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Jackson4Gore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 02:34 AM
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Gore may re-enter by late fall- The Hill
http://www.thehill.com/news/073003/gore.aspx

Backers pressure Gore to run again next year
By Alexander Bolton


<Snip>Former Vice-President Al Gore is coming under pressure from political supporters and friends to jump into the 2004 presidential campaign even though he ruled himself out in December.

Gore?s spokesperson denied that there was any change of plans, but a former Democratic National Committee official close to Gore told The Hill he believes the former vice president may enter the Democratic primary this fall.

A second Gore confidant, Steve Armistead, a local Tennessee government official, said: ?I think he?d like to grit his teeth and jump back in, but I can?t speak for him. I don?t think he liked the medicine he got from the Supreme Court.?

Armistead, a good friend of Gore?s for more than 40 years, said Gore has not indicated to him whether he would run. But he added: ?I?ve had a lot of people that know him real well tell me that he ought to get back in. I hear it daily. ?He got out too soon.? ?I wish Al never got out of the race.??<Snip>

Guys, I feel like this is for real like I have been saying for months now. I will continue to support Al in every way I can. Things like this are a sign that the tides are turning. We can return to the top with a person that we know and love! We can defeat the infidels! Keep the faith! God bless!
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 02:38 AM
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1. As much as I know in my heart he won in 2000,
I hope he does not jump back in.. We have a 9 ring circus now, and the donors available to the Democratic cnadidate are not as many as our opponents.. It would actually be kind of sad if he did come back, after all the others have worked so hard trying to raise money..

and what if he did NOT win the nomination?? That would be really embarrassing..

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Wonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 02:42 AM
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2. Broke my heart when he said he wasn't running in '04. If he changes his
Edited on Wed Jul-30-03 02:43 AM by Wonk
mind again you can COUNT on the "liberal" media smearing him for being indecisive, in addition to all the other bullshit they'd bring up yet again (invented the internet, Love Canal, etc.).
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Jackson4Gore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 02:48 AM
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4. Wonk, I think Bush's lies are bigger now
and can be pointed out. Our group (Grassroots Media Watch Group) has been handling alot of the negative media of Gore since his exile and have been doing well. Of course we are fairly small, but effective. But again, the country dont give a damn who created the internet, they can see who the real liar is now!
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bowens43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 04:38 AM
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29. Most of country believes bushes lies
or at very least they believe that he lied for the good of the country, and to many, he sits at the right hand of Jesus. bush is a far stronger candidate then he was in 2000, gore is a much weaker candidate. do the math, gore would lose.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 03:17 AM
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10. Mine too. He was saying all the “right stuff” before the war. :(
In fact, some argued that because he was being so forthright on TV shows that that was predicting that he wouldn't run.

I hope he does, though. He'd win. Bush* will not get reelected. A Democrat will win in 2004. The only person I might see above him is Hillary, because damn, that girl is hot. And we could use a female president.
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HFishbine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 05:19 PM
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80. Hot?
I think Mosely Braun is hot. Seriously.
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Jackson4Gore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 02:43 AM
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3. Come on man
There is no doubt he would win! Get real. Every one else would back out to support Gore, with the exception of Kerry or Dean. Gore can win and will if he comes back. Also not to worry about money, he has $7 million to start out with from the 2000 election he can use.

God please let this come true!
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Trajan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 03:05 AM
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8. I love Albert Gore .....
Im NOT SURE it would bode well if he suddenly reappeared in the Primary race ..... but I do know this ..

1) He is beloved by MOST democrats ....
2) He is considered 'centrist' and so would satisfy the DLC types who demand a moderate candidate is the ONLY option ... as well as become a valid choice for independents who have had enough of ole Georgie the Boy Prince and his antics ....
3) His progressive Bona Fides are real, and he CAN motivate the base: ESPECIALLY after the base has lived with George W. Asshole for 4 years .....
4) He has significant experience in International Affairs, and so COULD be viewed as a 'strong leader' after 911 .....

Today, as I mused over a newspaper eating dinner: ... I suddenly had a thought ..... a crazy thought:

Gore/Clark ..........

