Are DU'ers being watched?

[The Sushi Bandit]

By the Department of Homeland Security??
on what we say??

[trumad]

1. I hope they're not watching me now...

I'm sitting here in my jock strap with a cold one!

[lastknowngood]

7. I hope the cold one is a

beer.

[Cannikin]

43. lol

[ixion]

2. if they are truly monitoring internet activity

you bet we are. Every time you post a reply, that reply is sent in unencrypted packets. Anyone who knows how to pick them up can monitor everything that goes in and out of your IP address.

[reprehensor]

3. Absolutely.

Beats working.

[thebaghwan]

4. Hi! John, how the fuck are you?? Asshole!

[Faygo Kid]

5. Maybe. Definitely in a second Bush term.

Another reason not to sit this one out.

[BS Detector]

6. I presume so.

There used to be a great song by Si Kahn that went on and on about "I wonder who's watching the man who's whatching the man who's watching the man who's watching the man who's watching me".

That was then, this is now - same drill!

[arcane1]

8. I act on the assumption that yes, they are watching..

it's the only way to live in this society we have built.

Now, that doesn't mean I hold anything back, not even a little bit :evilgrin:

[Gato Moteado]

9. they probably read it all and laugh....

...most people in the intelligence community, i imagine, are not at all happy with boosholini. all he does is blame them for his incompetence. it won't be long until they are sick of taking the fall for an illegitimate chimpanzee.

i wouldn't be surprised if there are dhs people that post here.

[fleetus]

34. I like your point.

I'd be pissed too if I was a spook and I had those a-holes complaining about cooked intelligence when they placed the f*$&ing order!

I think it's a funny image to find them reporting Internet activity to Bush or Ashcroft saying, "Well, we've been scouring the Internet and it turns out that a bunch of people think you guys are complete a**holes!" I also envision it as part of a written report they deliver to him on a silver platter.

[blondeatlast]

71. Amen--spooks, I don't blame you.

I blame the asshole in chief. If you're watching:

:toast:

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

79. Busholini.

That's. Just. Perfect. :yourock:

[rumguy]

10. I seriously doubt it, in fact I would bet all I have that they aren't

I mean, there are more important things to do...it would be a total waste of time and a potential scandal if it ever came out that they were wasting taxpayer money on watching us

[RapidCreek]

66. I don't doubt it at all

It came out we had an FBI "student" in one of our polysci classes at the University of Illinois at Chicago back in the 80's. It came out because he to impress his way into the pants of a fellow student with his employment credentials. Two days after word got out and we never saw him on campus again.

RC

[BigDaddyLove]

11. I doubt it.........

I'm sure they have better things to do than to count the number of Bush=Hitler threads there are.

Besides, Rush would dutifully report anything he felt was too subversive.

[salinen]

12. Probably not,

but just in case, "kiss my freedom loving cheeks you overpaid, underdeveloped poor excuse for a real human."

[hang a left]

14. Then what are they planning to do with these?

U.S. CONCENTRATION CAMPS

FEMA AND THE REX 84 PROGRAM



(For further information, see pages 135 – 145 in Jim Marrs’ book The War On Freedom)



There over 600 prison camps in the United States, all fully operational and ready to receive prisoners. They are all staffed and even surrounded by full-time guards, but they are all empty. These camps are to be operated by FEMA (Federal Emergency Management Agency) should Martial Law need to be implemented in the United States.


http://www.jimmarrs.com/news/012104.html

[BigDaddyLove]

31. I don't know, but I'd need more than a link from a book by......

Jim Marrs to convince me that they exist, let alone are 'fully operational and ready to receive prisoners.....should Martial Law need to be implememented..."

[Jackpine Radical]

45. Knowing Marrs,

he probably meant to say "Martian law," not "Martial law."

[WoodrowFan]

73. Isn't this just more rw??

Isn't this whole "concentration camp" crap just more RW crap? Arn't these camps supposedly run by the UN? And I heard that Clinton planned to use them to jail Christians!


Marrs needs help from a mental health care professional in the worst way!

[hang a left]

77. There is alot more out there than just Marrs folks

http://www.c0balt.com/egg/insane.shtml
snip>
http://www.adtdl.army.mil/cgi-bin/atdl.dll/fm/3-19.40/ch1.htm#part1

http://www.adtdl.army.mil/cgi-bin/atdl.dll/fm/3-19.40/toc.htm

http://www.newswatchmagazine.org/UNpolice/nato.php3

snip>
Congress of the United States

March 24, 1997

"Enclosed is the information you requested pertaining to the Army's policy and guidance for establishing civilian inmate labor programs and civilian prison camps on Army installations. This information has not yet been published (it is currently at the printers), however, it has been funded, staffed, and does reflect current Army policy."

