US, and therefore don't have to be lied to'.
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 11:57 PM
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31. Let's petition...
CCNr (CNN-Rove) to put some of this stuff on the air. There are probably still people who believe that the people in the ME hate us "for our freedom" and not because ROve has made us a nation of murdering thugs.

Write to CNN
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 08:36 PM
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2. Yes.
I believe thats the first time I saw a wounded soldier at Walter Reed and some truth telling and real scenes of Iraq since the goddamn invasion started.
I started crying, and rightly so..I have to imagine my stepson walking into that. Hes just a clueless kid who goofs around, and all I could think of was , when I saw all those soldiers standing in the streets, with people yelling at them, the one soldier with the head blown off and the disfigured face, the YOUNG faces on there..
all I could think of was my stepson standing there...My very very Naieve stepson who is totally clueless about what he is going to see..
I broke down in the kitchen a half hour ago just shaking .
But I know this must be shown on TV..we need to see more of this, and as much as I hate CB$, I commend 60 minutes for showing it.
and Christine Amanpour.
This kind of coverage is overdue.
Long overdue.
Time to show the caskets and the body bags and the truth.
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ignatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 08:45 PM
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3. Mari333, cry friend. Let those emotions out and know that many here
will have you in their thoughts and hopes. It looks like Bush and Co and their lies are catching up with them, so hopefully a new president will persuade a coalition to help in Iraq and start sending our children home.

Hang in there lady, millions and millions of people are working to change this monstrous regime. Have your cry, but stay angry and continue to fight the good fight.
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 08:49 PM
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4. I will Im goddamned angry
so angry I could scream. Tolanias husband is over there, now veganwitch's cousin, my stepson is on his way and believe me the more people that come on these boards the more you will see people whose lives are being affected by this in such ways as are unimaginable
Please support the military families who will be marching on March 14 to sit down and demonstrate at Dover AF base demanding that the coffins be shown on TV..and the wounded are reported who are in Walter Reed...right now military families are being blacked out
The truth needs to be shown
www.mfso.org
www.bringthemhomenow.com
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berry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 08:51 PM
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5. I too was riveted.
It was a powerful statement. And as I watched it, I realized how very, very little is now being reported from Iraq--some statistics, some political statements, a little analysis. But for the most part, the media has moved on. Amanpour did a wonderful job of letting the people speak for themselves.

I hardly ever remember to check out 60 Minutes on Sundays. I'm very glad I did tonight. Too bad it isn't archived somewhere for those who missed it.
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PaDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 08:59 PM
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6. Very little being reported from Iraq...
It's a total shame..Seeing the dishonesty and lies that the people have been fed, I wouldn't put it past those pukes to say "out of sight, out of mind", only because NONE of them have kids or family in Iraq..These nuts have become accustomed to getting away with whatever because they stole the biggest challenge of all, 2000. They think their brainwashing methods via the media will keep the people quiet. It's time for the people to hold them all accountable for what they've done, and time for everyone to take it in the streets quickly because they've worked on their project since pops was bounced.
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pinkpops Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 09:02 PM
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7. There was an officer who characterized resistance fighters as
cowards, as if the brave thing for them to do would be to march down the street with their pea shooters to be slaughtered by American firepower. And the denial of civilian casualties after the street scenes with bullets flying and people ducking for cover is unbelievable.
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qanda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 09:05 PM
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8. It was sad and sickening
I couldn't believe they were holding that child and had the nerve to say that they didn't believe any children were in the truck. My husband and I just looked at each other and shook our heads. What is our country turning into?
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pansypoo53219 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 09:15 PM
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10. george
has made us the bad guys.

and from corrente blog-he is an oedippussy.
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Nomad559 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 09:24 PM
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11. Amanpour: CNN practiced self-censorship
I love Christiane Amanpour :) She's the BEST journalist on Television.

CNN practiced self-censorship

-Snip-


CNN's top war correspondent, Christiane Amanpour, says that the press muzzled itself during the Iraq war. And, she says CNN "was intimidated" by the Bush administration and Fox News, which "put a climate of fear and self-censorship."

As criticism of the war and its aftermath intensifies, Amanpour joins a chorus of journalists and pundits who charge that the media largely toed the Bush administrationline in covering the war and, by doing so, failed to aggressively question the motives behind the invasion.

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democrank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 09:27 PM
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12. Hope Bush saw Amanpour`s report
so he could get an up close and personal glimpse of things going well in Iraq. The disfigured sergeant says he wants to go back, but I wonder if he`ll feel the same a few months from now when PTSD rears its ugly head and haunts him for life.