Wow ..... progressive, strong, forward looking, secure ....

I still await the day when we awake to the birds singing outside our windows, ... the sun breaking bright and cheerful on our window sills .....

THAT vision was STOLEN from us ........

I still dream of that ......
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Must_B_Free Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 03:37 AM
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18. 5) he is a southerner
also important for trust.
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 05:19 AM
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32. Gore/Clark would be a totally kick-ass ticket.
We can only dream. Gore ( :loveya:) is the only person I can see my beloved General Clark ( :loveya: ) at the bottom of the ticket with.
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ILeft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 08:18 AM
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50. "Gore/Clark in 2004" Just reading that gave me goosebumps!
Edited on Wed Jul-30-03 08:21 AM by ILeft
That's the ticket. It's to save the Republic, dammit!

edit: Talk about putting the grownups back in charge! This is the first time I've really seen what I consider a "dream ticket" for 2004.
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Perky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 09:03 AM
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57. Gore/Richardson?
Gore and Bill Richardson would win in Florida that may be all that is necessary

As would Gore Graham
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Zephyrbird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 09:48 AM
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70. oh baby!
Damn that would be a fine ticket indeed!

You know, I have been paying more attention to Dean and like what he says, although I disagree with some of his past actions.

But, as I think about Gore--you know, the public (except for the die-hard Bush and Repub supporters) now feels that Bush has lied directly to them, exagerrated, refused to take credit for faults and missteps....hmmm. Would they then remember how Gore was smeared by Republicans and think to themselves, "Were they lying about Al Gore too????"

I think that's a distinct possibility. Would they wonder to themselves, "hell, would we be in this mess if Al had been president??" I bet they would and would vote for him (the swing voters) simply because they would believe we would have been better off with Al Gore. I think this is one of the reasons the idiotic asswipes on the TV won't leave the Clintons alone. They think they can still use them to smear Al--they're afraid he's going to run.

Now, I like Dean because he's more liberal than Gore, but you know Gore is more liberal than Clinton was.

I think a Gore/Clark ticket would be unbeatable. I was hoping for a Dean/Graham ticket, but you know, I think what I said above would work in Gore's favor.
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bowens43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 04:36 AM
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28. Oh come on...
Gore would get his clock cleaned. He couldn't win decisively when he he had everything going for him and bush was an unknown. bush is a MUCH stronger candidate now and gore isn't.
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Gore1FL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 06:09 AM
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35. I don't think either premise is true
One need only look at the media coverage in 2000 to say that "he had everything going for him" is an overstatement.

Secondly, Bush isn't a stronger candidate, he gets weaker every day as illustrated by his re-elect numbers and his approval ratings (which have come of their historic highs and have returned to Sept 10 levels) This is especially significant given the war-time "gimmes" that thrust him over 90 and then bounced at the outset of the Iraq attacks. Bush being unknown was his strength, his exposure over the last 2-3 years is a weakness.

Now, that being said, I don;t know where I stand with Gore. He wasn't my first choice in the Dem primaries, and I'd like to see someone much more liberal.

To say he will lose, much less "get his clock cleaned" is at best speculation not supported by available polling trends.
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MODemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 05:24 PM
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85. Bush was unknown? He inherited the throne from his Father
I'm beginning to believe that people love the Bush's no matter how corrupt they are; it's not because they are such fabulous leaders.
Gore probably won't come back into the fray anyway, after the terrible treatment he received from his own party.
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WhoCountsTheVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 09:42 AM
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69. Gore/Gephardt, or better yet, Gore/Kucinich. At least Gore/Clark!
The big egos of the Democratic party can just calm down.
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lumpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 05:03 PM
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76. If he indicated a VP pick such as the other front Dem runners
he would have a helluva chance. A have a viable hunch the American people (as well as the other members of the world community) would welcome and are looking for someone who would bring back some modecum of sanity to this most important job. The guy is well known to be environmentaly concerned, has experience in foreign affairs, has intellect/ knowledgable/ politics, and for sure would clean out the felons and power hungry beasts that are running the Bush Show.
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Must_B_Free Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 03:09 AM
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9. I see it diffferently.
Gore is the clear leader if he throws his hat back in.

