Daddy Matcom Weighs In On The Kay Report

[matcom]

Dad is PISSED.

PERIOD.

Says he would be SHOCKED if the Agency didn't either OVERTLY or COVERTLY let out what they know (and he thinks they know a LOT)

Dad watched the dog and pony show. Said he was INFURIATED the further it went on.

"The administration got to Kay", dad says.

"THAT is the ONLY explanation. No other possible conclusion. IT IS A DISGRACE!"

Dad mentioned Blair and that this is all "DAMNED TOO CONVENIENT."

oooooooooo he is PISSED! he thinks that there are committees RIGHT NOW within the Intelligence Community "plotting" (his words) on their next move. he says they will NOT take this lying down.

stay tuned brothers and sisters..... THE SHIT IS COMING!!!!

[BeatleBoot]

1. We went to WAR

and everyone made a mistake about the intelligence - EVERYONE?

Do they think we are all brain dead?

[rumguy]

2. Is daddy matcom literally your dad?

[matcom]

3. for my last 34 years

[Renew Deal]

33. How old are you?

:)

[Stephanie]

36. I'll guess

34

[ewagner]

4. Thank You Matcom (and Dad Matcom too)

Ever since Kay started to spin this story last week I wondered what Dad Matcom would think.

[BeHereNow]

5. (((HUGS))) to DADDY MATCOM

Matcom,
Please give your dad a big hug from me!
I love hearing his take on things.
He sounds like a really great dad.
I have a wonderful dad too-
What a blessing, eh?
BHN

[matcom]

13. i wouldn't say he was always a "Great Dad"

but we have a mutual respect now and i have converted him (at least politically)

i won't see him for a few months but will remember to give him a hug for you when i do

[buycitgo]

6. NO NO NO NO NO NO!

Kay is PART of it!

they didn't have to lean on him one single bit

they put him in place to do exactly what he did!!!!

wait a minute, and I'll find the links I posted earlier on this

remember.....Kay is PART of it.

he's made a TON of money on this crap, as a VP of SAIC, before he "retired" to a wingnut thinktank long enough for it not to be considered a conflict of interest to head the ISG, or whatever it's called

[matcom]

10. yes and no

remember, even TWO WEEKS ago, he was singing a different tune!

Dad has been following this VERY CLOSELY and knows Kay. he knows the history

Kay was gonna spill the beans. Kay was gonna tell all (remember Cheney pressuring the CIA?)

yes, Kay may make a fortune but Kay was NOT supposed to roll over like this.

First thing out of Dad's mouth when i picked up the phone, "THEY GOT TO HIM."

[Stephanie]

18. What do you think they did to him?

How do the BushCO thugs threaten people? Why is everyone so afraid of them?

[buycitgo]

19. that may be, but I don't recall him ever giving any indication of this:

going against ANYthing spouted by the junta about WMDs

he always gave himself wiggle room, always intimating that there could be something out there.

not meaning to be disagreeable, but do you have any specifics on how exactly he was giving signals of blowing the whistle

I just don't buy it.

thx

did you see the link below, btw?

he's just TOO inside to go against the grain at this point

[Generic Other]

35. "Remember Cheney pressuring the CIA?"

Yes.

I would think the CIA is getting mighty tired of being the Bush whipping boy.

Seems like Bush would try and keep this organization happy. They make better friends than enemies. The Intelligence community must love being the underlings of dunces!

[buycitgo]

11. start here, for example, for Kay's complicity

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=1062573&mesg_id=1062836&page=

When the president needed someone to hawk his "Iraq's weapons of mass destruction are an imminent threat to homeland security" thesis to the American people, David Kay was the man. During the run-up to the invasion of Iraq, Kay was a ubiquitous presence on the cable news networks, backing the president's assertions. He testified before Congressional committees and had op-ed pieces published in several mainstream dailies. Although his pre-war predictions about the existence of WMD now appear less reliable than the clairvoyance of Johnny Carson's Karnac the Magnificent, the Bush Administration is counting on Kay, now the head of the WMD search team in Iraq, to bring home the bacon.
...........
Kay has had dealings with the CIA before. According to a late June Worldnet.com column {hahaha! my ha's} by Gordon Prather, a physicist who was the army's chief scientist during the Reagan years, Kay was fired from his position as deputy director of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) Iraq Action Team in the early 1990s because of his contacts with the U.S. intelligence community.

there's a bunch of other stuff on that thread.....this is what is not so good about DU.....thread generation/keeping track thereof is a serious problem.....there should be ONE thread about David Kay, like at TT, or Atlantic Forum, or similar sites

[childslibrarian]

7. Hey Matcom

I was off from school today (snow) and watched David Kay. I thought he sold the intelligence community down the river. I am GLAD to see that they noticed... With friends like that,who needs enemies?