Well, we got most of the family in the old red pickup, including a nine year old child. Poor folks just out trying to sell their chickens, when BAM! lives lost and lives changed forever. I guarantee had Amanpor`s cameras not been there on a search for the truth, the networks might have shown a clip with a few chicken feathers floating around, but we would never have seen that young boy in the hospital with his shattered legs and broken heart. We brought democracy all right....too bad this boy`s father and brother didn`t live to see it.

I can`t take much more of this war and Bush`s filthy, evil lies.And, I`m sick to death of hearing about the Superbowl`s half time show. I don`t really give a damn about some kid grabbing his gyrating crotch. I`m thinking about the kid in Iraq grabbing the hole where his leg used to be. Who`s doing the sacrificing here?
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qanda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 09:31 PM
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13. Very well put and
Welcome to DU :hi:
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 09:41 PM
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16. well he won't read newspapers,,,,
why the hell would he bother with tv unless it was to play video games.... so sad.
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Poiuyt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 11:16 PM
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24. Why the hell would bush care?
Remember how he mocked that girl that he executed in Texas?
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ignatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 08:02 AM
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44. That was so eloquent, you have brought tears to my eyes.
Welcome and thanks for help in fighting the good fight.
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Jim__ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 09:36 PM
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14. I agree - powerful stuff
Edited on Sun Feb-08-04 09:37 PM by Jim__
But, I don't think you can blame soldiers in battle. The real tragedy of war is that innocents get killed; and the killing of these innocents does have a bad affect on the soldiers. In my experience, veterans of war are some of the most reluctant to go to war. That's what makes chicken-hawks so dangerous. Their inexperience leads to a childish bravado ("bring 'em on").

The best thing we can do is vote these idiots out in November.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 09:43 PM
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18. agreed Jim.... and
welcome to DU ..... :toast:
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Kanary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 10:01 PM
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21. Hi Jim!
Welcome to DU!

:hi: :hi: :hi:

:toast:

Kanary
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maggrwaggr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 10:54 PM
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22. yes, I feel absolutely horrible for the soldiers
they are caught in the middle as much as anyone.

I can't even imagine how angry most of them are going to be, if they aren't already.

Hey, the whole reason you went to Iraq? Well, it didn't exist.

Sorry!


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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 12:15 AM
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35. What about the Iraqis??
I have just returned from a meeting where some people have just returned from Iraq. It was mind-numbing, heart rendering and sobering to say the least.

Lets change gears, take the focus off the troops for a minute, and look at what the Iraqis are undergoing.

How about midnight raids (actually 2:00 in the morning), no electricity, no sewage, no trash pick-ups, NO LIBERATION.

Iraqis say they dont recognize their country anymore, one Iraqi called his country one giant "bazaar", meaning of course its all up for sale now. Almost all the children suffer from Post Tramatic Stress Syndrome and are resorting to violence upon each other (and probably to animals as well) as a means to relieve their own anxiety and overwhelming stress in feeling totally powerless and vulnerable.

The midnight raids? The midnight raids happen at 2:00 in the morning where they throw everyone out of a house and the troops scream at them to go into the middle of the street (they are Muslims mind you, this is a huge betrayal of their religious practice, very shaming), proceed to spray their house with machine gun fire, sometimes they bring in a cannon to blow right through the house and of course kill anyone that they claim to be a "threat".

All this terrible chaos, anarchy and just another form of tyranny is taking place and the Iraqis still manage essentially to be the lovely kind people that they are. They want us out of there.

Now think if this situation had happened to us. Think if another nation had invaded our country looted our museums, set up shop, sent our oil out to be harvested so our invaders could profit? Not a nice scenario is it?

What we are doing over there is nothing short of well, evil. What else do you call it? Liberation? What a fucking insult whoEVER dared utter that stupid phrase. This is what our Administration is allowing and created ultimately, all in the name of profit and oil.

Why are so many avoiding the truth? It will just continue to get worse if we ignore it. Could we be so arrogant to think that it wont come back to haunt us?

Yes, the troops are totally caught in the middle, I want to bring them all home from this invasion that has forever affected their own lives. However, there is abuse happening by some of our troops that looks court martial worthy, probably much of it is due to the overwhelming stress and powerlessness they feel. The whole situation is heart breaking and enraging frankly.

Its time to impeach this Administration. Its overtime.

I am ashamed of our country right now. I hope there is a day that I wont be anymore.

We have been lied to and lied to again, and so many Americans have bought our actions because its EASIER than questioning the truth.

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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 12:20 AM
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36. And now it's becoming clear
that Saddam was basically defenseless from Schlock & Auuuuugh. All those people are dead and there was nothing they could do about it. Sickening, really.
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maggrwaggr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 12:24 AM
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37. I agree, but the soldiers are caught in the middle
they're getting it from both sides.

Shot at by the Iraqi insurgents, being stuck there against their will by George Fucking Bush. Trying to do their job, but their job is wrong. Powerless to do anything about it. Having to live with the fact that they're killing children and innocent civilians. Watching their friends die. Having their own faces and limbs blown off.