He has the name recognition. The people that smeared him are the same liars who led us to this disaster in Afgh, er Iraq...

After everything Gore said has been demonstrated to be true and everything Bush said a lie, I don;t think the old smearing will work anymore.

Noone could have predicted that Bush would make his career the very definition of "political disaster" - we knew he would be terrible, but his performance and the actions of the administration and the GOP has been downright treasonous.




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bowens43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 04:40 AM
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30. We know that bush is a disaster
but most americans don't see it that way. We need someone new. Gore has WAY too much baggage. The old smearing WILL work. Karl Rove has wet dreams about gore getting in the race.
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Drifter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 07:41 AM
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42. If he enters the race ...
I would like to believe that at least half would heed, and completely throw support behind him.

I would love to see him come back. If he even utters Lieberman's name as a running mate, forget it.

Cheers
Drifter
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lumpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 05:05 PM
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77. Embarrassing ?
Good God, we should be concerned with embarrasment ? No matter who runs on the Dem ticket, it will be a political 9 ring circus.
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farmboxer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 02:56 AM
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5. Reelect President Gore In 2004!
President Gore won in 2000 and he can win again, but we must not allow the Republican corporate right wing owned mainstream media to help with another coup! We must stop the Republican manufactured and programmed voting machines! President Gore is the best choice. Gore is a Vet, Bush is a deserter! www.awolbush.com
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Rocinante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 02:58 AM
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6. Howdy everybody
I been busy as hell and can't hang around for even a little while tonight but I say bring 'em on- the nay-sayers and the media whores. Al can pull it off just like he did last time only a helluva lot better.
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Jackson4Gore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 03:03 AM
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7. Talk about late night work!
I just published the news to our website: http://www.algoresupportcenter.com/

And posted it on our forums then sent out about 500-600 emails!

We will get the message out. I am sure alot of people will be trilled to read this when they check their email tommorrow! I am so glad that we may have a second chance to make things right! People like you are the folks that need to be commended. The heart of our movement starts with the small folk, such as us. As I said, dont lose hope, we can WIN!

Please all Gore supporters, come join us for Gore talk daily:
http://algoresupport.proboards19.com/index.cgi
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Sean Reynolds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 03:19 AM
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11. Nope - stay out Gore.
I just don't want him to run now. He's been out too long and I'm really liking Howard Dean too much. I'd take Dean over Gore, which I know wont be the popular choice here.

If Gore wants to run, he should try in 2008 if the Dems don't win. Pull a Nixon.
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WindRavenX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 03:22 AM
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12. Agreed
I love Gore, but timing is against him in this upcomming election. If he jumps in, it WILL be a media bloodbath, ala "Gore lied like Slick Willie did". It's sick, but it WILL happen and Gore WILL lose.
My heart breaks for Gore. He should've (he won!) been president, and he is a damn good man for the job.
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Jackson4Gore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 03:26 AM
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14. How could they say he lied
People can change their mind.
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WindRavenX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 03:31 AM
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15. They'll twist his words
They'll make it sound like his decision to not run in 2004 was a promise and that by re-entering the race he's breaking it. :eyes:
Seriously, don't put it besides to people at FAUX News to do it. They'll bitch and moan about it, and people will buy it :(
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Jackson4Gore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 03:34 AM
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16. Who cares
they can nit pick Al's little exaggerations and "lies" all they want to, but everyone will know Bush lied about the war. I would LOVE FOR BUSH TO BRING UP GORE AND THE INTERNET OR GORE CHANGING HIS MIND IN A DEBATE, he owuld get crushed.
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WindRavenX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 03:38 AM
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19. As much as I hate to admit it...
I don't think people would vote for Gore over Bush- lies/no lies. The Iraq scandal still hasn't hit people. People are still going to vote for Bush. Bush is almost bulletproof it seems, and throwing Gore against an incumbent Bush would result in failure, IMHO.
The media hates Gore too much. And the media plays too big a role to deny this. Gore isn't "marketable" it seems.
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Must_B_Free Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 03:42 AM
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20. Come on, WindRavenX
"If he jumps in, it WILL be a media bloodbath, ala "Gore lied like Slick Willie did"

This is a weak argument. There will be a media bloodbath no matter who runs.