-- Bill Hefner
Member of Congress
Congress of the United States

http://www.greaterthings.com/News/Concentration_Camps/index.html

http://www.gold-eagle.com/gold_digest_01/droke061801.html
snip>

"I have been researching in Germany for 5 months now, and everything indicates rapid training of our troops to work side by side with cooperating foreign troops for the coming conquest of America under martial law. As I read the European edition of STARS AND STRIPES almost daily, numerous military publications plus European news journals and newspapers, and interviewing actual military here, I am coming to realize the extent that the American people have been deceived and betrayed into the hands of the New World Order by her very own government and military!

"One military publication shared about a major operation involving three branches of the US military in which they were learning to work intensely together in a contingency exercise. contingency means martial law.

"Here in Europe, Americans are being rapidly trained through the Balkan crisis to work side by side with Russians, Germans and other foreign troops all under the UN blue and NATO. They are being trained in various exercises as: weapons seizures, intimidating resisters to surrender and lay down their weapons, how to operate prisoner detention camps holding resisters of this UN MNTF "peacekeeping" effort complete with guard towers, and more. Jane's defense magazine has published pictures of German Bundeswehr (military) looking over large caches of weapons seized from "insurgents, militants, etc.," all in this obvious training exercise in the Balkans designed to prepared American and foreign troops for the hour of martial law in America.

[blondeatlast]

72. Heh, heh. So true! nt

[radwriter0555]

13. I HOPE so. they need to know the truth about their idiot in chief...

this is a great forum for them to learn what real Americans think about the corruption and crime in the white house.

[Misinformed01]

24. That is what I was thinking

I hope like hell they are reading DU; I suppose there are many computer jobs in the Government that can be outsourced to India...so, I hope this help learn to vote in their best interest.

[Cleita]

15. Everything we do is being tracked by somebody.

It won't affect you though until someone starts a witch hunt and you might fall into it if you are important enough and serious enough of a threat.

[rumguy]

18. I don't know if that's true, yet

If Poindexter had got his TIA computer up and running, then yes, we would have all been watched....

[Bronco69]

16. I hope so!

And I hope they are especially monitoring me. I would be more than willing to go to prison in defense of my country and it just pisses me off when I see what the wingnuts are doing to it.

[HEyHEY]

17. I'll let ya know if I ever get hassled entering the USA

[MsUnderstood]

19. Of course not. . .

Now speak more clearly into your computer microphones and make sure to run the spell check. We don't want to waste government money checking your mistakes for you *innoncent smile*

[JohnyCanuck]

25. Me too

I was wondering what would happen next time I tried to cross the border. Not that I have any overwhelming desire to go for a visit right now. But after all, I've called the Chimp an asshole and made pointed comments about his lack of intelligence, and also dissed Obergrupenfuhrer Ashcroft in similar terms. Would that be enough to make me too dangerous a subversive element to allow into the land of the free and the home of the brave, or does that perhaps make me a candidate for a debriefing at Gitmo? Although I am not a native born Canadian, at least my country of origin does not make it a practice to indulge in torture, so I am assuming I won't run the risk of being shipped off to some 3rd world hellhole to have the soles of my feet beaten with bamboo rods and/or my fingernails pulled out until I tell my interrogators what the Department of Homeland Security wants to hear.

[John BigBootay]

20. Hell yeah--

I've got a little tiny microchip implanted in my neck by Bushco-- wait, no it's the greys-- I'm sorry it's the FREEMASON'S. That's it. Sorry. Nevermind.

[CHIMO]

21. Do Birds Fly

Do some searching on "carnivore" or "eschelon.

And if it can not be done in one location then just bounce traffic through another.


http://stopcarnivore.org/carnrelease.htm

[gold_bug]

68. misspelled echelon -

here's a website: http://www.echelonwatch.org/

[citizen snips]

22. I would not be surprised.

So bring it on.

[HFishbine]

23. Carnivore

Watched? Probably not. Monitored? Could be.

http://stopcarnivore.org/

[wuushew]

26. Lets see if this message gets by the TIA or DU moderators

On Febuary (__) I plan on (_____) President George W. Bush (______) while is is making a planned stop in (_________). I do this for the love of my country and in the interests of world peace. My actions should not be construed as advocating (____________). It is for the greater good.


(___________);

(______) (________).

[HFishbine]

27. That's a clean message

In order to draw attention to yourself, you would have to use several keywords together. Words like, kill, president, bomb, white house, shoot, assassinate, Cheney, anthrax, Bush -- stuff like that.

[The Sushi Bandit]

32. How bout words like...

condom, fetus, sex, & Janet Jackson?

[fleetus]

35. Dude, you're screwed now. (n/t)

[davekriss]

40. LOL LOL LOL

You made my day, HFishbine! :)

[alittlelark]

41. Uh, like the ones you just strung together?

Just wondering?

