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Mountainman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 12:34 AM
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Coporations consider themselves international citizens why doesn't labor?
Edited on Fri Jan-16-04 12:35 AM by Mountainman
The workers of the world need to form international unions and support organizations.

Corporations are playing us against each other forcing the standard of living of all of us down. The answer is the uniting of labor all over the world. There needs to be minimum labor standards such as no child or cheap prison labor, living wages world wide, environmental protections and housing.

Think about this, what if there was a worldwide strike by all IT people? What if the cost of labor in India was comparable to the cost of labor here? The work then should go to the most qualified, not the lowest paid.
The international organization of Information Technologists and the International Union of electrical engineers, mechanical engineers, chemical engineers and so on.

It is not enough to try to force U S companies to stop sending jobs overseas. We need to be the best trained and most professional and productive workers in the world of equality of wages so that work comes here because it is done best here.

Ok, dream time is over, back to the business of making the U S a third world country/
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srpantalonas Donating Member (372 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 12:37 AM
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1. Labor already does
EOM
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WhoCountsTheVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 01:12 AM
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7. the organizations aren't strong enough
they international labor organizations are either tiny, or mostly informal. The multinational corporations are tight knit and well connected. We have a lot of catching up to do, and internationalizing is the only way, period.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 12:38 AM
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2. I agree and it will probably be the second step to what will eventually
be a global government. The first step was business becoming global, now the work force will have to follow and unionize, or most of the people of the world are going to be nothing more than disposable worker ants for a few drones and queens.
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camero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 12:43 AM
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3. Nah, corporations should be limited to their states
Since they are seen as persons under the law, shouldn't they be beholden to the state where they get their protection?

Global government kind of scares me when I realize just who could be running a global government. Believe me, it ain't going to be us.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 12:46 AM
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4. What should be and what actually is, are two different things.
I'm afraid the genie is out of the bottle and won't go back in. We have to keep up or become slaves in a new world order.
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camero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 12:55 AM
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6. It'll go back in
When we get the cojones to put our foot down on these corps. And put the leaders in jail when they commit crimes or take thier booty away when they don't operate in the public interest.

What if Bush became the leader of this global government? Or Jeb?
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 01:19 AM
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9. They couldn't. No one person can. It would have to be a body of
leaders like a Congress of nations, because one person can't do it. Alexander the Great tried, Augustus tried, Napoleon tried and Queen Victoria tried and none have succeeded. One person can't do it, but a congress can. I would hate to see it happen too, but if the train is headed in that direction, we the common people have to protect ourselves and unions are one of the ways.
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camero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 01:24 AM
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10. You better be prepared to live with that
When the danger of world wide totalitarianism rears its ugly head. Because any government can become that. Even a worldwide one.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 01:30 AM
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11. It only has to be totalitarian if we let it be.
If we don't admit that it's happening, then they will take over. We can fight it at a local level, but I do think world labor unions are an idea that has come, or you can sit back and watch your jobs ebb overseas to people, who up till now have been so poor, that to them your job they are willing to work at for a third of the pay seems like a good paying job.
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camero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 01:38 AM
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12. We have to fight for ourselves first
Before we can help anyone else. If we can't win here, they will make us work for slave wages and take our jobs anyway.

World government is another utopian vision.
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pnorman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 12:49 AM
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5. The IWW proudly proclaimed to stand for the "Workers of the World"
Edited on Fri Jan-16-04 01:06 AM by pnorman
They also said: "The workingman has no country." For that they were brutally clubbed, jailed and lynched. But if Trans-National Corporate America can get away with it, it may be time to reconsider that concept.

pnorman
STAND UP, KEEP FIGHTING http://shows.implex.tv/wellstone/
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WhoCountsTheVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 01:14 AM
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8. heh, the wobblys - iww.org
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 07:29 AM
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13. International unions will never work.
Developing countries rely on poverty for their source of cheap labor. From lawn workers to factory workers, the upper class relies on near-slave labor to sustain their high standard of living. Truthfully, it's not just the upper class.

Just to give you an idea of how difficult it will be to do, imagine what would happen in Miami if all working women were investigated to find out who is minding their children while the moms work their 9 to 5 office hours. It would shake the foundation of our society.
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WhoCountsTheVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 08:15 PM
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14. how so?
Your claim in the title seems hardly related to the content of your posts?
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-18-04 05:28 PM
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16. Graft would destroy the unions
lickety-split.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 08:20 PM
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15. Other countries have managed to have state run day care.
The workers or teachers are well paid and well trained. The children are safe and well cared for. We could do this here and anywhere in the world if we take back our democracies.
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sweetheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-18-04 05:36 PM
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17. labour should be free to cross borders like kapital
Then the situation will be fair. How some asshole gave dollar bills rights that human beings can't have is anyone's ignorance.

The world outside US borders is not some bugbear, rather quite the reverse. Global government as it is today, is certainly wiser than anything going on in washington.

Forget unions, let labour identify as being citizens of the world taking their goodwill to any nation that will have them. Free flow of labour will do exactly as you imply.
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-18-04 07:38 PM
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18. It already does....
but as a whole it does not have the financial or human resources to compete with corporations.

This link Global Unions has the unions that represent international/national unions all over the world.

UAW is also a member of both the AFL-CIO which represents most of the unions in the United States and of the IMF—International Metal Workers' Federation.
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