The most they can say is "same old stuff" which happens to be the same old stuff that actually worked.

There's really no defense against Gore this time. Circumstances are totally different. Democrats felt like they owed Repukes a win for atonement for Bill's sin, anyway, but that's over now. 2004 is going to be all about America taking revenge against Bush.
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WindRavenX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 03:48 AM
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21. It IS a weak arguement, that's my point
Gore is a strong canidate that should suffer no backlash from whatever Clinton did. But people associate him with Clinton's sexual issues which voters did not like. That's why Gore wanted Clinton to stay away from his campaign in 2000- he didn't want the baggage of Monica gate to come back and bite him in the ass. And the media was fixated on Clinton's personal issues instead of all the great things he did during his 8 years as president.
Again,I'm not saying Gore is a bad canidate, because I adore Gore and would vote for him in a heatbeak, but he'd be a bad canidate to run against Bush. There's a lot of problems that he'd run into- the Election Fiasco of 2000 (and again, I stress that this upcomming campaign CANNOT focus on what happened in Florida- it must be about defeating Bush firstly. That will be our revenge for what happened in 2000).
I know, this is really negative (and I'm usually a really positive person!), but I just don't see Gore having a good chance at beating Bush in 2004...
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Must_B_Free Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 04:01 AM
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23. I don't know
Edited on Wed Jul-30-03 04:05 AM by Must_B_Free
I think you're talking crazy talk.

People love Bill Clinton. After Bush's lying to kill Americans and Iraqis for fun and profit, Bill's transgression seems like the piddly squirt it was. They would love to go back to those golden years, the gay 90s. They will elect Gore by a wider margin this time making it decisive. Bush has done nothing but stab every facet of his constitutency in the back, since day one. And THINK of the pocketbook effect. People still had jobs back when Gore was working for us.
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Zephyrbird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 09:59 AM
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71. EXACTLY!!!!!!!
"There will be a media bloodbath no matter who runs."

Exactly!!!!!!!!!!! That bloodletting is already starting. Right now it's that they have so many targets that the trashing seems spread out. We narrow the field down to one, and they're going to start that damnable concentrated smear campaign. They'd do it to Jesus himself if he came down to earth and ran for President under the Dem party nomination.
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lumpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 07:20 PM
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92. The Pubs used up all of their Gore 'lies' ammo last time around.
What new 'lies' would they be able to come up with in 2004 ? Since Gore gleaned the pop vote last election, he should gain even more votes with all the WMD lies, lie lies, economic/ diplomatics disasters committed by Bushco. And Bushco's tenure isn't even finished.
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 05:21 AM
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33. Gore would bury Dean first, and then Bush. Afterall,...
the objective is to nominate the best candidate to bury bush, isn't it?
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NotesFromAnIntrovert Donating Member (18 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 03:26 AM
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13. I'm all for Gore jumping back in.
Edited on Wed Jul-30-03 03:32 AM by NotesFromAnIntrovert
'Cause, honestly, I have yet to get excited over any of the 9 we have running as of now. These are good, qualified, men (and I'm certain I'll vote for whoever gets the nomination), but I'm not invested in any of them -- maybe that's just me :shrug: .
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sweetheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 03:35 AM
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17. President Gore should run
He should do it. I wish he would. He would win, and in that victory reverse 4 years of perverted hatred that has loomed over america like a cloud... and the world for that matter.

Honourable Mr. Gore

You are my president no matter what you do... but i really wish you would run. Surely i could write lots of flowery prose to sell it... but no.

You know in your heart, Mr. Gore. It is the good fight and the right fight. Please.

Sincerely yours,

-sweetheart
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uhhuh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 03:49 AM
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22. If he does, His slogan should be
Re-elect President Gore!!!
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shatoga Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 04:11 AM
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25. America deserves an honest vote count!
The only question with Gore in the race would be:
"Can Gore beat Bush again?"

But the question should be:
"Can we force an honest vote count?"