[Buns_of_Fire]

61. Ooooh! Mad Libs!

Let's see... "A number between 1 and 28...", "An action verb ending in '-ing'...", "An adverb...", "A city...", "An activity..."

Mad Libs (DHS Edition) -- sold at all Stuckey's and the Duty-Free Shops in Baghdad and Gitmo!

[youngred]

28. If you can see the Washington Monument

it can see you. Homeland Security has put super-strong cameras in the observation window's of the Washington Monument strong enough to read documents on capitol hill (several miles away). I'm almost always being watched, if not directly.

I'm sure its monitored, and we could all be declared enemy combatants and made subject to the whims of the PATRIOT Act if they wanted.

[JohnKleeb]

64. Is Camp Gitmo Co-ed Zack?

I hope so because :shrug:, well girls man :).

[MrSlayer]

29. I hope so, My middle finger is up.

Scumbags.

[NeoConsSuck]

30. They can watch all they want..

I wrote a nasty letter to my local fbi office when they investigated Women In Black right after 911 occurred. If they were investigating domestic terrorism, they should look inward. Funny, a week after that, I started getting phone calls from this woman asking to speak to my mother, next night my sister, and both live hundreds of miles away. Coincidence? Maybe.

I write nasty and sarcastic emails to [email protected] when Johnny Boy comes out with a winner.

As one poster noted, I think now it is not an issue. Give the chimp another term, and I think things could change for the worse.

[Hekate]

33. Of course. Does a bear poop in the woods?

Internet's a window of opportunity for free communication that will close if this regime stays in power. And by "this regime" I mean the RW-dominated three branches of government, plus the corporate-owned "news" media. :mad:

About 30 years ago I read about a guy who knew the FBI was tapping his phone, so the first caller of each day was greeted by him with, "Good morning. F*** J. Edgar Hoover." :evilgrin:

Hekate

"But why should we hear about body bags and deaths and how many,
what day it's going to happen, and how many this or what do you
suppose? Oh, I mean, it's not relevant. So why should I waste my
beautiful mind on something like that?" ~Barbara Bush

"I guess the 'nation's grandma' isn't the grandma of those her son sends into harm's way." ~Hekate

ARLINGTON WEST, SANTA BARBARA CALIF.
http://www.veteransforpeace.org/Default.htm
click on the large photo of AW to go here:
http://www.veteransforpeace.org/Arlington_west_121003.htm
Scroll down the page for all the photos...

[methinks2]

36. Of course we are

By the way Why are so many threads being locked tonight?

[bobthedrummer]

37. I'd say DU qualifies as an open source of intelligence

and many members are more than likely to have been monitored at some point in their political life.
:hi: to all the spooks here.

[Wapsie B]

38. It's not paranoia

if they really ARE out to get you.

[Piperay]

39. I wouldn't assume

anything one way or the other. :shrug:

[watercolors]

42. I sure hope so

They need an eye opener on how angry we all are, and what we think of the *!!

[onethatcares]

49. they don't care about how angry we are

they want names/addresses, and they probly have them. But fuck em, in for a penny, in for a pound. Our country is supposed to be better than that, if it's not, it's time for us to change it. Bout time.

[truthspeaker]

44. DHS: I am not a terrorist and I do not support terrorism!!!!

I only buy American-grown weed!

[CrownPrinceBandar]

46. Woo Hooo!!!

he said weed. Hear that Ashcroft! Weed!

[Eroshan]

47. I sincerely hope so

maybe they will get a clue if they read enough.

[Serenity-NOW]

48. Here's a bit of the scoop gang, I have a bit of real info

I import top end computer gear and distribute it. One of my clients got a gig to build tons, literally, of dual proc computers to be used for clustered environments and manipulate unprecedented large databases (multi-petabyte size). Hmmmmm why might that be?

Since it makes no difference to them where they buy these parts I console myself with the thought that at least I employ US citizens with the money and donate to Dem candidates. I don't know about my clients however.

NSA already has for years had a buried room full of crays the size of a football field, wonder why... my understanding is that they were once cabable of filtering all electronic communications. But then the Internet got popular and they got outsized.

Get real, this has been going on for a long while and it is increasing at an astonishing pace.

[Sugarbleus]

53. Yes, we are watched..

more closely than ever before. Just read a piece about one of the anti-globalist passionate patriots who got arrested for participating in the WTO (Seattle)and the NYC protests. Got all his compter website stuff yanked, and was run through the wringer with the feds.

Anyone questioning their government anywhere they can "see" you doing it, WILL BE WATCHED (especially, protestors in public)...no question about it.
Peace in our Time

[gatlingforme]

81. That is the truth and Bush is perpetuating this to infinity

[Hell Hath No Fury]

50. I would think so...

There are several reports out there about the recent infiltration of peace groups by various law enforcement agents -- the kind of shit they used to do during the 60s, and that some will say has never really stopped.