[SoCalDem]

8. The Leprechaun theory

..."So.....Then it's POSSIBLE that leprechauns.........."

Edited on Wed Jan-28-04 09:35 AM by SoCalDem
were in charge or could have been in charge of, if they existed,(and some may feel that they do not) the plans for the programs of the possible preliminary investigatory exercise , where they would have or could have used or tried to use, or planned to use or planned to investigate the use or the investigation of the plan to use, the analysis of the possibility of the fact that they had or might not have had, or the fact that they may have buried or may not have buried or had plans under investigation to bury the study that may have dictated the investigation or study of the plans for the programs that would support the possibility of the study.. Isn't that right, Dr Kay??

[joanski01]

21. That sounds just like an

unknown that we don't know that we don't know.

[wryter2000]

9. Interesting

Keep us updated (as much as you can).

[havocmom]

12. thanks for the report, MATCOM

Give your dad a big hug from all us evilDUers.

It is infuriating beyond words that those self serving, greedy, souless bastards are so willing to shit on those in the national employ who put it on the line for little pay but a true and honorable sense of duty to country. They have made many of us agnostics believe that pure evil exists.

Am hoping more and more judges start joining the fight to take back this country from the mob that is running it into the gutter too.

[Hubert Flottz]

14. Kay was Busco's "Made Man" when he went to Iraq!

Bushco has pulled his strings all the way down the line! The slimeball Repubs in the hearing asking Kay one leading question after another and it was all a total crock of shit! Kay is a good liar or Bush would never have used him to start with!

Anyone who expected Kay to out Bushco was dreaming! I trust Kay about as far as I do Dick Cheney or Paul Bremmer! It's up to our guys to keep a fire built under Bush's ass, because not one single Republican in Washington is serving their country at this point! The Rat Repubs in congress are every one just as bad as Bush!

[MuseRider]

23. You are so right about this

"because not one single Republican in Washington is serving their country at this point! The Rat Repubs in congress are every one just as bad as Bush!" Is is disgusting and very dangerous.

[htuttle]

24. Of mobs and rackets

One thing about becoming a Made Man. You don't get to be one unless the family has something on you, to ensure your loyalty. You might say, they 'take your measure', and keep it on a box in case you turn on them.

That being said, I don't think Kay was purposely trying to out the Bush Syndicate. I think he pulled a Fredo and said something stupid -- thinking all the while he was HELPING the Bush Family.

[Hubert Flottz]

32. The Gawd Pubby would take him on a ride he can't refuse!

He'd better be mister friggin' Limpett if he crosses Don-Bushco, cause he'll be wearing the world famous concrete overshoes!(One Size Fits All)

[Greyskye]

15. Background question

I gather that Daddy Matcom has some sort of background which makes his views pertinent/interesting. Mind sharing what that is for those of us behind the curve? Thanks! :toast:

[matcom]

17. ME Intelligence

33 years

[rumguy]

22. ME = Middle East?

just want to be sure....

[MuseRider]

16. Thanks Matcom

I am always very interested in your dad's take on these things. It does not seem like a very smart move to piss off the intellegence committees. Yes, Kay rolled and from what little I saw he did not look happy about it.

[buycitgo]

26. Interesting take.....I saw a lot of it, and he look perfectly equanimous

except when certain dems (Levin) were questioning him

Like others here, I'm not buying the idea that he was going to roll

there's TOO much in his background as a Reagan/Bush/SAIC/Bush operative for me to swallow any second thoughts on his part.

it's been his LIFE, and he's proven to be unethical in the past

[MuseRider]

27. I missed all but

a tiny bit seen on the news. Interesting point from one who saw a lot of it.

[buycitgo]

30. check CSPAN; bet they rerun it

it SUCKED, mostly....senators were on a VERY short time constraint, and Byrd was conveniently at a quorum call......why weren't the OTHERS?????

why didn't they have the full committee there?

why was Kay NOT required to enter a statement....he did this off the top of his head

why did they do this so fricking QUICKLY?

one part I didn't catch, cause I muted most of the Pug Q&A (just can't take it) was Warner's apparent anger that anyone would DARE question the good graces of Bushco and sacred David

what a bunch of crap

[MuseRider]

34. Thanks

I hope to catch it. What is the deal these days with all the time constraints? I admit that although I have always cared I have never been this involved. Has it always been like this? Why is there always some kind of time constraint? From interviews on important issues to freaking WMD reports.

[OutlawCorporatePolls]

20. maybe kay was afraid of being "kelly-ied"

eom

[qanda]

37. I thought the same thing and it reminded me of the recent

backtracking of John O'Neill. There are some pretty powerful and obviously ruthless beings in this administration.