Arguement for recounting votes:

Next time you shop;
Hand hour money to the cashier and demand they just take your word for how much you gave them.

The cashier will, of course, recount the money.

If any count is honest,
it will come out the same no matter how many times repeated!

The only reason to prevent a recount is to keep fraud from being exposed.


Go ahead:
Suggest to conservatives that they try to pay a sashier and demand that the money not be recounted.

the simple logic above shows the extreme court was covering up Bush campaign fraud in 2000.




No matter what standard had been chosen,
a recount would have been fair to all sides:
dimpled chad for Bush, dimpled chad for Gore;
hanging chad for Bush, hanging chad for Gore;

The whole world was watching!

Fraud was either already committed, and would have been exposed, or the many watchers would have caught it?

No!
Military absentee ballots weren't postmarked and dated;
because most of those votes were cast after the election!

Bush will not conduict an honest election.

We need Gore to win by a large majority.
Not a relative unknown to lose a close election to rampant fraud.





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Tom Kitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 04:06 AM
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24. I don't think Gore will run...
I mean, he SHOULD be our current President, but that and a C-Note will give you you a fill-up for your Hummer...

But the man is smart, he said he wouldn't run, why should he change his mind and provide the lazy ass media whores ample opportunity to dig through their morgues and resurrect their old arguments against him? I mean Clinton, Internet, Love Canal, Love Story, etc...

I mean you'd might as well just hand the media whores a docket full of Karl Rove talking points! Unfair to Gore HELL YES but whatcha gonna do about it? What can you do about it except maybe float the idea...which is what I would suggest before anything else...

But honestly, times have changed since 9-11 and I do think we need new people, which is why I have hope for the Democrats...

To be honest, I hope Clark runs, (not that I have anything against the other Dems except Lieberman and Gephardt), it's just that I think he'd win in a landslide.

And please excuse my naivity, I'm a newbie but I have passion, I am relly pissed off at the state of our nation and I want change!
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 04:21 AM
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26. Tin Foil Hat Time...
Gore isn't necessarily the greatest guy. Read up on what Greg Palast has written about him in The Best Democracy Money Can Buy.

Hint: he helped make a mess with the FCC rules in 1996, which led to even worse corporate consolidation.

He won, but I'm not so certain he's not one of the elite running the show in some way.

</tinfoilhat>
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knowledgeispower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 05:14 PM
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78. If he was, there wouldn't have been the court battles
Edited on Wed Jul-30-03 05:15 PM by knowledgeispower
It gave the impression that Bush's presidency was illegitimate (which it is). If he was really one of the proverbial guys in the smoky room, he would not have done that.
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bowens43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 04:34 AM
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27. Let's hope he has the good sense to stay out.
You can bet that karl rove is hoping gore will run.
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 05:14 AM
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31. The DNC is desperate. They are scared to death of Dean...
which I wholeheartedly understand. Too bad they didn't think about a possible Dean nomination when they kicked Gore to the curb.
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chimpymustgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 05:47 AM
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34. Gore could unite ALL Democrats. It would be exhilarating!
We could all get behind him, put all the energy, all the money, all the pent up anger and frustration - and not only get justice, but get America back on track.
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NicRic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 07:40 AM
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41. I'll double that!!!!
I,ve been saying this since the getting over the shock of Gore not running ,that he would be a uniting force so badly needed in the Dem party ! The old Gore is a bore B/S wont fly this time .He has the exprience the American people are looking for ! Gore won in 2000, and the margin of his win in 2004 would make stealing a second time much harder. Gore has the widest support accross the board ,and him not running ,I felt was a big mistake ,that hopefully this post is correct in it will change in the fall ! Re-Elect GORE 2004 !!!!
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Liberal_Andy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 07:49 AM
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46. Gore/Edwards!
Maybe he'll get it right this time.
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knowledgeispower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 05:17 PM
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79. I won't vote for a DLCer
Which Edwards is.
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TheDonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 06:04 PM
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88. Sorry Gore, but no more.
I was 100% behind Gore (a little worried about his VP choice).