Civil rights groups have also begun to take notice and lodge protests.

Considering how much anti-war activism is featured here, I would be seriously surprised if the site ISN'T monitored.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

51. I wouldn't be surprised

:hi: to the FBI, NSA, and CIA.

[cryofan]

52. you gonna bogart that thing all night, or are you gonna pass it around?

Ah, well, I wouldn't rule it out. But I doubt it.....

[liberal72]

54. No, but ....

hey what is John Ashcroft and Tom Ridge doing outside my window?

[bonemachine]

56. I'm sure you guys are being watched on here

I post over on www.beliefnet.com, and we've already had a member get a visit because of his comments.

[PVnRT]

55. Everyone on the internet is

It's called the NSA - check out something called CARNIVORE.

Thankfully, they have made so many personnel cuts in recent years that it's unlikely they have anyone actively monitoring us.

[Mari333]

57. Let them watch me..Im an old woman

and I have the best lawyer on earth.
and Im a military family with a kid going to Iraq.
I am the worst nightmare of the *bUsh administration.
A Mom.

[Sugarbleus]

67. Hi Mari...I had another thought on this..

If shrubya is in such deep do do now, the "watching" may be a lesser problem soon. When he is kicked out on his keester, we can hope that the Patriot Act(Spies) will start to back down anyway...
**sigh of relief** LOL

[gatlingforme]

58. only worry if you are ever going to run for office someday.--lol

[rasputin1952]

59. Of course we are being 'watched'...

it does not take a PhD to see that we are considered a threat. Many other sites are being taken in as well. In fact, ALL of electronic information is being taken in.

We here at DU are a disgruntled group, no big deal. We are not a 'threat', as per overthrowing the gov't by violent means. There are far more sinister groups out there, most of them of 'ultra-right wing'
persuasion.

I've been here a long time. I hate bush, I want bush out of office, maybe even banished from the country...but I don't want him assassinated. I want him out legally, ethically and Constitutionally.
The vast majority of DU'ers are of the same mind. We don't like the bum, we just want to get rid of him and his band of thugs.

There are far larger fish out there that pose more of a threat than we do.

I'll still call this admin a bunch of ignorant assholes that are destroying our nation, and if the SS comes to my door, I'll let them in. I have nothing to hide; I am, a patriot! I want OUR country back, if it costs me my freedom to ensure the freedom of the rest of the country, so be it. Sometimes, sacrifice is well worth the price.

O8)

[catmandu57]

70. I feel the same way Rasputin

We are a long way from mainstream here, but all we do is exercise our constitutional right of free and open speech. We don't plan or advocate physical violence, expressing a desire to return one's country to a free state is not a criminal offense, not yet anyway.

About the only thing the govt. could do here is be educated, which it should be already.
If they really are concerned about the members of our society, I'd think they would be more concerned about those who like to blow stuff up and spread poison.

[Paranoid_Portlander]

60. A big sloppy wet kiss...

... to all the federal agents lurking on this thread.

[nolabels]

63. One could only hope for lurkers like that

Maybe they would get bitten by one of those crazy wonder why and ask a lot of questions kind of bugs.

[imax2268]

62. HI GUYS...!!!

:hi:

how's it hanging Asscroft...?

[Gemini Cat]

65. To what end?

There's nothing even remotely dangerous going on here, unless participating in a time honoured democratic process gives their collectively skivvies a nasty twist!

In other words, damn right they watch.

(edited for clarity)
:dem:

[bvar22]

69. Can't watch what they can't see...

[rman]

74. well they have this huge anti-terrorism database

It only works if they enter as much information about as many people as possible, otherwise they could not have it do its automatic analysis to try and fid possible terrorism related activities - including domstic terrorism. And we know how the GOPers think something like being critical of Bush is equivalent to helping the enemy.
Does anyone think they are in fact not using that system?

[CaptainClark23]

75. We're ALL Spooks

In effect, aren't we? We gather information, analyse information, and share information amongst our peers. Our goal is figuring out what "the other side" is up to, and how to prevent or deflect it.

A surface observation might suggest that our resources for intelligence gathering is inferior, but I wouldn't bet the farm on it, since we have such a broad cross-section of almost anonymous sources.

Of course, like any intelligence gathering body, we are prone to infiltration and disinformation ops.

If activity on DU is NOT monitored in some regard, someone isn't doing their job.

If I were them, I'd watch us, wouldn't you?

[bobthedrummer]

80. In that context, we have superior HUMINT

no doubt.

[Wendigo]

76. Just the question I posted

in this thread.

Education Commission of the States...what is it exactly?

[redqueen]

78. IF YOU TAKE THIS LIGHTLY

Please please please read posts #77 and #48.