[JohnOneillsMemory]

45. You mean 'Paul' O'Neill. And he didn't backtrack. Only on the phrase

"blind leading the deaf." He said he regretted those actual words but not the meaning behind them. Former Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill hasn't backed down from his characterizations of W being detached and clueless at meetings. In fact, he's taken the time to repeat them.

[joanski01]

25. I surely believe Daddy Matcom

especially when I saw the happy, happy, excited party that Wolf Blitzer and David Kay were having on CNN. Oh, yes, Wolfie, you ask me the right questions and I'll give you the right answers. No pressure, absolutely no pressure was put on the Intelligence Community. HAH!!!!

[spanone]

28. Kay is shilling for his bush

Otherwise it makes no sense, this is an offensive move on Karl Roves part. He knows blame is gonna come. Americans do not like to make mistakes that destroy over 500 lives. This is serious business. Unless the CIA & FBI are so corrupt that their willing to take it on the chin there probably will be shit hitting the fan.

[DrWeird]

29. I don't get it.

Let's say WH got to Kay.

Why is he "spilling the beans"? Or is he holding something important back? What is the CIA overtly or covertly letting out?

What's so convenient?

Why is dad pissed?

I know you've got the secret agent gene, but can you be a little less Cloak and Dagger and a little more specific?

[buycitgo]

31. here here

my thoughts exactly

not buying the got to Kay bit, unless you caveat it with the inamorata that somebody else mentioned above

they KNOW what to expect if they tell tales out of the crypt.

is that why Kerry is, uhhhhh, scary?

[grasswire]

38. did you see Kay on Hardball?

Kay is not a frightened man. His mien is that of a happy man.

Now, we must ask ourselves why Bushco is not afraid of the career intelligence community. Seriously, deeply ask ourselves.

[alcuno]

39. Kay is not frightened. He was one of those pushing the war in the

first place. They appointed one of their own troops. Afraid? He's probably making big bucks off the Iraq thing.

[Karenina]

40. Errrraaaa....

His daddy???? :shrug:

[Imajika]

41. You've said something similar before...

...and nothing came of it.

I seem to recall when the Yellowcake-Niger and/or Plame stories broke you were saying something to the effect that the CIA was going to go after Bush and his administration.

I told you then that I didn't buy it. You said I should "bank it" or something along those lines.

Now fast forward several months later and I am hearing you say the same exact thing.

Now here is my guess and prediction. The CIA is NOT going to go after Bush. Some people in the CIA are probably pissed, while plenty of others see this as an opportunity for more funding to "improve" the intelligence deficiencies. The Republicans, in modern history, always have a willingness to spend vastly more on defense and intelligence. Meanwhile, the Democrats are percieved as more likely to slow the growth or make outright cuts in both.

The CIA is not going to lift a finger to attack or expose Bush. It just is not going to happen. At the end of the day, most CIA staff are going to support Bush over any Democratic candidate - save perhaps someone like Lieberman.

The fantasy that the CIA is going to plot against a Republican administration, one that has shown a willingness to break the bank to increase the intelligence communities funding, is just plain delusional.

Some things will surely leak from the CIA periodically that will be an irritant to the Bush administration, but some wholesale attempt by the CIA to bring down Bush is simply not going to happen no matter who told you it would.

Now, we have 10 months or so to see who is right. Hopefully, it is you that is correct, but I highly doubt it and suspect your posts on this subject are the product of wishful thinking more than anything else.

Imajika

[Hell Hath No Fury]

42. Yes, the CIA did start making a fuss...

after having the blame put on them after the Niger claims. It was AFTER that the CIA started leaking like a sieve, putting the blame on the WH steps. And I've never seen so many ex-agency folks out in public talking about Bush.

[Blue_Roses]

43. Somebody needs to take this bull

by the horns and do something with it, 'cause we now have 500+ soldiers dead at the cost of so-called "regime change"? Come on, not only does that tired excuse not hold water, but it's a slap in the face of all those soldiers who went before them actually defending this county for the right reasons.

Heard on the local news a guy from our town is MIA somewhere in the Tigress River. He has a new wife. I'm sickened that this has continued as long as it has and NO ONE is helping these guys out with some truth about their "commander-in-chief," who really is just a puppet to Dick Cheney.

When we will see justice and the truth.

[HootieMcBoob]

44. When McCain was Questioning Kay

He (Kay) was practially smiling. Just answering yes or no questions like: was it worth to have this war? Is the world a safer place? Would Saddam if her were in power today have WMD ambitions? It was disgraceful.