But it is too late, Gore said he wouldn't and I doubt he will. If he does reconsider I'd suggest him not too. Not only will it look bad he went against his word, he also has not been out there since 2000. If gore would of continued to speak out against Bush, do PR events like SNL, and keep himself active then I might reconsider.

It's time to let one of the 9 democratic Dream team to see how to beat Bush. Gore had his chance and just narrowly won, let's hope these guys and girl will have even better success.
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 07:46 AM
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44. this was my initial reaction/thought as well.
Of course I like BOTH as candidates. But I have vowed to remain undecided/undeclared because it is far, far too early in the primary season - and there are a few folks I am just getting to know.

I am not saying that this is what happened (DNC OR more likely DLC folks are getting antsy with the Dean popularity and prefer the known rather than the unknown, and encourage Gore to get back in) - but it was my first thought.
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tinanator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 08:08 AM
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48. Gore vs Dean
I'd give Gore MUCH higher marks than Dean on issues and rhetoric. What makes you think the "DNC" has it in for the secretive Vermonter?
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Samantha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 06:09 AM
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36. You have made my day by posting this
I belong to draftGore and made a pledge to contribute if he jumps back in. It would be the best money I have ever spent -- to contribute to Gore in 2004.

I saw a poll that 74 percent of Dems would vote for Gore in 2004. His popularity among the base is unquestioned. Not that we don't have other Dems who I respect, but no one, and I mean no one, can touch Gore.

As for the remarks about the media having a field day, who cares about the media. It's already disgraced itself. We also have news venues available now that were not available in 2000 -- the presence of the BBC in America, the rise in popularity of the internet for news, all we would need would be for one cable news network to give us fair and even coverage.

Gore/Graham
Gore/Clark
Gore/Rangel**** a really hot ticket that would bring the party back together.
Gore/Dean

The possibilities are unlimited.

Gore is the medicine this country needs to heal its wounds and to get back its reputation with the rest of the world. I think you would see huge support for Al Gore for president in 2004 not just domestically, but internationally as well.
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 07:17 AM
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39. You forgot, Gore/Richardson...
Richardson would be a kick-ass VP pick too.
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 08:10 AM
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49. Notably missing is...
Gore/Lieberman... (not surprisingly given how Lieberman has bashed the Gore campaign strategy, I believe)
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ShimokitaJer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 09:15 AM
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58. The Gore campaign strategy deserved bashing...
especially the decision to make Lieberman the running mate. If Gore can avoid the DLC's assinine "try not to let people know you're a Democrat" strategy and just speak his mind instead, I'd say he has a pretty good shot.
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 06:29 PM
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91. Hot diggity-dog! Gore /RANGEL? That would be terrific!
Any of those four would be wonderful, but I hadn't thought of Charlie Rangel. And he's terrific - what a triumph that would be! Let the rethugs go ahead and flirt with race-baiting! That would turn 'em on their fat-headed fascistic ears!

For now, I'm still Keen on Dean, but I'd go back to the Gore camp if he stepped in. Gore/Kerry wouldn't be too bad, I suppose - imagine TWO Vietnam vets against two Major League Chickenhawks!

Frankly any and all of these thoughts are truly delicious!
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ObaMania Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 06:22 AM
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37. YEAH!!!
Gore/Clark in '04

I can dream, can't I?

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dusty64 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 06:47 AM
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38. This doesn't make
Edited on Wed Jul-30-03 06:47 AM by dusty64
sense. Why would he drop out allowing others to raise $$$$$ and become better known to the public only to get back in almost a year later. If he had doubts he would have still been out there loudly opposing our regime (like he did last year). He IS my President, but I'm not buying it. If he was to pull something like this the rovian media would eat him alive as indecisive.
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trumad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 07:27 AM
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40. Here we go again
with the gang who spouts Gore blew it in 2000 and Gore has to much baggage. This gang is severely dumb when they make these comments. NO..not dumb! Stupid!
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BiggJawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 07:44 AM
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43. He needs to look at the campaign of Ross Perot.
This "No I'm not, oh yes I am" back and forth is not going to work for him.

