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TomClash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 12:19 PM
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NYT - Friendman - "Postcards From Iraq" - Is this guy at all relevant?
I always liked his work though I thought he was a bit too pro-Israel. Now, he just seems irrelevant. It's like his pieces are written at some exurb McDonalds after a visit to the local Winn Dixie. Does he really expect the troops to tell him what they really believe?

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The other scene was a briefing by Lt. Gen. John Sattler, the Marine commander in Falluja. General Sattler was explaining how well the Marines, Army, Air Force and Navy Seabees had worked together in Falluja as a combined task force. As General Sattler was speaking, I looked around at the assembled soldiers in the room. It was a Noah's Ark of Americans: African-Americans and whites, Hispanic Americans and Asians, and men and women I am sure of every faith. The fact that we can take for granted the trust among so many different ethnic groups, united by the idea of America - and that the biggest rivalry between our Army and Navy is a football game - is the miracle of America. That miracle, and its importance, hits you in the face in Iraq when someone tells you that the "new" Iraqi police unit in a village near Falluja is staffed by one Iraqi tribe and the "new" National Guard unit is staffed by another tribe and they are constantly clashing.

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Cultures can change, though. But it takes time. And, be advised, it is going to take years to produce a decent outcome in Iraq. But every time I think this can't work, I come across something that suggests, who knows, maybe this time the play will end differently. The headlines last week were all about Falluja. But maybe the most important story in Iraq was the fact that while Falluja was exploding, 106 Iraqi parties and individuals registered to run in the January election. And maybe the second most important story is the relatively quiet way in which Iraqis, and the Arab world, accepted the U.S. invasion of Falluja. The insurgents there had murdered hundreds of Iraqi Muslims in recent months, and, I think, they lost a lot of sympathy from the Arab street. (But if we don't get the economy going on the Iraqi street, what the rest of the Arab world thinks will be of no help.)

Readers regularly ask me when I will throw in the towel on Iraq. I will be guided by the U.S. Army and Marine grunts on the ground. They see Iraq close up. Most of those you talk to are so uncynical - so convinced that we are doing good and doing right, even though they too are unsure it will work. When a majority of those grunts tell us that they are no longer willing to risk their lives to go out and fix the sewers in Sadr City or teach democracy at a local school, then you can stick a fork in this one. But so far, we ain't there yet. The troops are still pretty positive.

So let's thank God for what's in our drinking water, hope that maybe some of it washes over Iraq, and pay attention to the grunts. They'll tell us if it's time to go or stay.

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/11/21/opinion/21friedman.html?oref=login

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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 12:20 PM
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1. Answer to your Q: No.
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Paradise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 12:51 PM
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4. Lining up behind "No"! n/t
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cornermouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 12:22 PM
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2. Does he really expect us to believe that he
actually talks to real grunts on the ground? I don't.
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Maven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 12:25 PM
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3. Read today's LTTE. Encapsulates readers' incredulity at his views
Clearly he's in http://nytimes.com/2004/11/21/opinion/l21friedman.html">la-la-land. :eyes:
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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 02:14 PM
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5. Bad link, try this:
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Maven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 02:44 PM
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6. Woops! Sorry about that, thanks for the fix. :) n/t
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