[RainDog]

46. It's easy to show some Kay bullshit

I had to restrain myself from throwing something at the tv screen when Kay said that Bush, not the CIA, was the "victim" --however he stated it.

this is a crock, and is easily provable.

for instance, I remember the picture in the New York Times...those four, I think it was, Generals all testifying about what a bad idea it was to invade Iraq...

The woman, Lt Col. Karen K. who wrote the two-parter for the American Conservative about Zinni being called a traitor by little pricks who never bothered to actually face combat, but are so willing to put others in harm's way to win a midterm and thus a majority (and the power to steamroll democracy flat across this nation.)

Zinni was called a traitor because he wouldn't kowtow to BUSH'S men who were cooking intel.

What about the well-documented "office of special plans," or Team B? This cannot be blamed on someone other than Bush, it would seem to me, when he was taking a page out of Poppy's playbook.

If someone wants to try to say that this Team B clone was done outside of Bushies knowledge is basically admitting that Bush is nothing but a prison bitch for Cheney.

So....is that what Kay was trying to say?

you know, I hate to say it, but this administration is so criminally corrupt and depraved, and the media is so totally co-opted, I think that the only way the CIA is going to be able to get the attention of the American public about the lies is to reveal a bombshell...

the Bush equivalent of Michael Jackson sensationalism.

how they can do that without committing a grave crime, though, is beyond me, unless, say, someone from the DEA "finds" and releases the video of George and Jeb loading cocaine for a party, video which supposedly exists.

[Oilwellian]

47. Let's not forget one thing...

David Kay DID admit in the hearing that an independent investigation was needed and that's exactly what the CIA wants to see happen. THAT is what will expose the Office Of Special Plans which I think is the crux of the problem. I can't wait to see how the Senate Intelligence Committee's report answers to the clandestine intelligence gathering by the OSP. If the Dems are still demanding an independent investigation, then that could possibly mean they know the OSP is being whitewashed in that report.

Most of the Kay hearing today involved OPINION...NOT cold hard facts. Suffice it to say, Kay agreeing that an independent investigation was needed did NOT please the Bush crime family one bit.

This isn't over by a long shot. The analytical division within the CIA has been compromised for the past few decades by neo-cons, and the thousands of deaths in Iraq is but one of many consequences since the neo-cons started manipulating intel for political gain. Ray McGovern, a senior career CIA analyst who began the group "Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity" is working to expose this dangerous game of manipulating intelligence, particularly when lives are being lost because of it. Google McGovern's name and you'll find a lot of material on what he's doing now.

I also highly recommend you read the article I posted yesterday, yet got very little attention due to the NH Primary posts. It's a virtual who's who (like Tenet) in today's game and gives great background information on why the CIA's in such a quandry today.

You can find the article here: http://www.consortiumnews.com/2003/102203.html

PS: Let's keep this thread bumped for the morning crowd. :kick:

[dmr]

48. Excellent article, thanks!

It explains many, many questions I have had over the years. Now, I'm going back to re-read it.

Thanks again, Oaf of Office.

[Oilwellian]

49. Twas my pleasure

I posted it yesterday and got just one reply. Everyone was in such a tizzy over the primary, it was bad timing on my part. It was interesting though...the person who replied and I can't recall who at the moment, said he had attended a speech by McGovern just yesterday and said pretty much the same thing Parry wrote about. It seems the analytical division within the CIA stood up to Bush and refused to go along with the lies behind this war, and it's an all out battle behind the scenes now. What I find most fascinating is Valerie Plame being a part of that analytical division. Makes you go hmmmm. :D

[radfringe]

50. beneath the lies

beneath the lies, the spin, the deceptions and 'misleading' statements is something even more disturbing

in the days following 9-11 the media lapdogs fawned over how bush* 'took charge', how presidential he was -- we are still being beaten over the head with those 'photo ops'

now we are into the primary season - the lapdogs are focused on which Democratic Candidate 'looks' the most presidential

it's NOT about 'looking' presidential - it's about being presidential

bush* may 'look' presidential in the photo ops - but his actions say something different

in the trials following WW-2, the 'excuse' of the day was "I was only following orders", for some on trial this may have worked, for others the passing of the blame did not work

what we have with bush* is a pattern of blaming others - he can't claim he was only following orders because he gives the orders - but he can blame others for bad information/advice from which he based his decisions

it comes down to this - a president MUST take responsibility for the screwups - a president is ultimately responsible for the actions and policies of a country. Countless dictators may not have personally killed thousands of people - but they are held responsible for those deaths and for the actions of those in their administration

Saddam may not have personally lobbed the WMDs at his own people - but bush* holds him responsible

Time for us to hold bush* responsible