He announced he's not running this cycle, I rspect that, and I hope he stays out, if only to preserve his credibility.

You folks hanging in Limbo waiting for Al to come floating in on a cloud need to get a grip and look for a Champion amongst those already getting their noses bloody.
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tinanator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 08:07 AM
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47. who's got a bloody nose?
He isnt Ross Perot, so why try to extrapolate from that whacko and his "just add water" followers? I will have more respect for Gore if he bypasses all this preprimary horse racing and jumps back in at the last minute. Theres a lot to be said for that. But then, look how many around here despise him? Odd species.
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corarose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 07:46 AM
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45. Gore/Dean, Gore/Kerry, Gore/ Well hell anybody that's Democratic
I am using Jr's words here.

Bring them on!
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Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 08:20 AM
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51. I'm so disappointed in many of the responses on this thread...
...and it reminds me that we no longer live in or care about democracy.

- I wonder how many of you understand the implication of an elected president not being allowed to take office?

- Other DUers talk about how Gore shouldn't run because the media would treat him badly. Well...I've got some bad news for you...they'll treat ANY frontrunner Dem that way.

- Gore has been tested by fire and still came out a winner. It's amazing that many Dems still don't seem to understand that Gore got more votes than any other Dem in history...demonstrating his wide appeal across the spectrum on the left.

- I think the party OWES Gore another shot in the name of fairness and...democracy.
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ArkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 08:57 AM
Response to Reply #51
55. If we don't live in a democracy why are we having an
election?
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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 09:39 AM
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67. Don't be silly, it’s how the government subsidizes Diebold Corporation
:shrug:
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ShimokitaJer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 09:18 AM
Response to Reply #51
59. "Gore got more votes than any other Dem in history" ?
What do you mean? Do you mean more total votes? Highest percentage of American public?

He certainly didn't get a higher percentage of those who voted or he'd be President, Florida or no Florida.
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corarose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 09:23 AM
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62. Jr won the selection illegally and he did not get more votes
Take you head out of the sand and start learning something.
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ShimokitaJer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 09:28 AM
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64. I don't debate that he got more votes than Bush
I'm asking how Q can suggest that "Gore got more votes than any other Dem in history"

Can you explain it, or would you rather insult me again?
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rabid_nerd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 09:41 AM
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68. Are you the guy who came out of the 20 year coma?
Gore received over half a million more votes than Bush, and received the most votes of any candidate for President in history except for Ronald Reagan in 1984.

He exceeded the vote total for either of the Clinton/Gore runs.

He received more votes than any candidate, Republican OR Democrat, except Reagan in 84.
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ShimokitaJer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 10:17 AM
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73. And how is this meaningful?
No offense, but Bush also got more votes in 2000 than any Democratic candidate in history and any Republican candidate except Reagan in 1984. Does that mean that he will do so again?

Gore's total number of votes in 2000 exceeded any Clinton/Gore total, but his percentage of the vote didn't beat Clinton/Gore's 1996 total. When more people vote, you have a higher number of total votes for both candidates.

So how is this meaningful? Are you saying that Gore has the power to motivate more voters to come to the polls? If so, I think the nature of a close race did more toward that end.

Yes, Gore should have won election 2000, but I don't see how meaningless talking points are supposed to convince me he could win election 2004.
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masslib Donating Member (555 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 06:15 PM
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89. You're right. Gore did get more votes but the fact that he
got more votes than any other Dem in history is fairly meaningless. It just means the population continues to grow, there wasn't an increase in the percentage of people who voted.

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corarose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 09:24 AM
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63. Jr won the selection illegally and he did not get more votes
Take you head out of the sand and start learning something.
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GOPBasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 09:20 AM
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60. "they'll treat ANY frontrunner Dem that way"
Amen to that! The right wing media doesn't care who the Dem nominee is, they'll smear him or her.
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mlawson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 05:24 PM
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84. But some Dems have TEFLON, and some do not.
Of course the media whores will go after our nominee with hammer and tongs. So, we must have one to which the mud, lies and innuendo will not STICK!