The Iraqis have it pretty fucking bad, but the soldiers should NOT be there. That's what I thought watching it, these guys just should NOT be there at all.
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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 01:36 AM
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40. Yes they are. They are being used by a system that abuses.
Im in a funk tonight because of the reality that was shown to me, not by 60 minutes, which I would like to see, but by some other people that viewed the same country and realities.

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ewagner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 01:08 AM
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39. I agree
Can't blame the soldiers. They are in a living hell over there and don't know who to trust.

The real obscenity is the war itself. Maybe reporting like this will allow Americans to see that war is a dirty, ugly business and not a sport that you cheer for like a football game.

I feel bad for the families of the Iraqi killed and wounded and I feel sorry for all our young kids over there who are living through this nightmare 24/7.

btw: welcome to DU :toast:
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 09:43 PM
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19. and her husband...
...is Clark's foreign policy adviser. James Rubin.
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jean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 12:07 AM
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33. Bravo grasswire - I was about to mention James Rubin and Gen Clark!
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maggrwaggr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 09:59 PM
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20. My God. I just saw it. Holy shit
Edited on Sun Feb-08-04 10:51 PM by maggrwaggr
That was so powerful.

I wasn't sure if I wanted to cry or throw up.

It's shocking how much we're not being told on a daily basis.

This proves how the media has so completely let us down.

May the truth be revealed and God bless Christianne Amanpour.
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Gin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 11:02 PM
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23. I can't believe they were going to send that soldier whose head and face
were so badly injured back to Iraq...He looked so awful..and it looked like such a painfull injury..what hell it must be over there.
Then they find out it was for different reasons than they were told. Wonder how the soldiers who lost limbs feel about that...and how the families of the dead feel.
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 11:20 PM
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25. They will use every "body" that moves to send back
thats why when my stepson said "only a year" I knew I wouldnt see him for longer then that. When he stood in the driveway after Christmas, he looked at us and cried.
Hes just a kid for christs sake.
God, bring our kids home, and may bU$h and his cronies rot in hell for eternity.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 11:24 PM
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26. Yes, I saw it twice.
I wish we could get her to ask Shrub the right questions.
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maggrwaggr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 11:47 PM
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28. Wow. Christianne interviewing Shrub, what a concept
his head would explode.

Too bad it will remain only a fantasy.
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AtTheEndOfTheDay Donating Member (454 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 11:46 PM
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27. I was astounded!
This is what war news is supposed to look like. We haven't seen it in years but now I remember. During Vietnam it was like this every night of my childhood. It's about time this corporate media showed the murderous results of Bush's madness.
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maggrwaggr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 11:48 PM
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29. it's such a shame that the truth can shock us like this
we are all astounded that we saw a little bit of truth today.

When we supposedly have this "free press".

Very sad.
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 11:52 PM
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30. Its LONG overdue that the wounded and caskets are shown
Edited on Sun Feb-08-04 11:53 PM by Mari333
On nightly news..this was a first..and should set a precedent IF the bU$h cheerleaders and corporate media whores have any balls...

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jean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 12:10 AM
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34. can we have a list of all the humvee maimings and deathes?
I'd like to see that growing figure on the billboards across America.

These idiot people who drive humvees in their daily lives must not remember all the blood spilled and splattered by soldiers in humvees in Iraq.
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Taeger Donating Member (914 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 12:04 AM
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32. As much as people bitch about CBS ...

CBS news seems like the only one that hasn't COMPLETELY caved.

60 Minutes still seems to be muckraking as usual. Way to go CBS.
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RapidCreek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 12:46 AM
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38. I was sort of surprised when Debra Norvill aired her piece as well
Wonders never cease.

RC
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emc Donating Member (223 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 01:39 AM
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41. The press hasn't said anything about the one before
I read one last week, don't know quite when it happened ---where a mother and two children were taking a taxi to Bagdad. The taxi driver passed an army convoy after he was waved to pass by the last vehicle in the column and then the lead truck opened up on them with a 50 caliber machine gun as they approached the front of the column---the mother and two kids were killed---The taxi went into the ditch and there it laid until some one came along later and found the driver still alive---the troops didn't even stop---
And there hasn't been any accounting for it or anything yet---the soldier that shot them down never reported it---I read last week that they are just starting to look into it----this is just another of many cases that are starting to come out----and Smirk has the balls to say that they like us-----he has his head up is ass...
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Snappy Donating Member (322 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 02:13 AM
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42. Liberated.
If the military left Iraq they wouldn't be getting attacked in Iraq would they? Since Iraq has been liberated why are the US Military and it's allies still there?
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Nlighten1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 06:43 AM
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43. Wonk?
PM me if you have this please.

TIA
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