Is that Al Gore??? It was Bill Clinton...
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corarose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 09:21 AM
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61. Your right the fake media will tear ANY Democratic front runner apart
Doesn't matter who runs they are going to tear them to shreds and they will make Jr look like the chosen one.

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LiberalLibra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 08:23 AM
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52. If Gore picked Clark as a VP they would run away with the election.....
....oh, this is the best dam news I've heard in a long long time. :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:
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Art_from_Ark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 09:39 AM
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66. Al Gore's the one
Edited on Wed Jul-30-03 09:41 AM by Art_from_Ark
Gore/Clark sounds great to me!

Then we could REALLY bring honor and dignity back to the White House!

Go Al!
:dem::dem::dem::dem::dem::dem::dem::dem:
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LiberalLibra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 10:02 AM
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72. YOU GOT THAT RIGHT!!!!!
:bounce:
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 08:25 AM
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53. Unless Clark Gets In
Edited on Wed Jul-30-03 08:32 AM by DemocratSinceBirth
Gore would be our strongest candidate. Sure he has baggage but so do all the other candidates. Not enough time to catalogue them all.

America loves an underdog.

Look at Rocky.

He was victorious in the rematch.

He cleaned Apollo Creed's clock.
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samsingh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 08:55 AM
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54. i love Gore
it would be great if he reentered. i can imagine him in the debates again.
'Now George let's try this again and stop lying about being a moderate'.

'President Gore's message about fighting for us will have a lot more traction with the public this time'.

'An intelligent President again whoo hoo. '
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whoYaCallinAlib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 09:02 AM
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56. I have to agree with you.
Gore will mop the floor with Bush's ass during the next round of debates. Something I wish he had done last election cycle.
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chimpymustgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 09:36 AM
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65. And don't forget the Greens who will come home.
Most of them have seen the error of their ways - and they know they owe Gore their vote this time.
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election_2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 04:25 PM
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74. oh puh-leaze!
That is one of the most ignorant statements imaginable. No one "owes" Gore or any other candidate their vote, and until Democrats realize that, the Democratic Party will be continued to be viewed as elitist and out-of-touch.
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knowledgeispower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 05:19 PM
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81. Amen
You gotta prove you are worthy of my vote. Gore was, but as far as I am concerned Lieberman, Kerry, Edwards, and possible Graham are not.
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lumpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 04:45 PM
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75. Happily I'd support Gore
Please please please He is an educated scholar, experienced and is sooooo sane compared to any Repub that I can think of.
He would have a tough row trying to clean up the manure spread around the world by the Bushco bunch, but I'm confident he would try to do the right thing. Damn we need some fresh air !
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RummyTheDummy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 05:22 PM
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82. Let's hope so.....
Edited on Wed Jul-30-03 05:22 PM by RummyTheDummy
None of the 9 announced canidates do a damned thing for me. And judging from the now infamous 69 percent of dems think Bush will be re-elected poll, they don't do anything for the non DU populace either.
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Jackson4Gore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 05:23 PM
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83. Gore is the ONLY HOPE!
What about that cant you guys see? It may be all "cool" to have your "own" candidate such as Dean or Kucinich, but they CAN NOT win. Gore has proven he can win. Gore can use Bush's record against him and run on his record this time while pointing out Bush's failures. I would laugh if Bush would resort to the INTERNET quote. The Gore campaign would blow them out of the water if they did that with Bush's Iraq lies!

Get behind GORE!
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Wonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 05:44 PM
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86. Way to bash the nine legitimate candidates who are actually running. nt
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Jackson4Gore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 05:47 PM
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87. Uh that was the point NT
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RedEagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 06:18 PM
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90. Gore's baggage
Gore could have fought the legal battle better.

Gore quit giving the Bush administration all kinds of heck this year. Why did he quit?

Can Gore overcome the Palast information?

Why did Gore pick Lieberman? When Lieverman sat next to Lynn Cheney and advocated with here, effectively, censorhip, I wanted to throw up.
Tell my why Gore would parnter with such a guy? Haven't Dems learned by now that you need an advocate, not just someone with clout with a particular minority or region?

That said, if you're going to pair someone with Gore, AND win the Greens back, then do it with Kucinich.


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